Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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luthervol said:
Maybe it's not the goal to take your guns. Maybe Berry wasn't what right wing media portrayed him to be. Maybe many dems. are also in the pocket of the NRA.

Maybe a combination of the three.
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Why didn't they do anything? No increased background checks no banning certain weapons. Nothing
 
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hog88 said:
Like actual root causes? How about we start with them instead of bans or more ineffective regulation?
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The root causes are being addressed. Usually not in a way that makes the right happy. Guns will continue to be one of the variables to be considered. The whole "you can pry it out of my cold dead hands" resistance is going to be counterproductive to your cause in the long run.....which is turning into a short run.
 
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Grand Vol said:
One can make it more secure without having to make it into a "fortress" so to speak. Common sense security measures are simple and generally inexpensive along with a good plan in case it does happen. Door alarms and camera monitoring on remote doors would be highly beneficial...

As long as someone is monitoring it.

I don't subscribe to the militarization nonsense. Zep keeps bringing that up and it's still not relevant. As well as being quite ignorant to be honest.
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No one seems to have a problem with it until they come for you.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
A business with 3k employees on a large campus would have way more than one security guard.
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A business makes money. A school costs money. You would have a hard time finding any school administrator who would not love to have the funding for additional security.
 
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luthervol said:
The root causes are being addressed. Usually not in a way that makes the right happy. Guns will continue to be one of the variables to be considered. The whole "you can pry it out of my cold dead hands" resistance is going to be counterproductive to your cause in the long run.....which is turning into a short run.
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They are? Can you provide us any information on what is being done?
 
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luthervol said:
Because of the other variables which have changed.
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Identify those variables.

Therein is where the problem lies.

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luthervol said:
A business makes money. A school costs money. You would have a hard time finding any school administrator who would not love to have the funding for additional security.
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Then they need to push their unions to push legislators to allow them to arm themselves
 
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lawgator1 said:
Any approach that omits an honest discussion of the merits of gun control -- at least in terms of creating ways to keep those who are mentally ill or depressed from buying one -- is worthless.

Not that we even consider band aid approaches, but that's not enough. Tourniquet time.
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I agree the open and honest discussion needs to be had.

Open and honest being key words here.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Following up on GV's point about more armed law enforcement officers on school campuses:

In fairness, it would be very expensive. So that is a consideration. And it would only protect schools, not movie theaters, churches, and concerts.
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Schools are mandatory to attend.

Movies, churches and concerts are optional events. Not saying they don't need protection, but it's a huge difference in wanting to go to a certain place and having to go.
 
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volfanjustin said:
My answer is they use the issue to rile up the base and fundraise and call the NRA and GOP names and try to scare the folks. Thats it, they really don't have a solution or even care to have one
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Both sides are guilty of this. The NRA and GOP are no different.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
No one seems to have a problem with it until they come for you.
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Kind of like the old joke about being paranoid.

Look, we can continue to stick our fingers in our ears and pretend it doesn't happen.

Or we can take some of the 99% of cops that don't cause trouble and help protect our children.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Kind of like the old joke about being paranoid.

Look, we can continue to stick our fingers in our ears and pretend it doesn't happen.

Or we can take some of the 99% of cops that don't cause trouble and help protect our children.
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There have been some good ideas in this thread. But this is not one of them. But I'll meet you halfway.

Increased funding for something you mentioned earlier: remote doors, CCTV of entrances, monitored by SROs. I'll add in metal detectors.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
There have been some good ideas in this thread. But this is not one of them. But I'll meet you halfway.

Increased funding for something you mentioned earlier: remote doors, CCTV of entrances, monitored by SROs. I'll add in metal detectors.
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Who monitors those metal detectors?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes, that's why they have school resource officers, who are licensed LEOs.

This guy evidently came to school and managed to get in carrying a gun. He's been a student there so he knew how to find a way in.

I hate the idea of turning schools into armed camps, but that may be the only option. And to get in you have to go through airport like security.
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I'm for stricter gun control, but so many won't even hear it.. How much would it cost to install bullet proof doors and windows and doors that lock from the inside?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
There have been some good ideas in this thread. But this is not one of them. But I'll meet you halfway.

Increased funding for something you mentioned earlier: remote doors, CCTV of entrances, monitored by SROs. I'll add in metal detectors.
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All good and reasonable ideas imo

We have metal detectors down here already in some of the rougher schools. If properly monitored, should at least give peace of mind that anyone IN the school will have no weapons. Then we can begin to figure out how to keep people OUT of the school once it starts.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
While I wish he would shut his his incessant gun grab rant I hope the mods leave him be because he has a right to his opinion and I think that would be unnecessary censorship.
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I realize what you are saying but he admitted several pages back he was posting to just piss people off and then get a laugh out of it. It's much like the d4h of gun bans. Doesn't know crap about what he is talking about but keeps throwing **** out until something sticks or someone responds. He is a troll. Understand who and what he is as well as his wife then you will understand his MO.
 
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luthervol said:
We have 42 public schools in the county. I'm not sure we have that many extra officers sitting on the side of the road waiting to write tickets. And the ones who are doing that, need to stay. You guys have made it a point hundreds of times that cars and accidents are a much bigger cause of fatalities. Many (most) of those due to speeding, texting while driving, etc... (you know, things that a cop on the side of the road would be looking for). If you want to raise taxes in order to hire more LEO's in order to put a couple of more in each school, I am 100% on board. It's the kind of thing I've been advocating for years.
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Where was it said traffic accidents were due to speeding? That was never mentioned. Making **** up again troll?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
Hire people. The TSA does it everyday.
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Yeah, I'm not sure I'd use the TSA as my example.

Look, I'm not opposed to the metal detector idea and it certainly can work. However, those things have to be monitored. It still doesn't and wouldn't absolve the need for armed guards. DTH and I had a discussion about this a few days ago. Private armed security is not the way to go and that's coming from someone who's company does that kind of work in other places.
 
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zeppelin128 said:
There have been some good ideas in this thread. But this is not one of them. But I'll meet you halfway.

Increased funding for something you mentioned earlier: remote doors, CCTV of entrances, monitored by SROs. I'll add in metal detectors.
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Which will do zip-squat-zilch for those kids when someone gets in, and get in they will, eventually.

GV had it right. Armed, trained security team. Sorry, but that's what it's going to take in the short-term.

If the Big Gun Grab started tomorrow, and it won't (sorry, Luther, but your fantasy does not reality make), it would literally take years to track them all down. Meanwhile, "Next nut job with a gun" sees the handwriting on the wall, and decides to accelerate his/her timeline. And in a month or two, we're right back here wringing our hands and arguing with one another about workable, and non-workable solutions.

It takes a gun to stop a gun. Preferably, a bigger gun than the one you're trying to stop. That simple. Those who have been there, done that, get it. And those who haven't, sadly, don't. It is what it is.

Okay, that yard ain't gonna mow itself, so.....
 
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