Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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luthervol said:
Reasonable people know it is not the only problem but part of a long list of problems. Anyone claiming otherwise has no credibility.

That's why I used the lifeboat with many leaks analogy. Address them all.
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Bull****.

Your first and only reaction was gun control.
 
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luthervol said:
Reasonable people know it is not the only problem but part of a long list of problems. Anyone claiming otherwise has no credibility.

That's why I used the lifeboat with many leaks analogy. Address them all.
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If easily available guns were a significant part of the problem why were these events a rarity when anyone could order a gun and have it delivered to their door?
 
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zeppelin128 said:
They won't be fortresses, they will be prisons. Further militarization of our police forces is not the answer. We already have SRO's in schools, and that has shown to not be effective.
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I believe there was 1 SRO in that school, you are right over 3000 students 1 SRO will not be very effective
 
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luthervol said:
I'll give you a few more openings to take some "shots."

How many times could you fire a traditional or typical deer rifle in a minute? When used for hunting, how many shots would you need to get off in a minute?

How many shots were fired in the FL school massacre and over how many minutes?

The point you are obviously making is that the deer rifle would have been just as deadly as the AR15 therefore the AR15 should not be banned. What your point says to me is that maybe what we are classifying as a "deer" rifle may need to be looked into.

Again, what would be a "reasonable" number of rounds for a deer rifle to fire per minute? (for normal hunting purposes)
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Oh boy, the resident genius is going to only let us use Black Powder and Archery. He claims no effect on 2A and then I'm not confiscating your guns and then wtf does he suggest doing.

STOP FEEDING THE TROLL.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Funny thing...

The very same people screeching for new gun control want to trust the very same Congress that has yet to act on the bump fire stocks the NRA stated needed to be reviewed:

NRA calls for review of bump stock rules - CNNPolitics

NRA | Joint Statement

And have they done anything? But this is Trump's fault? Your anger is sadly misplaced.
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No, no, no.

I completely agree with you that there are plenty of Democrats who are also owned by the NRA and have failed to act. Worse, have blocked common sense reforms.

It is my impression that with rare exception the entire GOP is in the NRA's pocket. Some more than others, e.g. Rubio getting $3 million from them. But I think you will be hard pressed to find more than ten GOP members of Congress who are not with the NRA on these issues.

As to the Dems, it seems likes its largely regional. Dems from the South in particular are also at fault here. Some from the midwest, too, and though rare if you find one from the western states you can count on them being NRA-backed as well, for the most part.

As to the NRA supporting review of rules or legislation, if they are, its because they've written it and its utter crap. They oppose anything effective, and a bill or regulation they support you can bet is a ruse to pretend to support something when in reality its a dodge.
 
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82_VOL_83 said:
GV, he is a troll. He has said as much in previous posts. I am waiting for Freak to realize this and cut him off for a couple of weeks.
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While I wish he would shut his his incessant gun grab rant I hope the mods leave him be because he has a right to his opinion and I think that would be unnecessary censorship.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Bull****.

Your first and only reaction was gun control.
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Any approach that omits an honest discussion of the merits of gun control -- at least in terms of creating ways to keep those who are mentally ill or depressed from buying one -- is worthless.

Not that we even consider band aid approaches, but that's not enough. Tourniquet time.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, no, no.

I completely agree with you that there are plenty of Democrats who are also owned by the NRA and have failed to act. Worse, have blocked common sense reforms.

It is my impression that with rare exception the entire GOP is in the NRA's pocket. Some more than others, e.g. Rubio getting $3 million from them. But I think you will be hard pressed to find more than ten GOP members of Congress who are not with the NRA on these issues.

As to the Dems, it seems likes its largely regional. Dems from the South in particular are also at fault here. Some from the midwest, too, and though rare if you find one from the western states you can count on them being NRA-backed as well, for the most part.

As to the NRA supporting review of rules or legislation, if they are, its because they've written it and its utter crap. They oppose anything effective, and a bill or regulation they support you can bet is a ruse to pretend to support something when in reality its a dodge.
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This. Anything supported by the NRA should be immediately assumed to be without teeth or effectiveness. Nothing they say can be trusted, and any legislation they support will be a feel good bill that does absolutely nothing.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
I hate the idea of making our schools fortresses.
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One can make it more secure without having to make it into a "fortress" so to speak. Common sense security measures are simple and generally inexpensive along with a good plan in case it does happen. Door alarms and camera monitoring on remote doors would be highly beneficial...

As long as someone is monitoring it.

I don't subscribe to the militarization nonsense. Zep keeps bringing that up and it's still not relevant. As well as being quite ignorant to be honest.
 
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Grand Vol said:
As if we don't have enough cops on the payroll as it is.

Would you rather those LEOs sit in traffic and pull you over for speeding?

Or.

Be placed in schools protecting our children?
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We have 42 public schools in the county. I'm not sure we have that many extra officers sitting on the side of the road waiting to write tickets. And the ones who are doing that, need to stay. You guys have made it a point hundreds of times that cars and accidents are a much bigger cause of fatalities. Many (most) of those due to speeding, texting while driving, etc... (you know, things that a cop on the side of the road would be looking for). If you want to raise taxes in order to hire more LEO's in order to put a couple of more in each school, I am 100% on board. It's the kind of thing I've been advocating for years.
 
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hog88 said:
If easily available guns were a significant part of the problem why were these events a rarity when anyone could order a gun and have it delivered to their door?
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Because of the other variables which have changed.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, no, no.

I completely agree with you that there are plenty of Democrats who are also owned by the NRA and have failed to act. Worse, have blocked common sense reforms.

It is my impression that with rare exception the entire GOP is in the NRA's pocket. Some more than others, e.g. Rubio getting $3 million from them. But I think you will be hard pressed to find more than ten GOP members of Congress who are not with the NRA on these issues.

As to the Dems, it seems likes its largely regional. Dems from the South in particular are also at fault here. Some from the midwest, too, and though rare if you find one from the western states you can count on them being NRA-backed as well, for the most part.

As to the NRA supporting review of rules or legislation, if they are, its because they've written it and its utter crap. They oppose anything effective, and a bill or regulation they support you can bet is a ruse to pretend to support something when in reality its a dodge.
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Kinda missed the point on this.

I was saying the same people screaming for Congress to act and blaming the NRA for obstruction seem to skip over the fact the NRA called for a review of these devices and Congress still hasn't acted.
 
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Grand Vol said:
One can make it more secure without having to make it into a "fortress" so to speak. Common sense security measures are simple and generally inexpensive along with a good plan in case it does happen. Door alarms and camera monitoring on remote doors would be highly beneficial...

As long as someone is monitoring it.

I don't subscribe to the militarization nonsense. Zep keeps bringing that up and it's still not relevant. As well as being quite ignorant to be honest.
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McSon violated his school entrance policy and he was seen on video. His school is new and already incorporates many of the ideas offered in this thread.
 
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Following up on GV's point about more armed law enforcement officers on school campuses:



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In fairness, it would be very expensive. So that is a consideration. And it would only protect schools, not movie theaters, churches, and concerts.
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, no, no.

I completely agree with you that there are plenty of Democrats who are also owned by the NRA and have failed to act. Worse, have blocked common sense reforms.

It is my impression that with rare exception the entire GOP is in the NRA's pocket. Some more than others, e.g. Rubio getting $3 million from them. But I think you will be hard pressed to find more than ten GOP members of Congress who are not with the NRA on these issues.

As to the Dems, it seems likes its largely regional. Dems from the South in particular are also at fault here. Some from the midwest, too, and though rare if you find one from the western states you can count on them being NRA-backed as well, for the most part.

As to the NRA supporting review of rules or legislation, if they are, its because they've written it and its utter crap. They oppose anything effective, and a bill or regulation they support you can bet is a ruse to pretend to support something when in reality its a dodge.
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Barry's first 2 years he had 60 votes in Senate and the House, why didn't they take our guns then?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Any approach that omits an honest discussion of the merits of gun control -- at least in terms of creating ways to keep those who are mentally ill or depressed from buying one -- is worthless.

Not that we even consider band aid approaches, but that's not enough. Tourniquet time.
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Ok let's start there and I'm with you. When you start with bans you lose any notion I have of cooperating.
 
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volfanjustin said:
Barry's first 2 years he had 60 votes in Senate and the House, why didn't they take our guns then?
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Maybe it's not the goal to take your guns. Maybe Berry wasn't what right wing media portrayed him to be. Maybe many dems. are also in the pocket of the NRA.

Maybe a combination of the three.
 
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