Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

[1972 Grad]

Children being murdered s funny to you?

Question for any of you pro assault weapon dimwits:

What pray tell do you need an AR15 with a bump stock and a 100 round magazine for exactly?!?!

I don't need or want one, but I don't need 5 cars and 3 houses either.

 

[NorthDallas40]

They have no answer. It's a personality flaw; borderline mental health issue.

You have no answer. We’ve proven that. Thus you attack the debater just as you did here, you try to shift burden of proof so we argue for you, and you make fallacious emotional logic arguments to try to find support of your points since you have no logic basis.

 

[luthervol]

Gates would be another Obama. Trump>Obama, therefore Trump>Gates.

Of course I feel you are 100% wrong, but that is obviously not provable.

I invite anyone to compare the past 20 years of the lives of Trump and Gates. What they do, how they live, what they do with their money, their views of humanity and its future. If you do that and say "I pick Trump", then nothing more need be said. Maybe plan a 20 day journey into the wilderness where you fast in isolation and reflect.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Of course I feel you are 100% wrong, but that is obviously not provable.

I invite anyone to compare the past 20 years of the lives of Trump and Gates. What they do, how they live, what they do with their money, their views of humanity and its future. If you do that and say "I pick Trump", then nothing more need be said. Maybe plan a 20 day journey into the wilderness where you fast in isolation and reflect.

Why would you want to waste a philanthropist like Gates on the presidency? It's like the people who want Peyton to coach the football team.

 

[ACvol3]

Wouldn’t have happened if alcohol was banned

Lol u wanna bet?

 

[luthervol]

Why would you want to waste a philanthropist like Gates on the presidency? It's like the people who want Peyton to coach the football team.

Because he is exactly what we need in a president.

also:


Seems as if the Russian troll factories are all in on the pro gun side. Interesting.

 

[tumscalcium]

Lol u wanna bet?

Ha

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Because he is exactly what we need in a president.

also:


Seems as if the Russian troll factories are all in on the pro gun side. Interesting.

Not really. They're into **** stirring, and in order to stir sufficient **** you need well balanced positions. Every MSM outlet is going to be anti gun, so they're pitching in to counterbalance and distract. Russia isn't a big fan of its populace having guns.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Currently watching a Dateline where two convicted sex offenders murdered at least 5 prostitutes while hanging out together. They interviewed one of the guys and he said it was the state's fault this happened, because the law says they weren't supposed to be in contact with each other. But why didn't they obey the law? Why didn't the law prevent them from doing it?

 

[luthervol]

Not really. They're into **** stirring, and in order to stir sufficient **** you need well balanced positions. Every MSM outlet is going to be anti gun, so they're pitching in to counterbalance and distract. Russia isn't a big fan of its populace having guns.

To bad Trump's love affair with all things Russian doesn't extend to one of the few things Russia has right.

 

[luthervol]

Currently watching a Dateline where two convicted sex offenders murdered at least 5 prostitutes while hanging out together. They interviewed one of the guys and he said it was the state's fault this happened, because the law says they weren't supposed to be in contact with each other. But why didn't they obey the law? Why didn't the law prevent them from doing it?

Are you saying we shouldn't have restraining orders because they are sometimes ignored?

 

[GroverCleveland]

The problem with what you wrote is this: You have nailed who luther is; an ignorant leftist caught up in emotion of the moment.

The real danger however is the elite leftists that are hell bent on destruction and theft of success in America. That theft cannot be obtained until the populace is both disarmed and docile. Luther doesn't see the obvious. He sees the headlines and nothing more.

The only thing I disagree with you on is I do not think luther is that shallow. I think he knows precisely what he wants, but knows better than to be honest about it. And that is why we get crap about "common sense gun laws" and "reasonable" regulation.

 

[DancingOutlaw]

Are you saying we shouldn't have restraining orders because they are sometimes ignored?

I'm saying it's weird how people know the law forbids something and they do it anyways. You have in your head that just one more law, one more restriction, one more ban will solve the problem. We have laws on laws on laws, the fact of the matter is if someone wants to do harm to someone else they will find a way to do it. They've already rationalized the decision in their head and decided the consequences are worth the results.

If I knew anyone getting a restraining order or order of protection, I would tell them save their time and get a gun. Because when the ex shows up to kill you, the piece of paper won't do much.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Are you saying we shouldn't have restraining orders because they are sometimes ignored?

No he’s saying criminals don’t obey laws or have accountability so stop trying to punish law abiding citizens further over what criminals are already doing with regard to current laws and regulations. That’s stupid.

 

[NorthDallas40]

The only thing I disagree with you on is I do not think luther is that shallow. I think he knows precisely what he wants, but knows better than to be honest about it. And that is why we get crap about "common sense gun laws" and "reasonable" regulation.

Be careful about giving Luther too much credit. The only way I see that holds water is if Luther is actually some far right extremely religious person who owns 100 guns at least 3 of which require FFL tax stamps and which he has legally complied. And he is just sitting in his man cave with 30 dead animals on the walls giggling his troll butt off in the worlds most epic troll. In the absence of that I’m gonna go with nah he’s just not very intelligent on his debating points.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Arguments like this are crazy while students are at risk. This needs to be taken seriously and steps need to be taken when school opens next week. Something radical and immediate like, Parents in the Parking Lot, unarmed but checking everyone going and coming into the school. One 8 hour shift per parent each month would get the job done. Once they are protected then we can discuss/debate long term solutions.

So what happens when said parent encounters someone in the parking lot with a firearm? Momma gonna blow a rape whistle?

This is the dumbest thing I've read in the last 2 mins..

 

[GroverCleveland]

21 year old purchase age.
That type of weapon would be illegal to purchase.
Anyone making "terroristic/racist" type threats would not be allowed to purchase weapons.
Anyone expelled from a public school would not be allowed to purchase weapons for five years.
Any child on any type of medication for behavioral/emotional issues for greater than a six month period can not purchase a gun before the age of 25 and only after thorough background check and psychiatric evaluation.

Other than the ban on "that type of weapon," these ideas have merit for discussion.

 

[NorthDallas40]

So what happens when said parent encounters someone in the parking lot with a firearm? Momma gonna blow a rape whistle?

This is the dumbest thing I've read in the last 2 mins..

I think he gets credit for dropping the whole ban dialog and at least pivoting to active protection of the schools. I think that’s a very good idea that deserves debate.

 

[SLICKYINC]

I think he gets credit for dropping the whole ban dialog and at least pivoting to active protection of the schools. I think that’s a very good idea that deserves debate.

Thats a weak idea. How about if our government stopped paying Planned Parenthood and use that money for security at schools. You know because of the kids..

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Only a little. The fact that it was illegal was a great deterrent.

But


You


Still


Broke


the


Law.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Thats a weak idea. How about if our government stopped paying Planned Parenthood and use that money for security at schools. You know because of the kids..

I don’t like the implementation either. I can see where if a situation does develop it would escalate quickly. and probably end badly. But I do like the fact that the focus in thinking is on the schools and how to actively protect them. That’s all.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

As a Monday morning quarterback, they should have gone in and shot him.

PreCrime Division

 

[GroverCleveland]

Be careful about giving Luther too much credit. The only way I see that holds water is if Luther is actually some far right extremely religious person who owns 100 guns at least 3 of which require FFL tax stamps and which he has legally complied. And he is just sitting in his man cave with 30 dead animals on the walls giggling his troll butt off in the worlds most epic troll. In the absence of that I’m gonna go with nah he’s just not very intelligent on his debating points.

OK. I will concede the point. 😂

 

[Bjorn_Yesterday]

I think he gets credit for dropping the whole ban dialog and at least pivoting to active protection of the schools. I think that’s a very good idea that deserves debate.

It's bull**** that we have to consider armed l.e.o protection at every school. I mean, the very idea that school shootings are so bad in this country that one SRO just cant get the job done...maddening.

We've got cultural problems, societal problems, and of course, policy problems. No cooperation from the NRA crowd here, just "muh wild hawg huntin'" and "muh insurrection!"

 

[lawgator1]

A) so you know that’s a logically fallacy in positing a possible outcome as reason for change now ( longer length of ban). With you background I know you have training in this

B) all I can see you would be eluding to here is revoking the 2nd amendment? A complete reversal of right to bear arms? If I am mistaken what is your premise.

Ideally it would come to be realized that it is a complete myth that there are absolutely no gun restrictions under the Second Amendment.

There are already age restrictions.

We don't allow convicted felons to have them.

There are background checks in legitimate purchases.

So it's just a question of degree. Reasonable restrictions are allowed. Why people insist the right is abridged by, for example requiring training and a more thorough background check than what we have now, is sophistry.