Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

[SpaceCoastVol]

Using Wikipedia for anything is lazy.

fyp

 

[Grand Vol]

You’re learning lol

That's fairly judgmental.

I think we need to go to an arbitrator for a ruling.

 

[Orangedogsrule]

DTH makes two statements I'll call arguments Aa and Ab.

Originally Posted by DEFENDTHISHOUSE:
(Aa) Laws and regulations only hurt the law abiding. (Ab) Criminals DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW!

To which you replied

That is such a tired, overused, and juvenile argument'

The rebuttal is so obvious, I can't bring myself to make it.

So I challenged you to make the argument anyway,

Originally Posted by Orangedogsrule:
Oh come on Luther...I, and I'm sure several others, have never heard a solidly made defenseable argument for how criminals will not be able to get guns just like law abiding citizens who won't break the law to get one.

Do it Luther. Take your time and give it your best shot. Otherwise, you're just a ballon full of hot air ready for anyone on the thread to prick and we all get to watch the pop.

Now you backpedal, saying...

No one will make that argument because no one is idiotic enough to believe that we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals.

Think about what you just did Luther. You respond to argument Ab saying 1st: It's tired, overused, and juvenile with an obvious rebuttal. Then you say "No one will make the argument..."

What reasonable people know and understand is that we can lessen the number and types of guns that are getting into the hands of criminals. That is an outcome that REASONABLE people support.

Here, ^^^, you simply fall head over heels into the "No real Scottsman" logical fallacy.


POP

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Then I guess we need to abolish the 2nd Amendment entirely, hire way more police so there is one on every block, increase military so they can properly secure both borders so nothing can get through and start a federal police force.

You kidding? The leftists don't want no PO-lice

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

This thread is tiresome. Kids are dead because of a lunatic with a gun. It takes two to tango, neither side in this is entirely wrong and neither side is entirely right.

You are one prepositional phrase from actually being completely right.

 

[tumscalcium]

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[1972 Grad]

So I think we are agreeing? The action type isn’t the driver in down range accuracy?

Again if the targets are spread out enough I can’t do that with a semi auto either. But in a situation like Vegas you have 3 seconds to sight, shoot, cycle. I honsftly think that’s plenty of time.

I agree. Target acquisition takes time. I also think that Oswald could have fired the 3 shots in 5.6 seconds. From what I understand, it was 5.6 seconds from the sound of the 1st shot until the 3rd. That is almost 3 seconds between shots.

That's doable, although that was a pretty crappy action on that particular rifle, and a pretty crappy scope, but he wasn't far away, and the target was moving away from him, not sideways.

 

[hog88]

Surely, we can have the second amendment and sound regulation of who owns and how they own firearms, especially in this day and age.

That's exactly what we have now.

 

[LouderVol]

To reduce the proliferation of guns in this country, big bad inanimate objectto reduce the number of guns finding their way into the hands of criminals,banning guns won't do that, if anything it will make it easier with a bigger black market.
look at prohibition. to reduce the amount of crime and carnage in which guns are the "tool" of choice,again its not about saving lives its just simply about the big bad guns to limit the availability of certain types of weapons, trust me, you don't want them to get creativeand to generally make the country a better and safer place for my children and their children.Europe still has the same homicide rate as the US, per person. even without guns.

if it was about safety you would argue a lot more things than guns. especially taking it beyond "assault weapons".

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I don't want to limit access to mentally healthy adults.

How do you prevent defective people from getting them?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Gun buyback.

Knock yourself out. You won't pay what I am asking for mine.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Not an easy answer, but...

1. Unethical attorneys
2. Unrealistic clients
3. People feeling they got screwed by the system.

In my experience, when a case is lost the client always feels the attorney is to blame. In my experience, the case is usually won or lost based upon the client's performance on the stand. There are very few gotcha moments in a trial and juries try very hard to reach the correct conclusion and that conclusion is usually based upon the client testimony and written evidence. If the client is unlikable or comes across as evasive then the jury will often deliver an adverse verdict.

The lawyer, if he has a strong case, is to present it in an easy to digest manner to stay out of the way of his witnesses. There is a perception out there that there is a huge difference between attorneys. If they are properly prepared... the difference is quite small.

Juries are FOS and you know it.

And I will absolutely agree with you that the difference between attorneys is small. Either one could make an argument for either side of the case and not think anything of it.


Truth my ass.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'm in for $1000.

That won't even buy the sling. It will be like college tuition. If the .gov is paying, the price goes thru the roof.

Congratulations, you just created a new kind of secondary stock market.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

I'll take you up on that. Give me the grand and I'll give you a gun to turn in. Deal?

This it?

 

[Grand Vol]

Why do I bother to read the threads when I can get a good recap from SCV in a single page?

 

[NorthDallas40]

This it?

Oh man I so want one of those now.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

These are the victims of the Florida school shooting - CNN

Alaina Petty

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Petty's family said she was vibrant and determined. She had volunteered after Hurricane Irma hit Florida in September.
"Alaina loved to serve," the statement from her family said.
She was also a part of the "Helping Hands" program of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
"While we will not have the opportunity to watch her grow up and become the amazing woman we know she would become, we are keeping an eternal perspective," her family said.
Alaina, 14, was also a member of the junior ROTC at her school, a leadership program taught by retired Army personnel.


Nicholas Dworet, star swimmer

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Dworet, a 17-year-old senior, was killed in the shooting, the University of Indianapolis confirmed. Dworet was recruited for the university swim team and would have been an incoming freshman this fall.
"Nick's death is a reminder that we are connected to the larger world, and when tragedy hits in places around the world, it oftentimes affects us at home," said Robert L. Manuel, University of Indianapolis president.
"Today, and in the coming days, I hope you will hold Nick, his family, all of the victims, as well as the Parkland community and first responders in your prayers."

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15 more obits...

But keep on justifying your "need" to have assault rifles.

I didn't kill any of those kids. Pretty sure GV or any of the others on here didn't either.

And guess what. None of my weapons did either.

 

[Grand Vol]

Oh man I so want one of those now.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Okay, regardless, you send me $1,000 and I'll turn in a firearm.

Deal?

Luther likes big .gov. See he knows that of his $1000 donation, only about... conservatively... 60% of that donation will actually go to purchasing firearms. The other 40% will go to .gov pensions and health care for the bureaucrats. You on the other hand are a capitalist. You know that 100% of that money will go to 'taking a gun off the street'.

The enquoted part was hard to type with a straight face.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Saved for future use! Thanks GV I can see using that img a bunch on this board too!!

 

[NorthDallas40]

Luther likes big .gov. See he knows that of his $1000 donation, only about... conservatively... 60% of that donation will actually go to purchasing firearms. The other 40% will go to .gov pensions and health care for the bureaucrats. You on the other hand are a capitalist. You know that 100% of that money will go to 'taking a gun off the street'.

The enquoted part was hard to type with a straight face.

I work in the aerospace industry. $500 mil spec hammers make total sense to me. In fact that’s probably on the low side, they generally have to use lowest bidder on commodity items anyway!

 

[hndog609]

This it?

OK, the challenge now is to come up with a descriptive name for this that is not suggestively naughty.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Surely, we can have the second amendment and sound regulation of who owns and how they own firearms, especially in this day and age.

Who decides?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

To reduce the proliferation of guns in this country, to reduce the number of guns finding their way into the hands of criminals, to reduce the amount of crime and carnage in which guns are the "tool" of choice, to limit the availability of certain types of weapons, and to generally make the country a better and safer place for my children and their children.

If we reduce the number of Muslim immigrants we will reduce the number of potential Muslim terrorists.

Why are inanimate objects so abhorrent, yet ones with brains and a desire to do harm so desirable to the left?

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Why do I bother to read the threads when I can get a good recap from SCV in a single page?

It takes me awhile to get caught up sometime. And this thread is soooooo good I'm reading all of it nose to tail

Thanks though.. I think.. :ermm: