Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

[LouderVol]

It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/

...Klarevas says that the key provision of the assault weapons bill was a ban on high-capacity magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. “We have found that when large capacity mags are regulated, you get drastic drops in both the incidence of gun massacres and the fatality rate of gun massacres.”

The opinion is shared among many researchers who study gun violence for a living. In 2016, for instance, the New York Times asked 32 gun policy experts to rate the effectiveness of a variety of policy changes to prevent mass shootings. The roster of experts included violence prevention researchers like Harvard's David Hemenway, as well as more ideologically driven gun rights advocates like John Lott.

On a scale of effectiveness ranging from 1 (not effective) to 10 (highly effective), the expert panel gave an average score of 6.8 to both an assault weapons ban and a ban on high-capacity magazines, the highest ratings among the nearly 30 policies surveyed.

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say that the goal of the bans is to prevent horrific mass shooting incidents, not stop the run-of-the-mill gun violence that kills dozens of Americans each day.

again its not about saving lives. you don't want to fix the problem, you just don't want as bad of a mess.

 

[lawgator1]

Florida vice mayor slams 'absurd' Trump visit - CNNPolitics

"So President Trump now, based on his actions, allows mentally ill people to purchase guns when over a year ago they could not," Bogen said.


Bogen argued that Trump is a hypocrite because he supports the purchasing of assault weapons, "and then comes down here and wants to act as though this is horrible, and this shouldn't happen, but goes back to Washington and supports it."


"It is hypocrisy, it is absolute hypocrisy," Bogen said.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

I’d be cautious of anyone calling themselves experts on anything.

For our effectiveness survey, we asked experts in gun policy to evaluate each idea on a scale of 1 to 10, according to how effective they thought it would be in reducing fatalities. We asked the experts to ignore considerations of political or legal feasibility.

Our expert panel consisted of 32 current or retired academics in criminology, public health and law, who have published extensively in peer-reviewed academic journals on gun policy. We know our sample is small and may not include every expert that readers would like consulted. But we feel it represents a useful, if imperfect, measure of what people steeped in the research think might save lives.

The panel of academics included: Cathy Barber, Magdalena Cerdá, Jay Corzine, John Donohue, Laura Dugan, Liza H. Gold, David Hemenway, David Kennedy, Louis Klarevas, Gary Kleck, David Kopel, Tomislav Kovandzic, Adam Lankford, John Lott, Jonathan Metzl, Matthew Miller, Carlisle E. Moody, Andrew Papachristos, Charles Ransford, Peter Reuter, Mark Rosenberg, Robert J. Sampson, Michael Siegel, Gary Slutkin, Robert Spitzer, Stephen P. Teret, George E. Tita, Eugene Volokh, Daniel Webster, April Zeoli and others.

To see our full, original findings, including our experts’ assessment of which measures would do the most to reduce overall gun homicide deaths, read our article from January.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

I would consider myself close to if not an expert on the use of these weapons, GV is undoubtedly an expert on their mechanics.

So since you quoted "experts" why don't you answer my question?

It wasn't a jerk comment.

Your questions are moot. Don't take MY word for the worthiness of an assault weapon ban.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

For our effectiveness survey, we asked experts in gun policy to evaluate each idea on a scale of 1 to 10, according to how effective they thought it would be in reducing fatalities. We asked the experts to ignore considerations of political or legal feasibility.

Our expert panel consisted of 32 current or retired academics in criminology, public health and law, who have published extensively in peer-reviewed academic journals on gun policy. We know our sample is small and may not include every expert that readers would like consulted. But we feel it represents a useful, if imperfect, measure of what people steeped in the research think might save lives.

The panel of academics included: Cathy Barber, Magdalena Cerdá, Jay Corzine, John Donohue, Laura Dugan, Liza H. Gold, David Hemenway, David Kennedy, Louis Klarevas, Gary Kleck, David Kopel, Tomislav Kovandzic, Adam Lankford, John Lott, Jonathan Metzl, Matthew Miller, Carlisle E. Moody, Andrew Papachristos, Charles Ransford, Peter Reuter, Mark Rosenberg, Robert J. Sampson, Michael Siegel, Gary Slutkin, Robert Spitzer, Stephen P. Teret, George E. Tita, Eugene Volokh, Daniel Webster, April Zeoli and others.

To see our full, original findings, including our experts’ assessment of which measures would do the most to reduce overall gun homicide deaths, read our article from January.

It’s an appeal to authority. People have personal biases. I’m not big on “experts” especially when my rights are on the line.

 

[Grand Vol]

Should we take away these “weapons of war” from the police too?

I've always been of the mind the police should be restricted to whatever the citizens in that particular state can have.

I applaud Barrett and others that refuse to sell to any California government agency.

Gaining Momentum: Now 44 Gun Companies Have Stopped Selling to Law Enforcement In Anti-2nd Amendment States | TheBlaze

 

[hog88]

For our effectiveness survey, we asked experts in gun policy to evaluate each idea on a scale of 1 to 10, according to how effective they thought it would be in reducing fatalities. We asked the experts to ignore considerations of political or legal feasibility.

Our expert panel consisted of 32 current or retired academics in criminology, public health and law, who have published extensively in peer-reviewed academic journals on gun policy. We know our sample is small and may not include every expert that readers would like consulted. But we feel it represents a useful, if imperfect, measure of what people steeped in the research think might save lives.

The panel of academics included: Cathy Barber, Magdalena Cerdá, Jay Corzine, John Donohue, Laura Dugan, Liza H. Gold, David Hemenway, David Kennedy, Louis Klarevas, Gary Kleck, David Kopel, Tomislav Kovandzic, Adam Lankford, John Lott, Jonathan Metzl, Matthew Miller, Carlisle E. Moody, Andrew Papachristos, Charles Ransford, Peter Reuter, Mark Rosenberg, Robert J. Sampson, Michael Siegel, Gary Slutkin, Robert Spitzer, Stephen P. Teret, George E. Tita, Eugene Volokh, Daniel Webster, April Zeoli and others.

To see our full, original findings, including our experts’ assessment of which measures would do the most to reduce overall gun homicide deaths, read our article from January.

By advocating a return to the AWB as a means of reducing gun violence they demonstrate that they are not experts.

 

[hog88]

Your questions are moot. Don't take MY word for the worthiness of an assault weapon ban.

I won't, believe me. And I won't take the work of those so-called experts either since (I'd bet my bottom dollar) they couldn't answer my question either.

 

[SLICKYINC]

For our effectiveness survey, we asked experts in gun policy to evaluate each idea on a scale of 1 to 10, according to how effective they thought it would be in reducing fatalities. We asked the experts to ignore considerations of political or legal feasibility.

Our expert panel consisted of 32 current or retired academics in criminology, public health and law, who have published extensively in peer-reviewed academic journals on gun policy. We know our sample is small and may not include every expert that readers would like consulted. But we feel it represents a useful, if imperfect, measure of what people steeped in the research think might save lives.

The panel of academics included: Cathy Barber, Magdalena Cerdá, Jay Corzine, John Donohue, Laura Dugan, Liza H. Gold, David Hemenway, David Kennedy, Louis Klarevas, Gary Kleck, David Kopel, Tomislav Kovandzic, Adam Lankford, John Lott, Jonathan Metzl, Matthew Miller, Carlisle E. Moody, Andrew Papachristos, Charles Ransford, Peter Reuter, Mark Rosenberg, Robert J. Sampson, Michael Siegel, Gary Slutkin, Robert Spitzer, Stephen P. Teret, George E. Tita, Eugene Volokh, Daniel Webster, April Zeoli and others.

To see our full, original findings, including our experts’ assessment of which measures would do the most to reduce overall gun homicide deaths, read our article from January.

Bought and paid for by Mr. Bloomberg.

 

[NorthDallas40]

I've always been of the mind the police should be restricted to whatever the citizens in that particular state can have.

I applaud Barrett and others that refuse to sell to any California government agency.

Gaining Momentum: Now 44 Gun Companies Have Stopped Selling to Law Enforcement In Anti-2nd Amendment States | TheBlaze

I’m torn on that. I don’t want to see our LEO’s out gunned by criminals. I believe there is a need for special weapons teams. But I also believe the average beat officer doesn’t need an AR or even riot gun to perform the lion’s share of their duties.

But yeah right on to Barret and the other gun companies taking a stance.

 

[OuterBanksVol]

By advocating a return to the AWB as a means of reducing gun violence they demonstrate that they are not experts.

Wow. Ego check aisle 5.

Good to know ol' Volnation is home to so many experts on gun violence. Clearly, I'm wasting my time here as our resident experts have everything under control (read: do nothing).

Carry on then.

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

I've always been of the mind the police should be restricted to whatever the citizens in that particular state can have.

I applaud Barrett and others that refuse to sell to any California government agency.

Gaining Momentum: Now 44 Gun Companies Have Stopped Selling to Law Enforcement In Anti-2nd Amendment States | TheBlaze

In fairness, it was a trick question. If they want the police to have these weapons in the course of their duty. How can they, in good conscience, want them taken away from the average citizen. Who face just as many dangers as cops do. Seems very hypocritical to me. When it comes to defending myself and my family, like the cops, I want the best weapon possible, not what I’m limited to by some bureaucrat with an agenda.

 

[jvol1]

Anything semi-automatic should qualify as an assault weapon.

Bolt action is all you need for hunting.

 

[Darkman]

FBI says it did not properly follow-up tip on accused Florida shooter

FBI was warned that accused Florida shooter could attack school

 

[Vol8188]

It's time to bring back the assault weapons ban, gun violence experts say

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wa...assault-weapons-ban-gun-violence-experts-say/

...Klarevas says that the key provision of the assault weapons bill was a ban on high-capacity magazines capable of holding more than 10 rounds. “We have found that when large capacity mags are regulated, you get drastic drops in both the incidence of gun massacres and the fatality rate of gun massacres.”

The opinion is shared among many researchers who study gun violence for a living. In 2016, for instance, the New York Times asked 32 gun policy experts to rate the effectiveness of a variety of policy changes to prevent mass shootings. The roster of experts included violence prevention researchers like Harvard's David Hemenway, as well as more ideologically driven gun rights advocates like John Lott.

On a scale of effectiveness ranging from 1 (not effective) to 10 (highly effective), the expert panel gave an average score of 6.8 to both an assault weapons ban and a ban on high-capacity magazines, the highest ratings among the nearly 30 policies surveyed.

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So without high capacity magazine shooters just give up? That’s absurd.

This data is far from conclusive

 

[Vol8188]

Anything semi-automatic should qualify as an assault weapon.

Bolt action is all you need for hunting.

We don’t have the second amendment for hunting.

 

[Squints]

Anything semi-automatic should qualify as an assault weapon.

Bolt action is all you need for hunting.

Lol. Wow.

This isn’t even worthy of a rebuttal.

 

[NorthDallas40]

FBI says it did not properly follow-up tip on accused Florida shooter

FBI was warned that accused Florida shooter could attack school

Thus obviously the correct answer is to remove these weapons from civilian ownership since we cannot count on our Justice Dept to do their job as they are too busy forcing their own agenda down the public’s throat.

 

[jvol1]

Lol. Wow.

This isn’t even worthy of a rebuttal.

What's their to rebut? Semi-automatic should be the standard for assault weapons in the civil sector.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Lol. Wow.

This isn’t even worthy of a rebuttal.

I just let it lie. The stupidity was too deep.

 

[SLICKYINC]

Anything semi-automatic should qualify as an assault weapon.

Bolt action is all you need for hunting.

Who said anything about hunting? You don't get to make the rules on what guns are used for.

 

[NorthDallas40]

What's their to rebut? Semi-automatic should be the standard for assault weapons in the civil sector.

The most lethal weapon I have in my possession is my bolt action deer rifle. I could easily put 20 rounds a minute accurately down range at distances exceeding 300 yds. So ban that particular bolt action rifle?

 

[Squints]

What's their to rebut? Semi-automatic should be the standard for assault weapons in the civil sector.

So, you’d be good with changing laws for me to open carry my 30-06? If a bolt action is all that’s needed, who cares about its intended use, right?

 

[DEFENDTHISHOUSE]

What's their to rebut? Semi-automatic should be the standard for assault weapons in the civil sector.

In a dictatorship, sure.

 

[SLICKYINC]

What's their to rebut? Semi-automatic should be the standard for assault weapons in the civil sector.

Please explain..