Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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hog88 said:
I'll take you up on that. Give me the grand and I'll give you a gun to turn in. Deal?
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If they ever do something that stupid I will have a standing offer at my local Cabelas for every $200 crap firearm they have in stock or on the way in. Some how I’m guessing my idea isn’t unique. And thus now we all see why idiot ideas like this will never come to pass
 
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Squints said:
What is your point? That rifles should be banned? AR-15s are NOT assault rifles. Period. Neither are they classified as machine-class/fully-automatic.

Once you reconcile that, rearrange your argument and try again. If you want to talk retrofitting and bumpstocks, let’s talk about it. I’m entirely for eliminating bumpstocks and the capability of just anyone being able to make weapons “automatic,” fully or otherwise. Get rid of these components today, and I’d have no argument at all.

I have yet to see an acceptable answer to my concerns, and I’d like to hear your thoughts. This is where I’m at and where I believe the attention needs to be focused:

-Mental illness
-Media coverage
-Cultural/societal indoctrination
-LEO/FBI inaction

We often hear of the FBI having been aware, or at least having a blip on their radar, after these horrific events take place. Why? Why are they reluctant to take these threats serious, other than after it’s too late?

Why does the media perpetuate coverage, only to instill deep-seeded mania in someone else (I’m talking about attention seekers, manic depressives, sociopaths, psychopaths, etc.). At times, all that is needed is a trigger, and the media provides a perfect segue for this.

Cultural/societal components, in my opinion, are the most difficult to influence and control, but it needs correcting. Much like ISIS and other terror groups, their allegiance to an ideaology is greater than any warfare can defeat. Yes, we can wipe any terror group off the map, like ISIS, Al Qaeda, and others, but the ideaology doesn’t disappear. In the months/years following, another group is in the process of building an “empire.” Much like with school shootings, how do we influence cultural/ideaological change, and prevent this from occurring?

Mental illness is another can of worms in and of itself. If an individual has documented medical diagnoses of mental disorders and/or medication to control such conditions, our system for legal purchase should evaluate this in determining suitability for ownership. Then, we get into issues with disclosing medical records/conditions, discrimination, etc. It is doable, but the legal hurdles would be formidable.
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The world is filled with nutballs. We fill our prisons with dope users and peddlers instead.

Sounds like everyone who knew the shooter knew he was unstable. The shooter even introduced himself as the "school shooter". From CNN:

This summer a Nikolas Cruz made an online comment in response to a story about a disgruntled doctor in New York who used an AR-15 to shoot seven people, killing one and wounding six others.

"Man, I can do so much better," he wrote.

Henny Youngman:

The patient says "Doctor, it hurts when I do this."

Doctor says "Then don't do that!"

This applies to assault weapons. What we're doing right now ain't working.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I wish we would have a buyback here. I would love to see what people pull out of the closets. I’d be cruising the line with cash in hand.
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My wife let the police do it at one of her properties in Memphis, nothing but junk turned in. Most were inoperable.

My guess is that there was a rash of thefts a few days before the buyback.
 
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luthervol said:
Yep. If he is driving down the interstate and it is obvious that one of his 500 lbs tires is not secured and about to fall off, he will be pulled over and cited (hopefully). If it's determined that the failure to secure the tires properly was willful negligence on his part, he should have his right to transport tires revoked.

Also, he will not be able to store those tires in a residential area in view. There are restrictions on how and where the tires can be stored.
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Sounds like you have done your research on tire transport and storage. Now do some on firearms.
 
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SLICKYINC said:
And there it is. The liberal way.
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And when your loved one arrives home safely because the idiot tire man was pulled over thereby avoiding a multi-fatality accident, you can ignore the realities and continue on in your uninformed and naive bubble.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'd take his grand, go buy six Hi Points, turn them in, get another six grand and buy a couple of Wilson Combat's finest.
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That was my hustle. Had different guns in mind but that's exactly what I was thinking.

I have big plans for this $1000 buy back program.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'd take his grand, go buy six Hi Points, turn them in, get another six grand and buy a couple of Wilson Combat's finest.
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I’d probably scour the pawn shops for every piece of crap $50 auto I can find and work my way into a nice Springfield Armory M1A National Match or a tricked out AR10
 
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luthervol said:
Yep. If he is driving down the interstate and it is obvious that one of his 500 lbs tires is not secured and about to fall off, he will be pulled over and cited (hopefully). If it's determined that the failure to secure the tires properly was willful negligence on his part, he should have his right to transport tires revoked.

Also, he will not be able to store those tires in a residential area in view. There are restrictions on how and where the tires can be stored.
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So you want a universal HOA?

luthervol said:
And when your loved one arrives home safely because the idiot tire man was pulled over thereby avoiding a multi-fatality accident, you can ignore the realities and continue on in your uninformed and naive bubble.
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Nothing naïve about me knowing what liberals want. Its always about revoking rights and applying laws to everything. Always.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'd take his grand, go buy six Hi Points, turn them in, get another six grand and buy a couple of Wilson Combat's finest.
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You guys can be hysterical (dual interpretations). Somehow the idea that there was a payout of $1000 per gun got started and amazingly many jumped on board and it spread like wild fire. Right wing information distribution and consumption at its finest. I can think of no better illustration of the constant mishandling of information that is so prevalent.

I said I would contribute $1000 not that there would be a $1000 per gun pay out.

Edit: I just now read the 10 posts above this one, which makes this even funnier. I hope the point is not lost on all of you.
 
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luthervol said:
Great point.
I do. One, not 12 or 18 or 50. If someone was riding around with 20 spare tires of all different sizes that would be a pretty obvious indication that there was more than just personal security in case of an emergency intended. Maybe they intended to resell, maybe they are stolen, maybe they have some bizarre and unhealthy affection for spare tires. But obviously they have more than what is reasonably needed for personal security.
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Who are you to decide what is reasonable for someone else? The point I was trying to make is a gun is nothing more than a tool. It’s there if we need it. Most folks who have a concealed weapon license are some of the most law abiding people in this country. In fact, I’d say that a lot of us are assets to society, as a whole. We’re there to help when a situation arises to protect the liabilities in society, like you....

We always hear about how many lives a person with a gun takes. What we NEVER hear about is the lives someone with a gun saves daily, just by being there....
 
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These are the victims of the Florida school shooting - CNN

Alaina Petty

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Petty's family said she was vibrant and determined. She had volunteered after Hurricane Irma hit Florida in September.
"Alaina loved to serve," the statement from her family said.
She was also a part of the "Helping Hands" program of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
"While we will not have the opportunity to watch her grow up and become the amazing woman we know she would become, we are keeping an eternal perspective," her family said.
Alaina, 14, was also a member of the junior ROTC at her school, a leadership program taught by retired Army personnel.


Nicholas Dworet, star swimmer

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Dworet, a 17-year-old senior, was killed in the shooting, the University of Indianapolis confirmed. Dworet was recruited for the university swim team and would have been an incoming freshman this fall.
"Nick's death is a reminder that we are connected to the larger world, and when tragedy hits in places around the world, it oftentimes affects us at home," said Robert L. Manuel, University of Indianapolis president.
"Today, and in the coming days, I hope you will hold Nick, his family, all of the victims, as well as the Parkland community and first responders in your prayers."

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But keep on justifying your "need" to have assault rifles.
 
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luthervol said:
You guys can be hysterical (dual interpretations). Somehow the idea that there was a payout of $1000 per gun got started and amazingly many jumped on board and it spread like wild fire. Right wing information distribution and consumption at its finest. I can think of no better illustration of the constant mishandling of information that is so prevalent.

I said I would contribute $1000 not that there would be a $1000 per gun pay out.
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Perhaps you should have been more clear in your initial post. We took you up on your offer, now you want to crawfish your way out of it.

See what happens when you leave things open for interpretation?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Perhaps you should have been more clear in your initial post. We took you up on your offer, now you want to crawfish your way out of it.

See what happens when you leave things open for interpretation?
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You really cant be too surprised. They cant even figure out what select fire is.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
These are the victims of the Florida school shooting - CNN

Alaina Petty

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Petty's family said she was vibrant and determined. She had volunteered after Hurricane Irma hit Florida in September.
"Alaina loved to serve," the statement from her family said.
She was also a part of the "Helping Hands" program of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
"While we will not have the opportunity to watch her grow up and become the amazing woman we know she would become, we are keeping an eternal perspective," her family said.
Alaina, 14, was also a member of the junior ROTC at her school, a leadership program taught by retired Army personnel.


Nicholas Dworet, star swimmer

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Dworet, a 17-year-old senior, was killed in the shooting, the University of Indianapolis confirmed. Dworet was recruited for the university swim team and would have been an incoming freshman this fall.
"Nick's death is a reminder that we are connected to the larger world, and when tragedy hits in places around the world, it oftentimes affects us at home," said Robert L. Manuel, University of Indianapolis president.
"Today, and in the coming days, I hope you will hold Nick, his family, all of the victims, as well as the Parkland community and first responders in your prayers."

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But keep on telling me how important it is that you have assault rifles.
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Absolutely horrible. It is truly a tragedy. I suppose the response your are hoping to illicit is for me to open my gun safe in shame and, sobbing, take those evil items to the police for immediate destruction right?

Never ever EVER going to happen.

Edit: forgot to add. I guess I’m good though since I don’t own any assault rifles. But I do own two AR15 platform rifles.
 
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luthervol said:
And when your loved one arrives home safely because the idiot tire man was pulled over thereby avoiding a multi-fatality accident, you can ignore the realities and continue on in your uninformed and naive bubble.
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So, your argument went from - how many guns are too many? - to spare tire transportation, and then to commercial tire transportation?

500 lb tires, luther? We’re talking tractor/earth moving equipment tires. There are no parallels to be drawn between the quantity of guns owned and the commercial transportation of large tires down I-285. What restricts this transportation? Ideally and exclusively, combined weight, height and width (without special permitting/escorts) of the vehicle/rig. The tires being properly secured is inherently and entirely incumbent upon the truck driver. Kind of like existing gun laws, it is inherently entrusted to the owner to operate, use, store, etc. his firearm in a lawful manner.

Should we lower the hauling capacity? What about the height/width threshold without needing a permit/escort? What is your argument? Your analogies never let down, and they are consistent - they never make sense.
 
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You know the left would probably do better in these debates if they could get about 99% of their completely ignorant faction to keep their pieholes shut.
 
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