Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

Guns to me aren’t the problem. The percentage of gun ownership is much lower than it was a generation or two ago. There are certainly more guns, buts that’s because guns don’t really wear out or break like other goods. And much of that is collectors having lots of guns, many people don’t own guns at all. So 50 years ago it would have been much more common to have a gun in your house. Why weren’t shootings like this much more common? Semi automatic rifles and pistols have been widely available for decades. Millions of M-1 carbines were sold to the public after WWII and Korea with lots of 15 and 30 round magazines for purchase. And you could buy them at hardware stores or have them delivered straight to your house via catalog, no background check needed. You did not see these types of events when arguably the percentage of people owning guns was much higher than today. Something is going on with people, not with the availability of firearms.
 
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Guns to me aren’t the problem. The percentage of gun ownership is much lower than it was a generation or two ago. There are certainly more guns, buts that’s because guns don’t really wear out or break like other goods. And much of that is collectors having lots of guns, many people don’t own guns at all. So 50 years ago it would have been much more common to have a gun in your house. Why weren’t shootings like this much more common? Semi automatic rifles and pistols have been widely available for decades. Millions of M-1 carbines were sold to the public after WWII and Korea with lots of 15 and 30 round magazines for purchase. And you could buy them at hardware stores or have them delivered straight to your house via catalog, no background check needed. You did not see these types of events when arguably the percentage of people owning guns was much higher than today. Something is going on with people, not with the availability of firearms.

And 50 years ago you could order a semi-automatic rifle out of Sears and Roebuck and have it delivered to your house.
 
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Nikolas Cruz, the alleged gunman who killed at least 17 people at a Florida high school on Wednesday, trained with a white-supremacist group, its leader told the Anti-Defamation League. Jordan Jereb of the Republic of Florida told ADL that Cruz had participated in at least one training exercise near Tallahassee area, carpooling with other ROF members from south Florida. ADL reports the group describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fighting for white identitarian politics” and seeks to create a “white ethnostate” in Florida.

Florida White Supremacist Group Admits Ties to Alleged Parkland School Shooter Nikolas Cruz | Anti-Defamation League
 
Nikolas Cruz, the alleged gunman who killed at least 17 people at a Florida high school on Wednesday, trained with a white-supremacist group, its leader told the Anti-Defamation League. Jordan Jereb of the Republic of Florida told ADL that Cruz had participated in at least one training exercise near Tallahassee area, carpooling with other ROF members from south Florida. ADL reports the group describes itself as a “white civil rights organization fighting for white identitarian politics” and seeks to create a “white ethnostate” in Florida.

Florida White Supremacist Group Admits Ties to Alleged Parkland School Shooter Nikolas Cruz | Anti-Defamation League

Not saying that report isn't true but it could be the group just trying to get national attention for it's "cause" also...much like terrorist groups will quickly claim responsibility for attacks. Usually when there is a large terrorist attack you will have multiple groups claiming they did it...again, it could be true but....
 
The debate needs to start with gun control. Only after rational minds are allowed to prevail, will we have even a remote chance of addressing the problem.

To claim that gun laws and regulations have no impact on the issue is beyond absurd.

That is correct but even thinking you can control guns ,when there are billions in service, is ridiculous. That ship sailed. Lets work the problem, why do our children want to be mass murderers? You know the answer.

Hold parents responsible for children's actions.
Arrest some gun store owners to make them more critical.
Arrest some phycologists for not being forthcoming.
Keep up with stockpiling weapons/ammo. Should be easy.
Ban first person shooter video games, clamp down on ratings violations.
 
That is correct but even thinking you can control guns ,when there are billions in service, is ridiculous. That ship sailed. Lets work the problem, why do our children want to be mass murderers? You know the answer.

Hold parents responsible for children's actions.
Arrest some gun store owners to make them more critical.
Arrest some phycologists for not being forthcoming.
Keep up with stockpiling weapons/ammo. Should be easy.
Ban first person shooter video games, clamp down on ratings violations.

Yeah, that will fix the problem.
 
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That is correct but even thinking you can control guns ,when there are billions in service, is ridiculous. That ship sailed. Lets work the problem, why do our children want to be mass murderers? You know the answer.

Hold parents responsible for children's actions.
Arrest some gun store owners to make them more critical.
Arrest some phycologists for not being forthcoming.
Keep up with stockpiling weapons/ammo. Should be easy.
Ban first person shooter video games, clamp down on ratings violations.

There is our first blame the video games/music post today...took long enough :banghead2:
 
Like I said in my other thread

I've been in security/Law Enforcement for over 20 years now and every time there is a mass shooting especially at a school I get ton of messages on FB or via email asking my opinion on what can be done to stop these shootings. The short answer is NOTHING can be done to STOP these but there are a ton of things that we can do to pre identify possible shootings or limit the amount of victims/casualties .


The Gun Debate: Everyone is quick to call for gun control or bans on A-15's when there is a mass shooting. This is the laziest and dumbest argument in this whole tragic debate on shootings. Ban AR's or any guns WON'T stop these shootings. Most of the times these weapons are acquired from their parents,friends or just bought off the street without background checks. Politicians are quick to use these events for their own propaganda and political believes. If a nut case wants to shoot up a place there NOTHING gun bans will do to prevent these acts from happening, stop this debate and start doing something that CAN help reduce or identify possible events.

Training/Equipment:To be honest most schools or businesses are under trained or equipped for these events. Most schools have some sort of security these days wether it's a unarmed guard, metal detectors,video cameras or a armed police/school resource officer. Most high schools regardless of the size of the campus have 1 or 2 officers. One or two officers are not enough in most cases to properly protect campuses. Several schools don't wont offer armed security or have very poor if ANY other security devices such as metal detectors or cameras. How does this happen in this day and age?? Usually comes down to $$

School Design/Setup: Most high schools and universities are easy targets for mass shootings once the suspect(s) get inside the facility. Most classrooms have large glass windows or amazingly doors that are unable to be locked from inside the classrooms. This makes it very easy for possible shooters to access areas and to stalk out victims.

Mental Health Issues & Warning Signs: After a tragic mass shooting we almost always find out that there was easy warning signs that were ignored or that the suspect had mental health issues. In almost 90% of mass shootings there were very easy "warning signs" leading up to the shooting. These are either physical or verbal comments, the following and talking about terrorist groups or past mass shootings and very often social media posts prior to the event. If you see or hear someone making statements about violence against others or posting weird social media posts about violence then REPORT IT!! Regardless of wether the posts or statements are legit or just angry banter at least authorities will be aware of it! This in my opinion is the #1 way to prevent possible shootings!

The Armed Teacher Debate: The media and left wing politicians are HIGHLY against this ideal because of their gun ban causes and pushes. In my opinion with what I said about a lack of officers/guards and equipment in most schools I firmly believe IF DONE RIGHT is the ONLY way to properly defend our schools. With that said I'm not talking about every Joe & Jane with a CCW permit is allowed to carry at school or in their workplace. If you are a licensed CCW carrier you should be required to go thru proper self defense and mass shooting training just like the police are required too. Then after passing the training and getting re certified EACH year you are allowed to carry for defense at school or work. In a school setting this should be only for staff, not students in my opinion.

Active Shooter Training: A lot of schools are very resistant to offering active shooter training even in this age because they simply have the "It can't happen here" thinking or are afraid to scare students or parents. In most states Active Shooter Training is free and offered by local police departments,Emergency Management or even the federal government. Another problem I often see when there is active shooter training at schools it's ONLY for local first responders and maybe school staff. Why not include students just like a fire or tornado drill?

Like I said before there is NO WAY to STOP mass shootings but limiting the victims and being more prepared and alert is the key.

And then common sense appeared.

Very practical. I would suggest that schools with armed and trained teachers would have an effect on reducing school shootings. The wolves will find another undefended venue.
 
That really stings coming from you.

You don't know me so your post is irrelevant.

Still doesn't make my opinion about you any less truthful.

Tennessee has some of the most lax gun control laws in the country. You really think it should be easier for everyone to purchase a gun?
 
Well I'm taking my 2 back then! Damn things are defective, they haven't killed anyone yet.

Same here. And all of us out at the gun range shooting them because they have less recoil and the ammo is a fraction if the cost of .270, .308, .30-06,etc. In fact, millions of these weapons are defective because they have never killed anyone! Sue the manufacturers!
 
There is our first blame the video games/music post today...took long enough :banghead2:

Yes sorry, you are correct. Its perfectly normal for kids to play these violent games for extended periods of time everyday of their lives. Nothing but good can come of it. Helps them communicate.:mf_surrender:
 
Make every teacher conceal carry. Make it part of their job to be trained with a handgun.. put the gun in a fingerprint scanner , wired to an alarm system, when the gun is pulled every door in the school locks down.. something along those lines..

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Wednesday morning, the Senate decided to join their brethren and sistren in the House of Representatives and vote to place guns in the hands of people too mentally unstable to manage their own bank accounts. Really.

With every Republican seems like sound strategy, the Senate gave its imprimatur to H.J. Res. 40. This will rollback the Social Security Administration (SSA) policy begun under President Obama to share with our NICS background check system the 75,000 individuals who are unable to work because of “severe mental impairment” and an inability to manage their own Social Security benefits.

No worries—here's your AR-15!
 
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Yes sorry, you are correct. Its perfectly normal for kids to play these violent games for extended periods of time everyday of their lives. Nothing but good can come of it. Helps them communicate.:mf_surrender:

My son plays them all of the time. Is on the Deans List at Indiana State studying Criminology, hasn't killed anyone yet because of these games. I guess we have just dodged the bullet huh?
 
I would concede to more gun regulations if the left will concede to standardized testing to vote..

Reading comprehension, math and spelling for starters.
Let’s thtow in state issued ID as well.
 
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Every time someone posts about the NRA here I’m making a donation

National Rifle Association Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre's world. You see, there might not be a legitimate reason to allow those on this SSA list to buy guns, but there is a reason. Profits for those who donate to the NRA and sit on its board. These are the major firearm manufacturers, who realize that 75,000 people is still 75,000 people. Like terrorists and criminals, they too can pay in dollars.
 
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