Mass shooting of the week, high school in parkland, FL.

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Squints said:
Wrong. The problem is not volume, it’s the will to commit heinous acts that result in the loss of life. Guns are merely a means, just as vehicles, bombs, etc. are.

If you want to honestly solve the problem, start at the root, not the branches.
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This is why a conversation won't be had. You're unwilling to admit that the availability of guns is part of the problem and my liberal brethren are unwilling to consider that there may be issues other than guns that contribute to the problem.
 
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Like I said in my other thread

I've been in security/Law Enforcement for over 20 years now and every time there is a mass shooting especially at a school I get ton of messages on FB or via email asking my opinion on what can be done to stop these shootings. The short answer is NOTHING can be done to STOP these but there are a ton of things that we can do to pre identify possible shootings or limit the amount of victims/casualties .


The Gun Debate: Everyone is quick to call for gun control or bans on A-15's when there is a mass shooting. This is the laziest and dumbest argument in this whole tragic debate on shootings. Ban AR's or any guns WON'T stop these shootings. Most of the times these weapons are acquired from their parents,friends or just bought off the street without background checks. Politicians are quick to use these events for their own propaganda and political believes. If a nut case wants to shoot up a place there NOTHING gun bans will do to prevent these acts from happening, stop this debate and start doing something that CAN help reduce or identify possible events.

Training/Equipment:To be honest most schools or businesses are under trained or equipped for these events. Most schools have some sort of security these days wether it's a unarmed guard, metal detectors,video cameras or a armed police/school resource officer. Most high schools regardless of the size of the campus have 1 or 2 officers. One or two officers are not enough in most cases to properly protect campuses. Several schools don't wont offer armed security or have very poor if ANY other security devices such as metal detectors or cameras. How does this happen in this day and age?? Usually comes down to $$

School Design/Setup: Most high schools and universities are easy targets for mass shootings once the suspect(s) get inside the facility. Most classrooms have large glass windows or amazingly doors that are unable to be locked from inside the classrooms. This makes it very easy for possible shooters to access areas and to stalk out victims.

Mental Health Issues & Warning Signs: After a tragic mass shooting we almost always find out that there was easy warning signs that were ignored or that the suspect had mental health issues. In almost 90% of mass shootings there were very easy "warning signs" leading up to the shooting. These are either physical or verbal comments, the following and talking about terrorist groups or past mass shootings and very often social media posts prior to the event. If you see or hear someone making statements about violence against others or posting weird social media posts about violence then REPORT IT!! Regardless of wether the posts or statements are legit or just angry banter at least authorities will be aware of it! This in my opinion is the #1 way to prevent possible shootings!

The Armed Teacher Debate: The media and left wing politicians are HIGHLY against this ideal because of their gun ban causes and pushes. In my opinion with what I said about a lack of officers/guards and equipment in most schools I firmly believe IF DONE RIGHT is the ONLY way to properly defend our schools. With that said I'm not talking about every Joe & Jane with a CCW permit is allowed to carry at school or in their workplace. If you are a licensed CCW carrier you should be required to go thru proper self defense and mass shooting training just like the police are required too. Then after passing the training and getting re certified EACH year you are allowed to carry for defense at school or work. In a school setting this should be only for staff, not students in my opinion.

Active Shooter Training: A lot of schools are very resistant to offering active shooter training even in this age because they simply have the "It can't happen here" thinking or are afraid to scare students or parents. In most states Active Shooter Training is free and offered by local police departments,Emergency Management or even the federal government. Another problem I often see when there is active shooter training at schools it's ONLY for local first responders and maybe school staff. Why not include students just like a fire or tornado drill?

Like I said before there is NO WAY to STOP mass shootings but limiting the victims and being more prepared and alert is the key.
 
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Grand Vol said:
There were several technical problems with Boston. It could have been far worse.
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One of the beauties of an AR 15, almost no technical problems. Relatively cheap, easy, and effective means of killing a bunch of people. Got to love it.....I assume sells are skyrocketing today.
 
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LouderVol said:
do we know what the comment was or the video? I have seen reports about it, but nothing specific.

What I am wondering is how broad of a brush will be wide/narrow enough to get the FBI to look into?

I am going to get investigated every time I "like" a video teaching gun safety? Do I get investigated for liking a video that the majority doesn't agree with? Do I get investigated for commenting negatively on a video about the current president or something that talks about the US in general?
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His comment was that he wanted to be a professional school shooter. The FBI dropped the ball here.
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
This is why a conversation won't be had. You're unwilling to admit that the availability of guns is part of the problem and my liberal brethren are unwilling to consider that there may be issues other than guns that contribute to the problem.
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Availability of guns isn't the problem since it takes a human to use one.
 
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luthervol said:
One of the beauties of an AR 15, almost no technical problems. Relatively cheap, easy, and effective means of killing a bunch of people. Got to love it.....I assume sells are skyrocketing today.
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Yes because all of us AR owners buy them to kill people
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
This is why a conversation won't be had. You're unwilling to admit that the availability of guns is part of the problem and my liberal brethren are unwilling to consider that there may be issues other than guns that contribute to the problem.
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And what's your proposal for reducing the availability of access to guns?
 
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ClearwaterVol said:
This is why a conversation won't be had. You're unwilling to admit that the availability of guns is part of the problem and my liberal brethren are unwilling to consider that there may be issues other than guns that contribute to the problem.
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Exactly. You don’t want to be honest about the problem(s).

Muh guns, guns, guns. Guns be damned. They load themselves and spontaneously discharge without human interaction.
 
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luthervol said:
One of the beauties of an AR 15, almost no technical problems. Relatively cheap, easy, and effective means of killing a bunch of people. Got to love it.....I assume sells are skyrocketing today.
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Gun sales always go through the roof post shooting because people think the guvment gonna take their guns.
 
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Hoosier_Vol said:
Like I said in my other thread

I've been in security/Law Enforcement for over 20 years now and every time there is a mass shooting especially at a school I get ton of messages on FB or via email asking my opinion on what can be done to stop these shootings. The short answer is NOTHING can be done to STOP these but there are a ton of things that we can do to pre identify possible shootings or limit the amount of victims/casualties .


The Gun Debate: Everyone is quick to call for gun control or bans on A-15's when there is a mass shooting. This is the laziest and dumbest argument in this whole tragic debate on shootings. Ban AR's or any guns WON'T stop these shootings. Most of the times these weapons are acquired from their parents,friends or just bought off the street without background checks. Politicians are quick to use these events for their own propaganda and political believes. If a nut case wants to shoot up a place there NOTHING gun bans will do to prevent these acts from happening, stop this debate and start doing something that CAN help reduce or identify possible events.
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The debate needs to start with gun control. Only after rational minds are allowed to prevail, will we have even a remote chance of addressing the problem.

To claim that gun laws and regulations have no impact on the issue is beyond absurd.
 
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luthervol said:
The debate needs to start with gun control. Only after rational minds are allowed to prevail, will we have even a remote chance of addressing the problem.

To claim that gun laws and regulations have no impact on the issue is beyond absurd.
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This is why you fail.
 
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luthervol said:
The debate needs to start with gun control. Only after rational minds are allowed to prevail, will we have even a remote chance of addressing the problem.

To claim that gun laws and regulations have no impact on the issue is beyond absurd.
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This is why we push back so hard against you guys. The debate needs to begin with WHY people feel the need to commit such acts.
 
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Squints said:
Exactly. You don’t want to be honest about the problem(s).

Muh guns, guns, guns. Guns be damned. They load themselves and spontaneously discharge without human interaction.
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I am perfectly willing to consider both sides of the equation. It is you that is demonstrating the inability to do so.
 
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hog88 said:
This is why we push back so hard against you guys. The debate needs to begin with WHY people feel the need to commit such acts.
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Because some people are crazed idiots with the desire to cause as much death and destruction as humanly possible. There has always been that type, and there always will be.
 
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luthervol said:
And this is why you fail. And this is how we find ourselves once again having the same debate.
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Because you believe gun control is the first and only answer. When, in fact, it's multi faceted as CWV pointed out.

If your gut reaction in these situations is to automatically jump to the gun control chapter and verse, nothing will get done as people will tune you out.
 
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