Trump refers to immigrants from Haiti and Africa as being from s***hole countries.

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Libs know they can't win elections with the normal American white person so they are trying to import as many big gov adoring voters as they can. There's no coherence or intellectual honesty here. It's a pure power grab and we have to crush them or we lose our homeland.
 
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There is a real problem with letting this mass influx from these Sh****** countries.

How can these crap countries ever escape their shi***ness if you always allow everyone of their citizens that have any aspirations, to leave.

Then you have nothing but the sh***iest of the sh***y left. So at that point, how can they gain any traction as a country.
 
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allvol123 said:
There is a real problem with letting this mass influx from these Sh****** countries.

How can these crap countries ever escape their shi***ness if you always allow everyone of their citizens that have any aspirations, to leave.

Then you have nothing but the sh***iest of the sh***y left. So at that point, how can they gain any traction as a country.
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yeah, cause Europe turned into a ****hole after "our" ancestors left.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah, cause Europe turned into a ****hole after "our" ancestors left.
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How in the Hell would Europe compare, they already had established themselves.

We are not talking about becoming a shihole, we are talking about currently and and always being one.
 
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joevol33 said:
Here’s my problem with this theory. The left used this argument, and it’s bull. I live in an area that’s literally covered with illegals. I’ve worked with them for nearly 20 years. One, they don’t make $7 an hour, there’s zero jobs around here that pay that low unless you’re flipping burgers, and I challenge any democrat to come to northeast Georgia, and show me the over pouring number of Hispanic McDonald’s employees. Two, the ones who do make a lower wage, say around $10 an hour, isn’t the same as me getting the same job. You guys never mention that they don’t pay taxes, nor their spouses, plus they get every free benefit known to man, and somehow, a crap load of money back at tax time. The Mexicans here brag about how stupid America is, because they easily get away with it. This isn’t rumor, I was a supervisor for 7 years at my previous job, and saw their checks. Money alone, their $10/hour is like $15/ hour for me, not counting government freebies. If they do have concerns, they easily have a new name and ss number the next day. I have many Hispanic friends, and a few that are illegal. However, you guys acting like they come in make by pitiful money on jobs that no one else will work is simply bull crap. I’d willingly take anyone wanting a tour to my local cal Walmart, or shopping in little Mexico, aka Gainesville Georgia, then you show me the poor Mexicans working for nothing on jobs that sorry white people allegedly won’t work. They have it made, and they’re rolling. Let the government roll out a fair tax, and see how many of these folks stick around. I’m not gonna say jmo, I live here with them, see it daily, and saying they work jobs we won’t isn’t right. They’re making more than most with the way it works.
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It's incentives and it's true. Why in Shelby County, Tn, with one of the highest welfare populations by percentage in the nation, are immigrants coming to in droves? Anecdotally I can say that the large majority of manual labor here is done by immigrants.
 
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allvol123 said:
There is a real problem with letting this mass influx from these Sh****** countries.

How can these crap countries ever escape their shi***ness if you always allow everyone of their citizens that have any aspirations, to leave.

Then you have nothing but the sh***iest of the sh***y left. So at that point, how can they gain any traction as a country.
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Yeah, because this is about how much you care about Haiti improving itself. Lol.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with keeping foreigners out.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Yeah, because this is about how much you care about Haiti improving itself. Lol.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with keeping foreigners out.
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My wants are irrelevant to the point.

For a bottom feeder country to go thru a transformation, masses are required that are willing to take action. Why take the actions when there are other release valves?
 
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midnight orange said:
It's incentives and it's true. Why in Shelby County, Tn, with one of the highest welfare populations by percentage in the nation, are immigrants coming to in droves? Anecdotally I can say that the large majority of manual labor here is done by immigrants.
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It's almost as if a person's genes and DNA don't magically change when you cross an ocean.
 
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FLVOL_79 said:
I am glad a lot of people on here aren't involved with Football recruiting. Could you imagine those teams? Lots of 1 and 2 stars with 5 star hearts...
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And the Trumpters would have us loaded with a bunch of rich spoiled white kids from private high schools.
 
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If a place like El Salvador isn't a sh*thole, then all the illegals and "refugees" need to go back there. It's such a great place and they can stop using our welfare.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah, cause Europe turned into a ****hole after "our" ancestors left.
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It kinda has. The mass migration to the new world and of course the wars on that continent have really feminized those countries. The majority of the men with balls migrated here or were killed fighting, leaving the effeminate males to breed.
 
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Vols_Baby_Boomer said:
Libs know they can't win elections with the normal American white person so they are trying to import as many big gov adoring voters as they can. There's no coherence or intellectual honesty here. It's a pure power grab and we have to crush them or we lose our homeland.
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If people come here from poor countries in order to make a better living than they could at home, what's wrong with that? Should the question of whether you can make a good living be completely dependent on where you happened to be born?
 
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lawgator1 said:
If people come here from poor countries in order to make a better living than they could at home, what's wrong with that? Should the question of whether you can make a good living be completely dependent on where you happened to be born?
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It's not and never has been.
 
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lawgator1 said:
If people come here from poor countries in order to make a better living than they could at home, what's wrong with that? Should the question of whether you can make a good living be completely dependent on where you happened to be born?
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He said it was dna.
 
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President Donald Trump denies the specific phrase, but let's give him a pass on this one, because he's right in the largest sense possible: Most immigrants who come to America do indeed come from places they'd rather not live or work. By definition. Whether their homelands are technically ****holes or something less offensive to contemporary ears isn't really a question. People come here because they think it's going to be better than where they're from.

It was true of all of my grandparents and all of your ancestors, too, if you're American. We all have roots elsewhere. The promise of America, since before its founding as a country, is precisely that you can start over here.

Things were different back then! No welfare state! Those countries were part of the "West," which is best!

Well, there was a welfare state, at least as it pertains to what today's immigrants (legal and illegal) qualify for, which is basically school for your kids and emergency medical care. Since the mid-1990s, when Bill Clinton was re-elected partly on the strength of his promises to end illegal immigration, illegals don't qualify for transfer payments (to the extent that immigrants, legal or otherwise, manage to cadge food stamps and the like, it's a rounding error in federal and state budgets).

Oh, and one more thing: The wretched refuse washing up on the East Coast had it easy compared to the Asians flooding the West Coast. The very first broad-based (which is to say racist) immigration restrictions were leveled against Chinese migrants in 1882. Back then, euphemisms were less common so a complete ban on Chinese people coming here to work was simply called The Chinese Exclusion Act. Anti-Chinese animus was virulent enough that it underwrote the single-biggest mass lynching in American history, which took place in Los Angeles in 1871. It was followed by less overt but no less sweeping legislation to keep Japanese out. Long before they became "model minorities," Asians were barred from coming here. They persisted, though, and America is a better place for their willingness to route around racism and attempts to keep them out.

The point of America is not where you're from, it's what you do when you show up here.
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Of Course Most Immigrants Come from Sh*thole Countries. So What? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
 
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Orange_Crush said:
Bump, OBV. I'm truly interested.
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The better question is why would we paint potential immigrants with broad strokes: From Haiti, bad. From Norway, good.

I'm in favor of giving people an OPPORTUNITY to potentially become a citizen, not the RIGHT. A selective screening process makes sense. Eliminating that opportunity because someone is poor and uneducated would have probably prevented huge scores of Irish and Scottish immigrants back in the day.

Our country is a melting pot. For some folks here to look down their noses at others and actually claim that they are "better" than them is just sad. We all have our place in society regardless of our education, ethnicity or wealth.
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
The better question is why would we paint potential immigrants with broad strokes: From Haiti, bad. From Norway, good.

I'm in favor of giving people an OPPORTUNITY to potentially become a citizen, not the RIGHT. A selective screening process makes sense. Eliminating that opportunity because someone is poor and uneducated would have probably prevented huge scores of Irish and Scottish immigrants back in the day.

Our country is a melting pot. For some folks here to look down their noses at others and actually claim that they are "better" than them is just sad. We all have our place in society regardless of our education, ethnicity or wealth.
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I've got friends in Australia who want to move here and bring their business with them. So far it's been a 3 year process and they have spent a considerable amount of money.

I think the point being made is why do people from "****hole" counties get an easier, quicker and cheaper path into the US than people from 1st world countries?
 
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lawgator1 said:
If people come here from poor countries in order to make a better living than they could at home, what's wrong with that? Should the question of whether you can make a good living be completely dependent on where you happened to be born?
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Why does the foreigner have a right to this country, but we don't have a right to say who can and cannot come in?
 
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OuterBanksVol said:
The better question is why would we paint potential immigrants with broad strokes: From Haiti, bad. From Norway, good.

I'm in favor of giving people an OPPORTUNITY to potentially become a citizen, not the RIGHT. A selective screening process makes sense. Eliminating that opportunity because someone is poor and uneducated would have probably prevented huge scores of Irish and Scottish immigrants back in the day.

Our country is a melting pot. For some folks here to look down their noses at others and actually claim that they are "better" than them is just sad. We all have our place in society regardless of our education, ethnicity or wealth.
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u seem to have taken a MASSIVE swerve in argument when someone had the presence of mind to call you on your argument.

You're still making an emotion-based plea, but at least you're no longer trying to as blatantly paint it as a rational argument.


The reason that we must be selective in who we allow to immigrate in is because we have to protect our ability to be what we are. Call it "protecting our resources". There are only so many resources available to us as a country. As we invite more and more destitute, helpless, uneducated, drains on society, society will eventually become completely drained and America will no longer be strong enough to be the benefit to the world.

We can help many people as a strong country. If we open the doors and invite in all of the derelicts of the world, we will no longer be strong enough to be of any benefit.

At our church, we are inundated with pleas for help from the helpless. And I/we want to help every one. We actually get a hard time about nearly every person we don't help.

We have to be choosy about who we help.

We have to, because if we weren't selective in who and how we invest, we would go broke, cease to exist, and then there would be one less church in the city to help anyone.

If we tried to indiscriminately help every person who needs help, we'd do a disservice to our church and our community.

So. No one has the right to enter the US. US citizens have the first right to resources here. The US has the right to protect our own interests above others, and if we don't we will lose the ability to protect/help anyone else's interests.

That's pragmatism. in case of cabin decompression, you put your own oxygen mask on first or you won't be around to help the person in the seat next to you.

They want to come here because we are a great nation. Our first priority is to make sure we remain great enough to be a blessing to some, because we can't be a blessing to everyone.
 
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