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I talk to a lot of people who dis agree with me.
I do that to sharpen my faith and to truly know what I believe. I’m not trying to convert anyone. Just discuss. Sometimes people want to get stupid and argue about it. When the name calling starts I become a lot less cooperative and turn into “slice”.

I tell you that to tell you this.
One of those conversations turned nasty today (not on VN) and if you have not seen this it’s worth a look.
I think this will be the next assault on the faith. This article was sent to me and is over a year old but if the person that sent it to me knows about it then it might be gaining traction.

Jesus Christ was NOT divine, according to his own family | Science | News | Express.co.uk

I don’t know anything about this sorce. Just thought it was interesting that they claim letters earlier than the copies we have of biblical texts
 
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#3,330
Orangeslice13 said:
I talk to a lot of people who dis agree with me.
I do that to sharpen my faith and to truly know what I believe. I’m not trying to convert anyone. Just discuss. Sometimes people want to get stupid and argue about it. When the name calling starts I become a lot less cooperative and turn into “slice”.

I tell you that to tell you this.
One of those conversations turned nasty today (not on VN) and if you have not seen this it’s worth a look.
I think this will be the next assault on the faith. This article was sent to me and is over a year old but if the person that sent it to me knows about it then it might be gaining traction.

Jesus Christ was NOT divine, according to his own family | Science | News | Express.co.uk

I don’t know anything about this sorce. Just thought it was interesting that they claim letters earlier than the copies we have of biblical texts
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Your linking this ****?
 
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#3,334
I’ve set up shop in Fritos Head.
A response in 20 seconds has to be a record.

This guys a wolf
I told him I was enjoying a conversation yesterday and even called him brother.
He responded by calling me a liar and then has the nerve to be surprised I stopped helping him.
 
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Peter had a mother-in-law!

Matthew 8:14-17 (KJV)
14 And when Jesus was come into Peter's house, he saw his wife's mother laid, and sick of a fever.
15 And he touched her hand, and the fever left her: and she arose, and ministered unto them.
16 When the even was come, they brought unto him many that were possessed with devils: and he cast out the spirits with his word, and healed all that were sick:
17 That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet, saying, Himself took our infirmities, and bare our sicknesses.

Mary had other children besides Jesus!

Matthew 1:18-25 (KJV)
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
19 Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not willing to make her a publick example, was minded to put her away privily.
20 But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.
21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.
22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,
23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
24 Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife:
25 And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.

Matthew 12:46-47 (KJV)
46 While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
47 Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.

Matthew 13:55-58 (KJV)
55 Is not this the carpenter's son? is not his mother called Mary? and his brethren, James, and Joses, and Simon, and Judas?
56 And his sisters, are they not all with us? Whence then hath this man all these things?
57 And they were offended in him. But Jesus said unto them, A prophet is not without honour, save in his own country, and in his own house.
58 And he did not many mighty works there because of their unbelief.

Mark 6:3 (KJV)
3 Is not this the carpenter, the son of Mary, the brother of James, and Joses, and of Juda, and Simon? and are not his sisters here with us? And they were offended at him.

John 2:12 (KJV)
12 After this he went down to Capernaum, he, and his mother, and his brethren, and his disciples: and they continued there not many days.

Acts 1:14 (KJV)
14 These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.

Galatians 1:19 (KJV)
19 But other of the apostles saw I none, save James the Lord's brother.

Perpetual virgin, my hind leg!!!!
 
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#3,336
1 Timothy 2:5 - For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

John 14:6 - Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 John 4:1 - Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

Revelation 5:8 - And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four [and] twenty elders fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.

Ephesians 6:18 - Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

John 15:7 - If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.

Romans 8:27 - And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what [is] the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to [the will of] God.

Matthew 6:7 - But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.

Philippians 4:6-7 (KJV)
6 Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.
7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

1 Timothy 2:1 - I exhort therefore, that, first of all, supplications, prayers, intercessions, [and] giving of thanks, be made for all men;

Exodus 20:4 - Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness [of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath, or that [is] in the water under the earth:

James 5:16 - Confess [your] faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much.

Matthew 24:24 - For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if [it were] possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

Luke 20:46 - Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets, and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Revelation 22:16 - I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, [and] the bright and morning star.

1 Corinthians 14:33 - For God is not [the author] of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Hebrews 4:16 - Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Revelation 19:10 - And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See [thou do it] not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy.

Romans 1:7 - To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called [to be] saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Leviticus 26:1 - Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up [any] image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I [am] the LORD your God.

Matthew 7:15-23 (KJV)
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
17 Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

The correct way to pray.

Matthew 6:5-13 (KJV)
5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.
7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
9 After this manner therefore pray ye: Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name.
10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.
11 Give us this day our daily bread.
12 And forgive us our debts, as we forgive our debtors.
13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

John 17:1-26 (KJV)
1 These words spake Jesus, and lifted up his eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee:
2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.
3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.
11 And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are.
12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled.
13 And now come I to thee; and these things I speak in the world, that they might have my joy fulfilled in themselves.
14 I have given them thy word; and the world hath hated them, because they are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
15 I pray not that thou shouldest take them out of the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil.
16 They are not of the world, even as I am not of the world.
17 Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth.
18 As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.
19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, that they also might be sanctified through the truth.
20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;
21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.
22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one:
23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me.
24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.
25 O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me.
26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’ve set up shop in Fritos Head.
A response in 20 seconds has to be a record.

This guys a wolf
I told him I was enjoying a conversation yesterday and even called him brother.
He responded by calling me a liar and then has the nerve to be surprised I stopped helping him.
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What the hell are you talking about. Have you stopped taking medication or something?
 
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Frito said:
What the hell are you talking about. Have you stopped taking medication or something?
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Lol
And here you are again

-Nobody is trying to convert you.
-The conversation you jumped into was a statement I made regarding what I believe when asked by BigO. I’ve been clear at Least 100 times that I’m ok if you don’t agree.
- several people like Rex and BigO asked questions about it and expressed what they believe (nobody got mad)
-you asked several questions and I answered them. I thought we were having a decent exchange and even called you Brother. You responded by calling me a liar and became obstinate. Even BigO commented on how you’re behaving like a 3rd grader.
- Evne Louder thought your response to me was funny. I stopped answering and started asking. You said some thing about moving goal posts. (I’m not trying to convert you. If you disagree with me then I’m ok with it).
-I prompted a link of things I disagree with to get the discussion going again. You butted in once again. If you can’t discuss things without getting mad then maybe this isn’t the place for you.

Look at the OP.
From the very beginning of this thread I’ve asked for opinions from people I disagree with. Nobody is mad here but you. I do that to learn others perspective and sharpen what I believe.

Again this probably isn’t the thread for you.
 
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#3,340
Orangeslice13 said:
Lol
And here you are again

-Nobody is trying to convert you.
-The conversation you jumped into was a statement I made regarding what I believe when asked by BigO. I’ve been clear at Least 100 times that I’m ok if you don’t agree.
- several people like Rex and BigO asked questions about it and expressed what they believe (nobody got mad)
-you asked several questions and I answered them. I thought we were having a decent exchange and even called you Brother. You responded by calling me a liar and became obstinate. Even BigO commented on how you’re behaving like a 3rd grader.
- Evne Louder thought your response to me was funny. I stopped answering and started asking. You said some thing about moving goal posts. (I’m not trying to convert you. If you disagree with me then I’m ok with it).
-I prompted a link of things I disagree with to get the discussion going again. You butted in once again. If you can’t discuss things without getting mad then maybe this isn’t the place for you.

Look at the OP.
From the very beginning of this thread I’ve asked for opinions from people I disagree with. Nobody is mad here but you. I do that to learn others perspective and sharpen what I believe.

Again this probably isn’t the thread for you.
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Orangeslice13 said:
Lol
And here you are again

-Nobody is trying to convert you.
-The conversation you jumped into was a statement I made regarding what I believe when asked by BigO. I’ve been clear at Least 100 times that I’m ok if you don’t agree.
- several people like Rex and BigO asked questions about it and expressed what they believe (nobody got mad)
-you asked several questions and I answered them. I thought we were having a decent exchange and even called you Brother. You responded by calling me a liar and became obstinate. Even BigO commented on how you’re behaving like a 3rd grader.
- Evne Louder thought your response to me was funny. I stopped answering and started asking. You said some thing about moving goal posts. (I’m not trying to convert you. If you disagree with me then I’m ok with it).
-I prompted a link of things I disagree with to get the discussion going again. You butted in once again. If you can’t discuss things without getting mad then maybe this isn’t the place for you.

Look at the OP.
From the very beginning of this thread I’ve asked for opinions from people I disagree with. Nobody is mad here but you. I do that to learn others perspective and sharpen what I believe.

Again this probably isn’t the thread for you.
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I've gone back and re-read through this thread multiple times. One, I didn't call you a liar. Two, you never answered my question. Asking a question is not answering a question. I never said you were trying to convert anyone.

Mad? I honestly don't know where you are getting this ****?

Frustrated from the way you're attempting to frame this? You bet. But mad? Don't flatter yourself. I was going to message you on FB, but apparently you blocked me.
 
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Roustabout said:
I've gone back and re-read through this thread multiple times. One, I didn't call you a liar. Two, you never answered my question. Asking a question is not answering a question. I never said you were trying to convert anyone.

Mad? I honestly don't know where you are getting this ****?

Frustrated from the way you're attempting to frame this? You bet. But mad? Don't flatter yourself. I was going to message you on FB, but apparently you blocked me.
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Oh, snap!

(I think he's mad that you said he's not a Jew.)
 
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Roustabout said:
Actually, do me a favor. Give me an honest 3rd party assessment and let me know if I'm missing something here.
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I humbly decline, as Slice won't consider my assessment to be honest. I broke religious talks with him soon after he called me a piece of **** and hinted at my inability to comprehend scripture.

That showed me that any discussion was useless.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I humbly decline, as Slice won't consider my assessment to be honest. I broke religious talks with him soon after he called me a piece of **** and hinted at my inability to comprehend scripture.

That showed me that any discussion was useless.
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I don’t respond well to being misrepresented or being called dishonest.
‘Tis true
 
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