D4H's 2017 NFL Draft Review (Best Picks, Best Drafts, and Predictions)

#1,102
#1,102
NashVol11 said:
My 2 cents, as someone who follows the NFL closely (but is humble enough not to create a new thread for each thought I have):

I also don't trust Goff, he still has a long way to go.

Hunt is pretty good, but not star quality. He's not as good as people thought he was early in the year, and he's not as good as Kamara.

Bosa is a very good player. I also saw some people I trusted (not D4H) that thought he'd be a bust, but he's been very good since he's entered the league and looks like a perennial Pro Bowler.
Click to expand...

In regard to Goff I'm not sure how good he'll ultimately be but "you know who" said he'd be an epic bust. With that bar being set where it is being a solid NFL performer is plenty. Actually, it's pretty damn hard to be even that when you think about it.

With any rookie it's a matter of definition that the sample size is on the small side but Hunt is the league's #2 rusher and is averaging a full ypc more than the #1 rusher. (Bell) He's also 2nd in the league in runs of over 20y. (L McCoy) He catches enough passes to be #3 in yards from scrimmage for RB as well. We'll see about the long term but there's no arguing his opening salvo has been impressive.

There's simply no getting around what Bosa's accomplished.
 
Last edited:
#1,103
#1,103
hndog609 said:
In regard to Goff I'm not sure how good he'll ultimately be but "you know who" said he'd be an epic bust. With that bar being set where it is being a solid NFL performer is plenty. Actually, it's pretty damn hard to be even that when you think about it.

With any rookie it's a matter of definition that the sample size is on the small side but Hunt is the league's #2 rusher and is averaging a full ypc more than the #1 rusher. (Bell) He's also 2nd in the league in runs of over 20y. (L McCoy) He catches enough passes to be #3 in yards from scrimmage for RB as well. We'll see about the long term but there's no arguing his opening salvo has been impressive.

There's simply no getting around what Bosa's accomplished.
Click to expand...

I thought Goff would be a bust too, but he's been decent. I think the numbers for both he and Hunt have been better than their actual level of play.

My list of RBs with star potential includes Bell, D. Johnson, Gurley, Elliott, Fournette, Kamara, McCoy (but he's getting old), and Melvin Gordon (who probably has a lower YPC than Hunt, which is why YPC can be misleading). Maybe Devonta Freeman.

Guys like Hunt, Jordan Howard, and Ingram have been really productive at times, and they're good, but I don't think they make that list. Hunt is probably the best of these three, though, and may be in the next tier after those top guys along with Carlos Hyde and a few others. Mixon is really good too, but hard to say how good because his line is trash. I suspect he may be better than Hunt, but I don't want to start sounding like D4H.

JMO
 
#1,104
#1,104
NashVol11 said:
Just saw that Fournette wasn't on the list. What the actual f***. Never "scout" players again, lol. That guy is a freak and has been since he got to LSU.
Click to expand...

He’s had a big hand in Jax turnaround a long with moster defense

Since starting 4-3 they’ve been kicking ass
 
#1,107
#1,107
NashVol11 said:
I thought Goff would be a bust too, but he's been decent. I think the numbers for both he and Hunt have been better than their actual level of play.

My list of RBs with star potential includes Bell, D. Johnson, Gurley, Elliott, Fournette, Kamara, McCoy (but he's getting old), and Melvin Gordon (who probably has a lower YPC than Hunt, which is why YPC can be misleading). Maybe Devonta Freeman.

Guys like Hunt, Jordan Howard, and Ingram have been really productive at times, and they're good, but I don't think they make that list. Hunt is probably the best of these three, though, and may be in the next tier after those top guys along with Carlos Hyde and a few others. Mixon is really good too, but hard to say how good because his line is trash. I suspect he may be better than Hunt, but I don't want to start sounding like D4H.

JMO
Click to expand...

I try to avoid getting overly enthusiastic with attributing things in a gray area. We'll certainly see what Hunt does moving forward but his productivity simply is what it is in the here and now at the highest level of competition. Same with Goff really. Sort of the "You are what your record says you are." thing...if you're getting it done you're getting it done.
 
#1,109
#1,109
hndog609 said:
I try to avoid getting overly enthusiastic with attributing things in a gray area. We'll certainly see what Hunt does moving forward but his productivity simply is what it is in the here and now at the highest level of competition. Same with Goff really. Sort of the "You are what your record says you are." thing...if you're getting it done you're getting it done.
Click to expand...

Certainly can't fault anyone for having that outlook. I have a few guys where I think it diverges (Keenum, Bortles, Funchess, etc.) but it's hard to speak in too many absolutes when it comes to the NFL--as much as D4H tries to make a living of it.
 
#1,110
#1,110
NashVol11 said:
Von Miller also goes up against right tackles, almost exclusively. He's still a monster. Studs are studs.
Click to expand...

So basically weak side DEs who are usually the best pass rushers tend to attack the weak side

DH4 just made a retarded attempt to knock Bosa who has been fantastic up to this point in his career which leaves him very little ammo in trying to prove how he’s right
 
Last edited:
#1,111
#1,111
BIG BOI 23 said:
So basically weak side DEs who are usually the best pass rushers tend to attack the weak side

DH4 just made a retarded attempt to knock Bosa who has been fantastic up to this point in his career which leaves him very little ammo in trying to prove how he’s right
Click to expand...

Absolutely true .. as much as I hate OSUck, Bosa is getting it done right now and D4Hs argument that its because of the Right Tackle thing shows a complete lack of knowledge about line play. Maybe the Right Tackle is better, maybe he isn't, but either way, WDE is often your best pass rusher. Not to bring up a sore subject with you BIG BOI but that's why Jarvis Jones was ALWAYS on the right tackle in the Florida games he was in.
 
#1,112
#1,112
bamawriter said:
Says the guy who used the terms "Pro Bowl Talent" or "Pro Bowl Potential" 76 times in just the first post of this thread.
Click to expand...

If you go back to where that line of argument began, is whether Alabama has produced many SUPERSTAR players in the NFL since Saban took over? I said no. I said Julio Jones is the only true SUPERSTAR to come out from Alabama since Saban took over. Others disagreed and said there were more superstars and cited the guys selected to pro bowls. I then said making the pro bowl doesn't make you a SUPERSTAR player in the NFL since so many guys make it each year. The All-Pro teams are better for judging who are the real superstars of the NFL.

Nothing about that is inconsistent with me saying 70 something players in the 2017 draft have the potential to become pro bowlers. If anything the fact I said so many of those guys had the potential to become pro bowlers supports my view that it really isn't all that special of a designation. If you noticed the guys I said would be All-Pros was much less and that is because I view them to be the real stars of the draft class.
 
Last edited:
#1,113
#1,113
NashVol11 said:
My 2 cents, as someone who follows the NFL closely (but is humble enough not to create a new thread for each thought I have):

I also don't trust Goff, he still has a long way to go.

Hunt is pretty good, but not star quality. He's not as good as people thought he was early in the year, and he's not as good as Kamara.

Bosa is a very good player. I also saw some people I trusted (not D4H) that thought he'd be a bust, but he's been very good since he's entered the league and looks like a perennial Pro Bowler.
Click to expand...

Good post.

I said during the whole Kareem Hunt craze to start the year that he was good but not great.

People just get infutuated with what they are last. Its called a recency bias. I try my best to not let recency bias cloud my judgment. And that is why I get attacked so much.

I'm more than happy to say I was wrong about Joey Bosa if he's still a pro bowl caliber player in 2020.
 
#1,114
#1,114
NashVol11 said:
Just saw that Fournette wasn't on the list. What the actual f***. Never "scout" players again, lol. That guy is a freak and has been since he got to LSU.
Click to expand...

I don't include guys who are drafted high in the first round that I don't believe will become star players.

I think Fournette is an above average NFL player. If he got drafted in the 4th round like Tarik Cohen I would be touting him. But he went 4th overall. Its expected that he's at least average.
 
#1,115
#1,115
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If you go back to where that line of argument began, is whether Alabama has produced many SUPERSTAR players in the NFL since Saban took over? I said no. I said Julio Jones is the only true SUPERSTAR to come out from Alabama since Saban took over. Others disagreed and said there were more superstars and cited the guys selected to pro bowls. I then said making the pro bowl doesn't make you a SUPERSTAR player in the NFL since so many guys make it each year. The All-Pro teams are better for judging who are the real superstars of the NFL.

Nothing about that is inconsistent with me saying certain 70 something players in the 2017 drafr have the potential to become pro bowlers. If anything the fact I said so many of those guys had the potential to become oro bowlers supports my view that it isn't really all that special of a designation. If you noticed the guys I said would be All-Pros was much less and that is because I view them to be the real stars of the draft class.
Click to expand...

Portable Goalposts (copyright MMXVII D4H)
 
#1,116
#1,116
NashVol11 said:
Dobbs over Deshaun Watson? Conner over Mixon? Matt Breida and Perine over Fournette? Lattimore nowhere in the top 10 CBs when he's the best one? Jesus.
Click to expand...

Dobbs is more talented and durable than Watson.

Conner is a Hall of Fame talent. Mixon is just another Corey Dillon. Really really good not HOF caliber.

Lattimore has durability issues. My concerns about him were related to that. Based on talent I would have rated him in the top 3 after Sutton and Humphrey.
 
#1,117
#1,117
NashVol11 said:
No one is "prone" to tear their ACL on a non-contact injury in practice, wtf
Click to expand...

Yes they are when they've had 2 previous non-contact knee injuries. Watson injured his knee in high school causing him to miss the end of his senior year. And he tore his ACL as a true freshmen at Clemson.

When the same thing keeps happening, you're prone to it.
 
#1,118
#1,118
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
If you go back to where that line of argument began, is whether Alabama has produced many SUPERSTAR players in the NFL since Saban took over? I said no. I said Julio Jones is the only true SUPERSTAR to come out from Alabama since Saban took over. Others disagreed and said there were more superstars and cited the guys selected to pro bowls. I then said making the pro bowl doesn't make you a SUPERSTAR player in the NFL since so many guys make it each year. The All-Pro teams are better for judging who are the real superstars of the NFL.

Nothing about that is inconsistent with me saying 70 something players in the 2017 draft have the potential to become pro bowlers. If anything the fact I said so many of those guys had the potential to become pro bowlers supports my view that it really isn't all that special of a designation. If you noticed the guys I said would be All-Pros was much less and that is because I view them to be the real stars of the draft class.
Click to expand...

Landon Collins was an All-Pro who had a good argument for DPOY, C.J. Mosley could very well be an All-Pro this year. Amari Cooper may not be a superstar yet, but he's really really good
 
#1,119
#1,119
NashVol11 said:
Landon Collins was an All-Pro who had a good argument for DPOY, C.J. Mosley could very well be an All-Pro this year. Amari Cooper may not be a superstar yet, but he's really really good
Click to expand...

Landon Collins had a fluke season where he got a bunch of turnovers. Unless you're Ed Reed, those type of seasons are rarely repeated. Mosley is above average. Amari Cooper is incredible average.

Julio Jones is the only truly great NFL player produced by Saban at Alabama.
 
#1,121
#1,121
Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Landon Collins had a fluke season where he got a bunch of turnovers. Unless you're Ed Reed, those type of seasons are rarely repeated. Mosley is above average. Amari Cooper is incredible average.

Julio Jones is the only truly great NFL player produced by Saban at Alabama.
Click to expand...

Meh, you're underselling all 3 and you know it. By your standard, basically no school has been churning out superstars especially since 2007. Even LSU, which has probably been the best NFL factory recently, can only really claim Peterson and Beckham as "superstars" in that time frame. Collins is probably better than Honey Badger, Mosley is as good as Kwon Alexander, and Fournette is great but you think he's mediocre.
 
#1,122
#1,122
n_huffhines said:
Lol. 80 something? You realize there are like 1,700 NFL players, right? Top 80 is the top 95th percentile
Click to expand...

Beat me to it, lol!!! I was just thinking so there are 55 players on active rosters x 32 teams equals 1,760 players. So let's say that 90 players make Pro-Bowl rosters, that means the "it's not that big of a deal" argument goes out the window when that makes you among the top 5% of all players in the NFL. Seems like a pretty big deal to me.
 
#1,123
#1,123
Lol at amari cooper being average he’s been a beast since his days at northwestern and has put up bif numbers in college and the nfl

Was probably one of the best college receivers of all time. At least in recent memory. I know he came within a td or 2 of passing chris doering’s SEC rec touchdown record of 31
 
Last edited:
#1,124
#1,124
BIG BOI 23 said:
Lol at amari cooper being average he’s been a beast since his days at northwestern and has put up bif numbers in college and the nfl

Was probably one of the best college receivers of all time. At least in recent memory. I know he came within a td or 2 of passing chris doering’s SEC rec touchdown record of 31
Click to expand...

Yeah, just a couple of measly thousand yard seasons in his first two years in the League .. been down a bit this year but probably from battling through some injuries.
 
#1,125
#1,125
TDawg said:
Yeah, just a couple of measly thousand yard seasons in his first two years in the League .. been down a bit this year but probably from battling through some injuries.
Click to expand...

I’m starting to think d4h maybe a troll nobody is this stupid he just loves all the posts in his thread whether he looks like he has half a brain or not
 
New posts
You must log in or register to reply here.
Advertisement





Back
Top