D4H's 2017 NFL Draft Review (Best Picks, Best Drafts, and Predictions)

[Burger]

No I wasn't. I made it very clear that the 2016 draft was a WEAK draft. Just because I thought Hogan was the 2nd best QB prospect that year and Taylor the 2nd best RB prospect doesn't mean I projected them to be stars. They were simply the best choices of a very underwhelming group.

2017 draft was the complete opposite. That was a loaded year with many future superstars to choose from. That is why I had so many comps to Hall of Famers in the 2017 draft while I only compared Ezekiel Elliott to a Hall of Famer in the 2016 draft.

Every draft isn't the same. Some years are better than others. Some years are worse. 2016 just happened to be an all-time weak draft while 2017 was all-time strong draft.

I told you many times that Kelvin Taylor wouldn't have been a top 10 rated RB in the 2017 draft eventhough I still like him as the second best RB in the 2016 class.

The second best running back in any draft will at least stay with that team for more than 6 months....

You love moving those goalposts!

 

[FleeceItOut]

Per usual, this thread is always good for a laugh. 😂

 

[bamawriter]

Really? Are you honestly going to sit there and pretend that you did nothing more than compare those guys to their contemporaries? Are you going to tell the truth, or am I going to copy and paste and let your own words make you a liar?

 

[hndog609]

No I wasn't. I made it very clear that the 2016 draft was a WEAK draft. Just because I thought Hogan was the 2nd best QB prospect that year and Taylor the 2nd best RB prospect doesn't mean I projected them to be stars. They were simply the best choices of a very underwhelming group.

2017 draft was the complete opposite. That was a loaded year with many future superstars to choose from. That is why I had so many comps to Hall of Famers in the 2017 draft while I only compared Ezekiel Elliott to a Hall of Famer in the 2016 draft.

Every draft isn't the same. Some years are better than others. Some years are worse. 2016 just happened to be an all-time weak draft while 2017 was all-time strong draft.

I told you many times that Kelvin Taylor wouldn't have been a top 10 rated RB in the 2017 draft eventhough I still like him as the second best RB in the 2016 class.

Dear God this is such garbage. You compared Taylor to Frank Gore and made these observations.

"Guys like Elliott and Kelvin Taylor can make 2 or 3 cuts and still out their foot in the ground and explode through the hole."

"Kelvin Taylor is pretty good as well. Same with Jonathan Williams. Both will be solid starting RBs in the league."

I'm sure there's more but this is plenty. Upshot is there is WAY more than enough to show your "eye" giving props to one guy that's washed out with four different teams and another that's on his 3rd team and with 94 yards at 3.5ypc.

And forget Hogan/Hackenberg being stars, you still threw props at a couple guys that by any conceivable definition of the word are gold plated busts.

 

[RDU VOL#14]

I'm guessing you were also 90% sure Alvin Kamara wouldn't be the next Marshall Faulk either like I predicted.

You lot will be agreeing with me soon enough on Dobbs and Sutton like y'all are now when it comes to Alvin.

Alvin better hope hope he's not the next Marshall Faulk after today.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Dear God this is such garbage. You compared Taylor to Frank Gore and made these observations.

"Guys like Elliott and Kelvin Taylor can make 2 or 3 cuts and still out their foot in the ground and explode through the hole."

"Kelvin Taylor is pretty good as well. Same with Jonathan Williams. Both will be solid starting RBs in the league."

I'm sure there's more but this is plenty. Upshot is there is WAY more than enough to show your "eye" giving props to one guy that's washed out with four different teams and another that's on his 3rd team and with 94 yards at 3.5ypc.

And forget Hogan/Hackenberg being stars, you still threw props at a couple guys that by any conceivable definition of the word are gold plated busts.

Being a solid starter isn't being a star. The guy said I was touting those guys. Nope. Saying a player is a solid starter isn't touting them.

When I tout someone, it's comparing them to a Hall of Famer like Marshall Faulk which is what I did with Alvin.

2016 draft was all-time weak. The only players I truly LOVED were Ezekiel Elliott and Sterling Sherpard.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Alvin better hope hope he's not the next Marshall Faulk after today.

I'm only comparing guys abilities on the field. I don't get into the off field stuff.

 

[bamawriter]

Being a solid starter isn't being a star. The guy said I was touting those guys. Nope. Saying a player is a solid starter isn't touting them.

When I tout someone, it's comparing them to a Hall of Famer like Marshall Faulk which is what I did with Alvin.

2016 draft was all-time weak. The only players I truly LOVED were Ezekiel Elliott and Sterling Sherpard.

It takes a special person to flat-out lie about his own statments that are in writing and can be easily found on the same forum.

 

[hndog609]

Being a solid starter isn't being a star. The guy said I was touting those guys. Nope. Saying a player is a solid starter isn't touting them.

When I tout someone, it's comparing them to a Hall of Famer like Marshall Faulk which is what I did with Alvin.

2016 draft was all-time weak. The only players I truly LOVED were Ezekiel Elliott and Sterling Sherpard.

How marvelously intellectually disingenuous. (and pure undiluted bovine excrement) Once again you're left trying to unhappen something you can't otherwise defend. In fact let's throw in another Taylor quote.

"He's got a great initial acceleration, great cutting ability, and good vision. He'll be a really good NFL RB. Similar to Frank Gore."

While it's amusing to watch you dance you've boxed yourself in. Your inescapable history is awash with failure. You're left with hypothetical transitive speculation, (some other player did something once) citing outliers ad nauseum, (but, but, Brady) kicking the can down the road (I'm not wrong, I'm just praying reality will at some point quit making me look that way) or trying to somehow present the idea that getting anything right (being high on Kamara) magically restores your credibility in spite of all the misses. Thinking anybody actually buys any of this snake oil is the biggest swing and miss of them all.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

It takes a special person to flat-out lie about his own statments that are in writing and can be easily found on the same forum.

Please state where I lied? I called both Kelvin Taylor and Jonathan Williams SOLID STARTERS. I never proclaimed either to become stars. The only guys I felt would be stars from the 2016 draft on offense were Ezekiel Elliott and Sterling Shepard. I didn't even say that about Carson Wentz (who I had rated as my #1 QB in the class). If you notice, I don't talk much about Wentz and pat myself on the back because I never thought he would develop into a star. I thought he would just be an average player. He was only #1 in my QB rankings because the class was so weak.

If you think I touted Kelvin Taylor and Jonathan Williams as stars then I guess you should give me credit for predicting the greatness of Carson Wentz since I had him ranked as my #1 QB in the 2016 draft. :good!:

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

And for the record, I have predicted 7 Hall of Famers will come from the 2017 Draft:

QB Joshua Dobbs (Steelers)
RB Alvin Kamara (Saints)
RB James Conner (Steelers)
WR Corey Davis (Titans)
DE Myles Garrett (Browns)
LB Dylan Cole (Texans)
CB Cam Sutton (Steelers)

Compare that to the 2016 Draft where I only predicted 1 future Hall of Famer:

RB Ezekiel Elliott (Cowboys)

With regard to the 2018 Draft, I currently have 4 future Hall of Famers coming from that class:

QB Sam Darnold (USC)
RB Saquon Barkley (Penn State)
WR Antonio Callaway (Florida)
S Derwin James (Florida State)

That should tell you the difference between drafts when it comes to talent.

 

[TDawg]

Per usual, this thread is always good for a laugh. 😂

That's why I read it and a few others started the same way. It's like a football version of The Onion. Only difference is at least the writers on The Onion know what they write is satirical and that believing any of it would be an act of lunacy.

 

[bamawriter]

Please state where I lied? I called both Kelvin Taylor and Jonathan Williams SOLID STARTERS.

Regarding Taylor you used adjectives like "impressive, good, great, amazing."

But even if you said nothing more than he'd be a solid starter that would make you...

C'mon. You know the word.

 

[hndog609]

I called both Kelvin Taylor and Jonathan Williams SOLID STARTERS.

Setting aside your actually saying more than that regarding Taylor (see your Gore quote above) we still have this extremely clear and simple fact; your "eye" totally busted on this prediction. One guy that can't even make a practice squad after 4 teams and another that is clinging to the bench on his 3rd team with 94 career yards falls waaaaaaaaaay short of what you posited. Other easily cited examples.

Not only was Taylor supposed to be better than a complete failure but he was specifically stated to have a better career than Derrick Henry. This supposed bust currently has the 4th highest ypc for any RB with at least 100 carries. Fail

Goff was supposed to be a bust. Regardless of your flailing around like Bambi on the frozen pond in the right here/right now that prediction is a total fail.

Bosa was supposed to be a bust. In reality from day one Bosa has been nothing short of spectacular. DROTY and already has his jersey in Canton as literally nobody in the history of the league got more sacks through 20 games. Fail

Predicted bust for Deforest Buckner. Buckner is the 3rd leading tackler among DT's in the league. Fail

Called Hogan and Hackenberg the #2 and #3 best QB's in the draft. Weak class or not that's a prediction of some success and at an absolute minimum more than anyone else in that weak class. Goff and Prescott are monstering that at the moment obviously. Jacoby Brissett is way out in front as is Cody Kessler. Fail

Aside from Kamara your entire list of this years Pro Bowl talent RB's has a combined average of 3.7ypc. Looking very poor at best.

Rookie RB that did NOT make that list, Hunt/Fournette/Cook, have averaged 4.5ypc. Fail

It goes on and on of course. There's no reason to believe you know anything more than almost anyone with even a passing interest in the game. That's a direct and empirical observation derived from straight up comparison to predictions vs vettable reality. It is what it is. (though it can be funny to see you moving goal posts, if not entire stadiums, attempting to obfuscate that fact)

 

[TDawg]

Setting aside your actually saying more than that regarding Taylor (see your Gore quote above) we still have this extremely clear and simple fact; your "eye" totally busted on this prediction. One guy that can't even make a practice squad after 4 teams and another that is clinging to the bench on his 3rd team with 94 career yards falls waaaaaaaaaay short of what you posited. Other easily cited examples.

Not only was Taylor supposed to be better than a complete failure but he was specifically stated to have a better career than Derrick Henry. This supposed bust currently has the 4th highest ypc for any RB with at least 100 carries. Fail

Goff was supposed to be a bust. Regardless of your flailing around like Bambi on the frozen pond in the right here/right now that prediction is a total fail.

Bosa was supposed to be a bust. In reality from day one Bosa has been nothing short of spectacular. DROTY and already has his jersey in Canton as literally nobody in the history of the league got more sacks through 20 games. Fail

Predicted bust for Deforest Buckner. Buckner is the 3rd leading tackler among DT's in the league. Fail

Called Hogan and Hackenberg the #2 and #3 best QB's in the draft. Weak class or not that's a prediction of some success and at an absolute minimum more than anyone else in that weak class. Goff and Prescott are monstering that at the moment obviously. Jacoby Brissett is way out in front as is Cody Kessler. Fail

Aside from Kamara your entire list of this years Pro Bowl talent RB's has a combined average of 3.7ypc. Looking very poor at best.

Rookie RB that did NOT make that list, Hunt/Fournette/Cook, have averaged 4.5ypc. Fail

It goes on and on of course. There's no reason to believe you know anything more than almost anyone with even a passing interest in the game. That's a direct and empirical observation derived from straight up comparison to predictions vs vettable reality. It is what it is. (though it can be funny to see you moving goal posts, if not entire stadiums, attempting to obfuscate that fact)

Kamara has been pretty awesome but D4H is NOT the only one who had spoke highly of AK coming into the draft. But why are his spectacular start numbers so HoF worthy in year one but Bosa is just getting lucky already doing it again in his second year? I wanted him to suck just because he was a stinking SuckEye from OSUck but that hasn't been the case. Credit where credit is due in my opinion.

 

[BIG BOI 23]

I would beg to differ.

So you do actually think your some amazing talent scout? Lol

 

[LouderVol]

D4H is the marksman who fires 10 shots, misses the target completely on 9 of them, and gets a bullseye at 7 yards with the tenth. He then trys to pretend he didn't take the 9 shots, only the 1.

 

[The Ron Mexico]

This just in: D4H is picking Peyton Manning to be an NFL Hall of Famer.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Setting aside your actually saying more than that regarding Taylor (see your Gore quote above) we still have this extremely clear and simple fact; your "eye" totally busted on this prediction. One guy that can't even make a practice squad after 4 teams and another that is clinging to the bench on his 3rd team with 94 career yards falls waaaaaaaaaay short of what you posited. Other easily cited examples.

Not only was Taylor supposed to be better than a complete failure but he was specifically stated to have a better career than Derrick Henry. This supposed bust currently has the 4th highest ypc for any RB with at least 100 carries. Fail

Goff was supposed to be a bust. Regardless of your flailing around like Bambi on the frozen pond in the right here/right now that prediction is a total fail.

Bosa was supposed to be a bust. In reality from day one Bosa has been nothing short of spectacular. DROTY and already has his jersey in Canton as literally nobody in the history of the league got more sacks through 20 games. Fail

Predicted bust for Deforest Buckner. Buckner is the 3rd leading tackler among DT's in the league. Fail

Called Hogan and Hackenberg the #2 and #3 best QB's in the draft. Weak class or not that's a prediction of some success and at an absolute minimum more than anyone else in that weak class. Goff and Prescott are monstering that at the moment obviously. Jacoby Brissett is way out in front as is Cody Kessler. Fail

Aside from Kamara your entire list of this years Pro Bowl talent RB's has a combined average of 3.7ypc. Looking very poor at best.

Rookie RB that did NOT make that list, Hunt/Fournette/Cook, have averaged 4.5ypc. Fail

It goes on and on of course. There's no reason to believe you know anything more than almost anyone with even a passing interest in the game. That's a direct and empirical observation derived from straight up comparison to predictions vs vettable reality. It is what it is. (though it can be funny to see you moving goal posts, if not entire stadiums, attempting to obfuscate that fact)

First of all, we're less than a year into the class of 2017 and only one year and then some into the class of 2016. Lotta time left.

You weren't saying anything about Jared Goff last year. He has a lucky year this season and you're beating your chest. I'm 100% confident he'll return back to bust status this year after this fluke season.

I've already admitted I missed on Dak Prescott and Christian Hackenberg. I never said I expected to get EVERYTHING right. Especially when it came to the class of 2016 where I didn't put as much scouting effort as I did 2017.

Why not include Alvin that ypc average? Maybe it's because there isn't much of a difference between 3.7 and 4.5 once Alvin's 7.0 is thrown in.

Patience caterpillar. The class of 2017 will blossom fully over the next 2 years. That is when I expect my genius to be at it's peak. And I expect an apology from you ever questioning me.

 

[Dobbs 4 Heisman]

Kamara has been pretty awesome but D4H is NOT the only one who had spoke highly of AK coming into the draft. But why are his spectacular start numbers so HoF worthy in year one but Bosa is just getting lucky already doing it again in his second year? I wanted him to suck just because he was a stinking SuckEye from OSUck but that hasn't been the case. Credit where credit is due in my opinion.

Stop saying that. I said he would be a Hall of Famer with a game most similar to Marshall Faulk. Nobody else was saying that.

Its easy to say someone will be good. Its another to say he'll be a Hall of Famer and then in year 1 have the guy put up HISTORIC numbers.

I was the ONLY person who saw the level of success Alvin is having right now. The only one.

 

[Burger]

First of all, we're less than a year into the class of 2017 and only one year and then some into the class of 2016. Lotta time left.

You weren't saying anything about Jared Goff last year. He has a lucky year this season and you're beating your chest. I'm 100% confident he'll return back to bust status this year after this fluke season.

I've already admitted I missed on Dak Prescott and Christian Hackenberg. I never said I expected to get EVERYTHING right. Especially when it came to the class of 2016 where I didn't put as much scouting effort as I did 2017.

Why not include Alvin that ypc average? Maybe it's because there isn't much of a difference between 3.7 and 4.5 once Alvin's 7.0 is thrown in.

Patience caterpillar. The class of 2017 will blossom fully over the next 2 years. That is when I expect my genius to be at it's peak. And I expect an apology from you ever questioning me.

10% is very genius.

 

[BIG BOI 23]

You’d think kamara ran for 2000 yds already lol

His ypc is very good but he has 600 rush yds I mean come on

And yes I know he has another 600 rec but still the way you talk it’s a bit much

 

[hndog609]

First of all, we're less than a year into the class of 2017 and only one year and then some into the class of 2016. Lotta time left.

When you're already putting Alvin (nevermind others that have yet to play a snap) in the HOF you don't get to talk &*$% about patience.

You weren't saying anything about Jared Goff last year. He has a lucky year this season and you're beating your chest. I'm 100% confident he'll return back to bust status this year after this fluke season.

Onus of evidence is on you Jack. I don't have a skin in the game with Goff's success one way or the other. The stone cold fact is Goff is currently playing at a level that makes your prediction look foolish. It's not up for debate and you don't get credit for something that hasn't happened yet. Unless and until Goff faceplants...you're gnawing crow.

I've already admitted I missed on Dak Prescott and Christian Hackenberg. I never said I expected to get EVERYTHING right. Especially when it came to the class of 2016 where I didn't put as much scouting effort as I did 2017.

Why not include Alvin that ypc average? Maybe it's because there isn't much of a difference between 3.7 and 4.5 once Alvin's 7.0 is thrown in.

Are you this obtuse? We've all, quite happily for most actually, accepted that Kamara is balling out right now. That leaves 6 players you've assigned Pro Bowl level talent at RB for this year. At this point they're a combined 3.7ypc. That's not impressive, particularly since, as pointed out, backs you left off the list are doing better.

Patience caterpillar. The class of 2017 will blossom fully over the next 2 years. That is when I expect my genius to be at it's peak. And I expect an apology from you ever questioning me.

Again, when your idea of "patience" is running to the keyboard and typing out praise for Kamara so hard your finger's bleed everybody else gets make fun of you talking patience. Besides, if I (and most others here) were really hell bent on giving you immediate grief I'd be asking why the "Michael Jordan of QB's" hasn't even moved up to the #2 spot. Or the "next Revis" isn't an instant starter as soon as he was healthy enough to play. Hell, I haven't even brought up that Garrett is tied for 32nd in sacks and 97th in combined tackles for DL. (oh, maybe I just did, anyway) It's completely fair to hold off on Dobbs for riding the bench for now and Sutton for battling injury but make no mistake, we notice that you are ALL ABOUT immediately self-promoting anything that could possibly be construed as supporting your cause in the moment and kicking the can down the road if it doesn't.

And apologize for what? I'm pointing out pure and vettable facts where your predictions, which you are constantly referencing as coming from the eye of someone much more skilled than most (thanks for the laugh with "when I expect my genius to be at it's peak." btw) up to and including professionals in the field, have precious little to do with observable reality. If/when reality changes so will the observations.

 

[GAVol]

I never said I expected to get EVERYTHING right. Especially when it came to the class of 2016 where I didn't put as much scouting effort as I did 2017.

Scouting effort? Did YouTube experience an outage in 2016 or something. Sweet Jesus, that's unintentionally awesome. :lol:

I ❤ this thread.

 

[FleeceItOut]

Serious question D4H; how do you “scout?”