Official Jon Gruden Thread XLIX

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jamesthesame said:
It's going to get bumpy? Lol
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Looks like no news again tonight. I think I’m going to do something super classy like open a nice bottle of Pinot and watch Talladega Nights again.
 
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MACGRUDER said:
That was his stated purpose after it started looking less and less likely that Gruden was coming. You’re very eager to dismiss the “these people don’t miss” type statements as being more broad, or indicative of intention, than you likely should be. Likely because you want to believe him. And again, I fully get that. I wanted to believe him too, but whereas you approached his arrival with cautious optimism - willing to use reason (and you seem very reasonable) to justify his statements and overall narrative to fit some larger momentum in something we will very likely never know true, concrete details of - I approached his arrival with skeptical optimism (in the sense that what he was saying, I wanted said result but wouldn’t truly allow myself to believe what he was implying about himself and role).

It can be one or the other. It can also be a gray area like you said. But I was merely pointing out that extremes do exist in the situation and given what we’ve been given, one extreme is just as valid as the other at this point.
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What is your point about my treatment of the "these people don't miss" statement? I don't get it. I've maintained, throughout, that that statement (and the "done deal" statement) were 100% based in a game theory approach to the situation.

[EDIT: Also, he stated his purpose (to many, in confidence) well before any information regarding Gruden not coming was available. We were solidly on the Gruden train when that purpose was revealed.]

I also believe that Beavers primary intention was never to get Gruden (although that was certainly on the table and a likely secondary intention).

And, if you are admitting that equally valid extremes exist, then you have slipped into the crevasse of the logical absurdism. When you have opposite premises in logical proofs, you can insert any conclusion and maintain validity.

In this case, I think the only reasonable belief to form is one in the middle. You are welcome to take a side on an extreme, but admitting the equal likelihood of competing premises is a dangerous road.
 
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