Official Jon Gruden Thread XLIX

[Volontario]

Here is the difference between people like you and people like me. I see a problem and I actively try to fix it. You see a problem and you whine for someone else to step in and then continue to nag them while they are working. Try to be a problem solver and you may see better results.

Did your problem solving get the results you were after

 

[TechnoVol]

You would have Schiano right now and Currie still at the helm.

You said Currie would swoop in at the end and look like a hero. Call me crazy, but I don't see that happening now.

 

[RagingOrange]

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[volinSmyrna]

No offense (to many), but I don't see the cause for all the Beaver hate. The dude is not a magician.

If you don't understand why "these guys don't miss" and "done deal" were both reasonable statements at the time they were made, then I suggest going back to XX-XXIX.

The statements were always made with a view towards optimism and confidence. If you don't have both, you're never going to get a deal done. This is no different than sitting down at a poker table and believing that (1) you can't win and (2) you aren't lucky. If that's the case, just hand your money evenly to the other players at the table and go enjoy the dinner show.

Put that together with what AV said regarding not being able to just throw money at someone. If the guys put a deal together that complied with the terms and requests of the (any) whale, but were ultimately told "no" then there's no blame on the deal makers. You can't do more than make an offer that meets expectations, and hope the other party agrees. What would you expect, kidnapping and coach slavery?

To insinuate that Beaver didn't have a part in all this is ignorant (see, troglodyte). To believe he's a basement dweller is like leaving too many pegs on the triangle game at Cracker Barrel (ignoramus).

Did it play out the way he (we) wanted? Not yet. Does that mean he was fabricating everything? No.

Keep your d*mn vitriol to yourselves. We don't need that mess around here.

Exactly. These are 3 year olds that their mom tells them they are going to Wal-Mart to buy the Turbo Man doll. His mom has the money to buy Turbo Man and the willingness to do it. They get to the store and there are NO Turbo Man dolls. Instead of being angry with the producer and/or supplier of Turbo Man, these kids get angry and yell at their mom for not buying them one.

 

[Kid Deezy]

No offense (to many), but I don't see the cause for all the Beaver hate. The dude is not a magician.

If you don't understand why "these guys don't miss" and "done deal" were both reasonable statements at the time they were made, then I suggest going back to XX-XXIX.

The statements were always made with a view towards optimism and confidence. If you don't have both, you're never going to get a deal done. This is no different than sitting down at a poker table and believing that (1) you can't win and (2) you aren't lucky. If that's the case, just hand your money evenly to the other players at the table and go enjoy the dinner show.

Put that together with what AV said regarding not being able to just throw money at someone. If the guys put a deal together that complied with the terms and requests of the (any) whale, but were ultimately told "no" then there's no blame on the deal makers. You can't do more than make an offer that meets expectations, and hope the other party agrees. What would you expect, kidnapping and coach slavery?

To insinuate that Beaver didn't have a part in all this is ignorant (see, troglodyte). To believe he's a basement dweller is like leaving too many pegs on the triangle game at Cracker Barrel (ignoramus).

Did it play out the way he (we) wanted? Not yet. Does that mean he was fabricating everything? No.

Keep your d*mn vitriol to yourselves. We don't need that mess around here.

Don't tell me how to hate!

 

[RagingOrange]

Proves people need to stop tracking planes.

Ha I just said that! Great minds

 

[Nerwen Aldarion]

whos this guy?

Twitter

A sports journalist from San Diego it looks like

 

[Achilles]

What if they do wait until after the playoffs? Remember Gruden did say he has the utmost respect for other coaches. Is he wanting to allow them to get through the season before we drop the hammer?

 

[COOKEVOL]

Coach didn’t hire Clawson. He was pushed in by Haslam and Hamilton as the HC in waiting

So let me ask you this. Given that all we have heard about Haslam's input and chicanery over the years is true, is this simply Haslam's desire for control, or that he doesn't know jack **** about football, or both? I think I know the answer, but would appreciate your input.

 

[SmokinBob]

I will hold up my end of that bargain. Golf in the morning and a party that evening. Even the people angry at me are invited.

I'm not angry at you.

 

[CopperHead_Vol]

I'll bring the ammo

Sounds good, can you afford to feed the belt-fed? she is a hungry old gal.

Drunken, crazed VOL fans at a bonfire with high-power weapons.... now that sounds like a party to me, what could possibly go wrong?

Later,

CH_V

 

[Volgirl4u]

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WWWWHHHHHAAAATTTTTT? Boom

 

[superdave1984]

What if they do wait until after the playoffs? Remember Gruden did say he has the utmost respect for other coaches. Is he wanting to allow them to get through the season before we drop the hammer?

Uhhh....we already fired Butch. Nobody left here to worry about boss. Unless you mean any assistants he would want, but that wouldn't be reason to wait to announce the HC.

 

[Grand Vol]

I agree, but I don't think he had Leach. Maybe had him interested, but didn't have the deal done. Maybe had him listening.

And if I told you that interview wasn't for Leach, but rather for Currie?

 

[Rizzo924]

No one is at the podium.

Have you talked to your Homie? I miss seeing him on here!

 

[revjayp]

Pruitt?

Kacy Rodgers

 

[newyorkvol]

Exactly. These are 3 year olds that their mom tells them they are going to Wal-Mart to buy the Turbo Man doll. His mom has the money to buy Turbo Man and the willingness to do it. They get to the store and there are NO Turbo Man dolls. Instead of being angry with the producer and/or supplier of Turbo Man, these kids get angry and yell at their mom for not buying them one.

That’s a funny movie.

 

[SmokeyLives]

For those that really think Beaver/wormburner did us some great justice and became our social media warrior, you don’t really understand how Twitter works. Most of his tweets to start were protected lol. He was only visible to those who followed him! Please stop falling for trolls like this guy, he prays on your hope and BVS.

Shouldn’t you be takin some calls Pawwwlll?#boycottpilotflyingj

 

[superdave1984]

And if I told you that interview wasn't for Leach, but rather for Currie?

Given Currie knew he was a dead man walking, I would completely believe that.

 

[volinSmyrna]

You said Currie would swoop in at the end and look like a hero. Call me crazy, but I don't see that happening now.

That is the way they had the deal set up, if I understand correctly. Boosters did the leg work, and all Currie had to do was pick up the phone and call to close the deal. I think their one big mixup/oversight was taking Haslam/Currie for granted.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

So let me ask you this. Given that all we have heard about Haslam's input and chicanery over the years is true, is this simply Haslam's desire for control, or that he doesn't know jack **** about football, or both? I think I know the answer, but would appreciate your input.

opcorn:

 

[UTSuave’]

ER Vol, your text last night and my assumption of who it could be matches up with Trey’s new tweet.

🙄 Who...please

 

[Achilles]

Uhhh....we already fired Butch. Nobody left here to worry about boss. Unless you mean any assistants he would want, but that wouldn't be reason to wait to announce the HC.

Yes, I was talking about assistants. I’m just gonna continue to keep my tinfoil hat on...

 

[Lovesomebigorange]

Quoting this so I have it saved for about this time tomorrow.

Unfortunately he's about to hire his buddy Kevin freaking Steele just because he's a UT grad! Worst hire we could make-Phil is already failing as new AD.

 

[johnsonbrewer]

And just maybe you-know-who is still behind Curtain #1???

Let's open up that curtain! Show us what we've won, Jay!