Official Jon Gruden Thread XLV

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Originally Posted by UTVolinExile View Post
Guys, just FYI, Trey Wallace confirmed on Twitter earlier this morning that Gruden WAS privately offered. FWIW.

Then someone with "grapefruits as you guys say:)" that has enough clout should stand up and let the media know it! Most Vol fans don't even think Gruden was offered due to all the puppet media folk. If most Vol fans knew this was a fact they would be much more invikeved in forcing change. IMO
 
What if Currie just talks to Gruden and says, "Look I'm fired anyway. Come coach the Vols and I'll take any Haslam heat."

What new AD is gonna fire a Gruden, even at the bequest of the HOH?

Getting Gruden would be the only way Currie could even come close to saving face at this point. Still not gonna happen and he probably doesn't even realize that because he's a walking **** with ears.
 
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I don't disagree with anything you've said here, really. I'm holding out a little bit of Hope that the big donors who claim to oppose Haslam leadership can actually do something to get Currie out. If they can't, and he does make the higher, that's my cue to exit, stage left.

I hope that the two things being reported are true and won’t be swepted under the rug.

This Gruden thing needs to take off like a space ship and cgs needs to push and not settle.

Again if it’s all true
 
Let's question some things we have collectively taken as fact (or at least "likely") for the past few weeks...

There is a very real possibility that:

...Currie asked Gruden. Gruden flat-out said no.
...Currie asked Patterson, and Peterson. Both no.
...Currie asked a host of high-value targets, all of whom declined.
...Currie honestly thought Schiano was the best choice available (of course he wasn't, but we'll come back to that).
...Haslam hasn't said a word to Currie. Hasn't wielded any influence whatsoever.
...There is no booster power struggle. Or at least, none worth mentioning (we'll circle back to this, too).
...Ergen and other mega-boosters are not at all engaged. No one with a net worth above $10M, say.

Not saying all that is true. Not saying any of it is true. Only that it is all possible. That's how little we know about what's really going on.

We're standing on top of a 12-story house of playing cards, built slowly and methodically over several weeks by ourselves with help from a few friendly-seeming trolls.

Here's what little we do know:

--Currie really screwed up the Schiano thing. He is truly incompetent, arrogant, and a terrible communicator (see the OP of this thread for further explanation of those three charges: The Three Ways John Currie Failed in His Duties). He should be fired, even if he tried to contact all the white whales in the ocean.

--Atlanta Vol truly is connected to the university as a booster. That doesn't mean he's in the tier of boosters who would even remotely be able to challenge Haslam (or even get Haslam's attention), but he believed that he could. Whatever battle it was that he waged, it may have been significant or may have been a squib firing in the night. We simply don't know anything beyond that AV is a nice guy, and is a person with significant influence at the free-tickets level.

--Beav and Bubba may very well be AV employees, paid to play a role, to build support for something AV wanted to try. Even if it had zero chance at success. We don't know who they are. Only that they played a rabble-rousing role, and are unlikely ever to explain fully.

--All the other insiders are not truly insiders, they're people who know insiders, or people who know people who know insiders, and so their information is just as shaky as listening to Hyams or Basilio or Ainge. Not that they'er bad people, I like a lot of them...they just don't have very solid sources of info.

Anyway, sorry to be all negative, but it really is prudent to question everything we thought we knew.

Only one thing for certain: Currie needs to go. He's not up to the job.
 
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So what’s this mean?

It means what freaking everybody has been saying. A contingency of boosters were working with Gruden and getting an offer together and there was significant movement. Currie/Haslam wouldn't entertain it so as a pure power play, Haslam sent Currie to sign Schiano without a soul knowing. Now everything is on fire, no coach will accept, the only solution is firing Currie but the Haslams pretty much own the University.

Come on guys, this isn't hard. And it's not fantasy, it's ridiculous yes, but my god, this whole thing is ridiculous. We're watching something that should be a 30-for-30 if all the details were to emerge publicly.
 
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Guys, just FYI, Trey Wallace confirmed on Twitter earlier this morning that Gruden WAS privately offered. FWIW.

Good, now we can go about our lives and this thread can come to rest. Tn football is over and we won't win a game in the SEC for 3yrs. Congrats to Haslam, Currie, and Botch Jones for everything.
 
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Haslam and Currie acted beyond irrationally with Schiano. Hence why people even as powerful as Atlanta Vol were caught off guard. Haslam knows the massive financial impact but either doesn’t care or doesn’t comprehend (hard to tell which with him).

Did the secret recordings of Haslam teaching fraud released during court yesterday start tipping the scales against him?
 
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I just got an email response from David Golden. Anyone else? Slightly generic, but it's more than I've been getting, which was nothing.

I got a generic response at 10:39 am- probably a mass response. But it did address me by name, so they at least took the time to do an email merge of some sort. Very considerate of them :thud:
 
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I fully understand that everything looks bleak atm...

But there is no way whatsoever that Haslam was going to say "sure, hire whoever you like as coach."

Things were always going to get rough...
We were going to hit rock bottom and have people on the ledges.

But until Jon Gruden or his agent says that he is not interested...

He is DEFINITELY in play!!

I don't disagree with this. I just see diminishing probability that the conditions for Gruden to be hired actually occur.
 
If someone has proof that Gruden has been contacted, then why in the ten pound flying ****s are they not blasting it to the world? We are one step away from getting Dooley's cousin as our coach.
 
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. See attached

SENIOR STAFF (865) 974-1224
John Currie
Vice Chancellor/Director of Athletics
(865) 974-1224
athleticdirector@utk.edu
Reid Sigmon
Executive Associate Athletics Director/Chief Operating Officer
(865) 974-1224
rsigmon@utk.edu
Donna Thomas
Senior Associate Athletics Director/Senior Woman Administrator/Chief of Staff
(865) 974-8192
dthomas7@utk.edu
Angie Boyd-Keck
Associate Athletics Director for Finance & Sport Administration
(865) 974-6322
aboyd@utk.edu
Blair DeBord
Special Projects Manager/Assistant to the AD
(865) 974-1224
bdebord@tennessee.edu
Andrew Donovan
Associate Athletics Director for Compliance
(865) 974-9696
adonovan@utk.edu
David Elliott
Associate Athletics Director for Event Management
(865) 974-9276
delliott@tennessee.edu
Kurt Gulbrand
Senior Associate Athletics Director for Development
(865) 974-9510
kgulbrand@utk.edu
Brett Huebner
Senior Associate Athletics Director/Chief Financial Officer
(865) 974-6715

I just wanted to repost more options
 
It means what freaking everybody has been saying. A contingency of boosters were working with Gruden and getting an offer together and there was significant movement. Currie/Haslam wouldn't entertain it so as a pure power play, Haslam sent Currie to sign Schiano without a soul knowing. Now everything is on fire, no coach will accept, the only solution is firing Currie but the Haslams pretty much own the University.

Come on guys, this isn't hard. And it's not fantasy, it's ridiculous yes, but my god, this whole thing is ridiculous. We're watching something that should be a 30-for-30 if all the details were to emerge publicly.

Yep.
 
Again, if Gruden wanted the job all he would have to do is say so.

After Sunday, for Gruden or his agent to say he wants to talk to Tennessee about the head coach position and Currie still doesn't, that's about the only thing that might prove any of this.

Because what's changed? If the boosters had an agreement the job is still there. Nobody is hired. Gruden hasn't signed a new deal.(publically at least)

If Gruden to UT was true before it could still be just as true.

All it would take if for him to say so. But he isn't.
 
Again, if Gruden wanted the job all he would have to do is say so.

After Sunday, for Gruden or his agent to say he wants to talk to Tennessee about the head coach position and Currie still doesn't, that's about the only thing that might prove any of this.

Because what's changed? If the boosters had an agreement the job is still there. Nobody is hired. Gruden hasn't signed a new deal.(publically at least)

If Gruden to UT was true before it could still be just as true.

All it would take if for him to say so. But he isn't.

This is spot on. If he really wants this job so badly, all it would take would be for him to publicly say so right now. The public outcry would really give Currie no other option than to hire him for whatever price Gruden wanted, within any kind of reason.
 
I don't disagree with this. I just see diminishing probability that the conditions for Gruden to be hired actually occur.

It's human nature...
We have all been riding the roller coaster for sure the last few days.

But we were told it would get rough.
VERY rough.

I do know that Peyton Manning had Gruden ready to take the job in 2012.

And a lot of powerful people got on the same page for the next go round.

The fans are definitely helping.

There is a reason that Gruden nor his agent haven't distanced themselves publicly.
 
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