Official Jon Gruden Thread XLIV

[undertakervol]

Could be the info he got, could be how messed up things in the AD are, could be how close we came to a great hire only to have it nuked. Maybe all of the above.

He said in his post that Gruden had signed. Later said it made him vomit at what he heard.

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

Is it fact or speculation that Gruden signed an MOU?

Here’s my take...

No way in hell did a MOU get signed by anyone with authority to sign one only for those same people to go to Schiano. It’s plausible a MOU was executed with boosters and/or mediators and the Gruden camp. But makes zero sense that Currie is involved with Gruden, even gets a MOU executes, then decides Schiano is better and risks legal jeopardy. Makes absolutely zero sense.

 

[sona]

 

[UTVolinExile]

Is it fact or speculation that Gruden signed an MOU?

Depends on who you believe I suppose. Knuck and I, through different sources, have been saying that we believe Gruden signed an actual contract on the 14th. Believe us, or don't, that's the info we were told and that's what we brought here.

I've seen people here in the last hour yell at us for bringing the info, and then other people yell at knuck for NOT bringing info.

Knuck can speak for himself (when he wakes up) but I've said the exact same thing since the 14th. It is what it is, take it or leave it. Whether someone believes or thinks it's a huge troll isn't going to change what I was told and what I said here as a result.

 

[patrick]

You have no idea.

I am beginning to put two and two together.

#$@#

 

[Vol737]

What if hypothetically Gruden and UT executed a MOU or other agreement and he turned in his resignation to ESPN and was ending his contracts with his various endorsements??

What if hypothetically Schiano and UT executed a MOU or other agreement and he resigned from OSU??

So then we would be dealing with tortious interference of contract for Gruden agreement. Fraudulent inducement for Schiano and Gruden. Currie and UT AD and Admin could be on the hook for millions and millions of dollars in damages for both Gruden and Schiano. Fraud if proven can give rise to treble damages as pointed out by Exile as well as punitive damages. It is dizzying if you really think about it.

Now I have no idea what if anything was executed but if agreements were executed then this is going to get incredibly ugly and incredibly expensive. The Tennessee football program and Athletic Department would be FUBAR!

If that were to end up being the case, can you imagine the absolute toxic atmosphere among the major boosters? Currie would surely lose his job if not sued by the University for doing such a thing. Personally, and it's JMO, Gruden didn't sign anything so that's off the table. Schiano isn't out of a job at OSU so we may have to pay him something to go away. Ultimately, Currie has to be let go and Haslam has to be neutered by the rest of the boosters.

 

[Dudleys87]

Depends on who you believe I suppose. Knuck and I, through different sources, have been saying that we believe Gruden signed an actual contract on the 14th. Believe us, or don't, that's the info we were told and that's what we brought here.

I've seen people here in the last hour yell at us for bringing the info, and then other people yell at knuck for NOT bringing info.

Knuck can speak for himself (when he wakes up) but I've said the exact same thing since the 14th. It is what it is, take it or leave it. Whether someone believes or thinks it's a huge troll isn't going to change what I was told and what I said here as a result.

Gruden signed an agreement
Schiano signed an agreement which voided Gruden
Schiano backed out

Here we are?

 

[Lovesomebigorange]

He said in his post that Gruden had signed. Later said it made him vomit at what he heard.

Atlanta Vol you are the only person close enough to this- we need to know did Gruden ever sign a binding document as has been stated here many times? If so, is UT going to be sued for damages by him the dream hire we all wanted oh God I am going to be sick just thinking about this:cray:

 

[UTVolinExile]

Here’s my take...

No way in hell did a MOU get signed by anyone with authority to sign one only for those same people to go to Schiano. It’s plausible a MOU was executed with boosters and/or mediators and the Gruden camp. But makes zero sense that Currie is involved with Gruden, even gets a MOU executes, then decides Schiano is better and risks legal jeopardy. Makes absolutely zero sense.

Go back and read LAVol1's excellent post. Currie was running a con, at the direction of Haslam. He didn't just decide Schiano was better. He strung Gruden and the rest of the boosters along and tried to slide Schiano in at the 11th hour.

 

[VolDefense]

What if hypothetically Gruden and UT executed a MOU or other agreement and he turned in his resignation to ESPN and was ending his contracts with his various endorsements??

What if hypothetically Schiano and UT executed a MOU or other agreement and he resigned from OSU??

So then we would be dealing with tortious interference of contract for Gruden agreement. Fraudulent inducement for Schiano and Gruden. Currie and UT AD and Admin could be on the hook for millions and millions of dollars in damages for both Gruden and Schiano. Fraud if proven can give rise to treble damages as pointed out by Exile as well as punitive damages. It is dizzying if you really think about it.

Now I have no idea what if anything was executed but if agreements were executed then this is going to get incredibly ugly and incredibly expensive. The Tennessee football program and Athletic Department would be FUBAR!

thank you.

 

[tnktm]

I like the vibe and info in here but I really don't care about Gruden anymore. If there ever was a ship it has sailed. Didn't want to hear his voice on MNF tonight.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Is it fact or speculation that Gruden signed an MOU?

I fell confident in saying that it is something someone just made up, just like all of the other Lies posted about Gruden.

 

[Dudleys87]

If that were to end up being the case, can you imagine the absolute toxic atmosphere among the major boosters? Currie would surely lose his job if not sued by the University for doing such a thing. Personally, and it's JMO, Gruden didn't sign anything so that's off the table. Schiano isn't out of a job at OSU so we may have to pay him something to go away. Ultimately, Currie has to be let go and Haslam has to be neutered by the rest of the boosters.

The boosters are dividing allegedly

 

[Lovesomebigorange]

Gruden signed an agreement
Schiano signed an agreement which voided Gruden
Schiano backed out

Here we are?

Didn't hear for grumors or someone else say that theoretically you could have two agreements at one time if you wanted, it was a long legal explanation maybe I am confused, this is making my head spin...

 

[UTVolinExile]

Gruden signed an agreement
Schiano signed an agreement which voided Gruden
Schiano backed out

Here we are?

In broad strokes. I think we backed out on Schiano, but his agent (SEXTON) ran with the story of him bailing because our fanbase is "toxic."

 

[Narco_vol]

Why don’t people in the national media think Tennessee is a premier job in college football?

Money? - #2 in in revenue
Facilities? 102k Neyland, top notch training facilities.
Tradition of Winning? - Top 10 all time wins & Bowls
Fan Base? We packed stadiums for Butch Jones
Recruiting? I mean, even Butch could do it.
Education? - APR at all time high.

Coaching... all we have been missing.

So you’re telling me that coaches don’t want to come here because we haven’t had good coaches? I’m lost here.

You are absolutely on point! The only thing you’re missing is having to work for an egotistical AD and a “can’t win” money man

 

[tlester3672]

So it’s possible that we may have have to pay Gruden and We still not get him as coach. If that’s the case, I would be sick as well.

 

[VolFootballIsLife]

Go back and read LAVol1's excellent post. Currie was running a con, at the direction of Haslam. He didn't just decide Schiano was better. He strung Gruden and the rest of the boosters along and tried to slide Schiano in at the 11th hour.

Ok...but no way he does that with a signed contract by the university and Gruden. No way to avoid that legal/financial crap storm and nobody is that stupid.

I get stringing Gruden along for optics but there would be no need to go as far as a contract if you never intended to hire him. That’s beyond stupid.

 

[patrick]

Go back and read LAVol1's excellent post. Currie was running a con, at the direction of Haslam. He didn't just decide Schiano was better. He strung Gruden and the rest of the boosters along and tried to slide Schiano in at the 11th hour.

Haslam and Currie tried to pull the ole Dirty Sanchez on the other boosters and the Tennessee fan base.

Time for both of them to GTHO!

 

[KB5252]

Depends on who you believe I suppose. Knuck and I, through different sources, have been saying that we believe Gruden signed an actual contract on the 14th. Believe us, or don't, that's the info we were told and that's what we brought here.

I've seen people here in the last hour yell at us for bringing the info, and then other people yell at knuck for NOT bringing info.

Knuck can speak for himself (when he wakes up) but I've said the exact same thing since the 14th. It is what it is, take it or leave it. Whether someone believes or thinks it's a huge troll isn't going to change what I was told and what I said here as a result.

Exile if that is indeed true then I expect no self respecting coach would touch this position for years to come, or at least until the powers that be are gone.

In coaching circles word gets around quickly.

This is so about a power struggle and the Haslams appear to have signaled they are willing to do anything to keep power.

 

[undertakervol]

Go back and read LAVol1's excellent post. Currie was running a con, at the direction of Haslam. He didn't just decide Schiano was better. He strung Gruden and the rest of the boosters along and tried to slide Schiano in at the 11th hour.

The Tennessee Screwjob!

 

[UTVolinExile]

So it’s possible that we may have have to pay Gruden and We still not get him as coach. If that’s the case, I would be sick as well.

I think absolute silence from Gruden's side is good at the moment. The people who were trying to get him here in the first place are desperately trying to get the leadership issue resolved.

 

[Vol737]

The boosters are dividing allegedly

In your other post you said Schiano backed out? If so, we shouldn't owe him anything in damages. Originally it was said Currie ended up backing out. Do we have a clarification on who did what first?

 

[OrngeChkrboardVFL]

Wow, man. Just wow. I think I'm out for a while.

All I, and most others in my opinion, wanted was a serious proven coach that would not call shotgun passing plays from the 6 inch line and could develop players.

Now, we are worse off than any team including Ole Miss and Penn State and we didn't have any scandals!!! I'm out. Still a Vol, just taking a break. This is pathetic and I seriously hope the academic side of our University is not quietly having the same type of inept leadership at the helm.

Good luck to everyone. Stay strong. Peace.

 

[TenUhSee]

Easiest to calculate would be treble damages. Multiply actual damages times 3.

In my example with knuck, you would have to figure out what his actual damages are. Knuck quit his job. How much was he making? How much will it cost him to find a new job? Will he make less money at the new job? What about costs of relocating? Add all the actual costs up and multiply by 3 for treble damages.

for the lay person, this is all very complicated.

if its being asserted that Gruden had a signed contract, then how does anything having to do with Schiano invalidate that contract and doesn't UT have to honor Gruden's contract ?

and if there was a signed MOU with Schiano, isn't Gruden in fact the injured party with standing in this scenario who could sue for damages ?

please explain.