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You post seems to be a rant without focus but I will try to respond.

Once you leave Knoxville, you will see that it does not have a broad uniquity related to media coverage. Most local media will not risk isolation from promoting a false and baseless theory of such huge implications.

I was not excited to see Schiano on the list but I would not try to assassinate his character by creating an implication that has no base of fact.
You’re taking any objection to his hire as “character assassination”. Broad brush there! I’m dealing with the reality that your doctoral theory doesn’t address. There are media figures that have built in agendas against UT and this hire would have been the softest underhanded pitch ever served up to them. As I continue to tediously assert...I don’t CARE if they have videotape of him staring at Sandusky as he raped a boy! And neither do THEY!
 
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Nope. Not even close.

First, there is zero evidence of other programs contacting him. Not one report from any source. That's not a situation that amounts to conjecture. Its the available facts of the matter. You aren't debating fairly by suggesting the burden of proving a negative is on me. I suspect you know that, but are counting on no one else calling you out on it. You might as well claim Gruden may still come because we can't prove he said no. Its the logical equivalent to your nonsense statement.

Second, the millionaire point is clear to everyone but you. We don't penalize him by not hiring or interviewing him. Not even close. The guys life is fine. His family is fine. He's got money and a good job. Its not close to convicting someone by staying away from a bad situation surrounding him because we don't have all the evidence required to make the right decision and never will. Its not close to a criminal accusation to state that. Wrap all the condescending rhetoric you want around it. Its a false claim on your part to say it is. And this part is pure speculation on my part, I think you know that.

Finally, I don't care about his coaching resume when it comes to this. Pick any .500 coach you want to come to UT at this point. I'm fine with it. I'll got to the games, buy the popcorn, and stop wondering why we can't win. If that's my choice between that and explaining to my son what the Sandusky scandal is and why our coach was asked questions about it at his press interview, that's the choice I make. You've falsely accuse me of otherwise, based on far less evidence of my character than exists for Schiano's lack of job offers. That speaks volumes of how committed you really are to the truth and being fair in judging another's character.

You can't use the lack of evidence theory to condemn Schiano at Penn State and then reject it when discussing job offers to him. When faced with a lack of facts from the case, you use hypothetical assumptions as if they have validity because they are your opinion. Expect a challenge to those type arguments.

Your logic is crashing on you.

The millionaire is typically used to villainize a person when there are no supporting facts. Your usage was classic.

Nonetheless, it comes down to the fact that Schiano has had no implications against him related to crimes at Penn State.

Beyond that, he does not have the coaching resume that impresses the UT fan base. At this point, I am not sure our next coach will have a resume that impresses. If not, I hope his future results will.
 
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It's quite ironic that you use words like evidence, facts and fairness......None of those exist in condemning Schiano.
May well be true, but what do you think coaches recruiting against us are going to be saying to recruits? He 's innocent , he did not know anything about that stuff going on at Penn State. Those guys lied under oath. This almost hire was a terrible idea from the start, and I am proud of our fans for their part in stopping it.
 
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You’re taking any objection to his hire as “character assassination”. Broad brush there! I’m dealing with the reality that your doctoral theory doesn’t address. There are media figures that have built in agendas against UT and this hire would have been the softest underhanded pitch ever served up to them. As I continue to tediously assert...I don’t CARE if they have videotape of him staring at Sandusky as he raped a boy! And neither do THEY!

While this may seem advanced to you, the logic and flow are pretty simple.

Butch, you may not read the entire posts. The character assassination is the baseless accusations.

You should care what the facts are but that is on you.

You should not assume that the media will take such an issue with the flippantry as you do.
 
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It's quite ironic that you use words like evidence, facts and fairness......None of those exist in condemning Schiano.

It’s public perception. Guilty or innocent, he was in that hole for 5 years in the early 90’s when many many people knew what was going on and said nothing.

Whether he knew or not, thats debatable and cannot be proven either way.

BUT YOU STILL DONT HIRE THAT GUY.

THATS CALLED EXTRA BAGGAGE.

True or not. Doesn’t matter. It’s needless baggage and brings a needless issue into an already unstable situation at Tennessee. NOT WHAT WE NEED.

We just got rid of a scandal ridden coach, where all the allegations caused massive issues but weren’t necessarily provable, but still were distracting. For Gods sake, why would you bring another one in???
 
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It’s public perception. Guilty or innocent, he was in that hole for 5 years in the early 90’s when many many people knew what was going on and said nothing.

Whether he knew or not, thats debatable and cannot be proven either way.

BUT YOU STILL DONT HIRE THAT GUY.

THATS CALLED EXTRA BAGGAGE.

True or not. Doesn’t matter. It’s needless baggage and brings a needless issue into an already unstable situation at Tennessee. NOT WHAT WE NEED.

We just got rid of a scandal ridden coach, where all the allegations caused massive issues but weren’t necessarily provable, but still were distracting. For Gods sake, why would you bring another one in???

The public perception is that we are a bunch of fools relying on hearsay to torpedo a good hire because it wasn't a sexy enough name for this fan base.

THAT'S CALLED EXTRA BAGGAGE.
 
The public perception is that we are a bunch of fools relying on hearsay to torpedo a good hire because it wasn't a sexy enough name for this fan base.

THAT'S CALLED EXTRA BAGGAGE.

So this was a good fit for Tennessee? Greg Shiano?
 
Not really.. but a victim would be the guy saying that in another mans face and that guy lying on the ground after a hard punch to the face.. got it?

Internet badasses? I’m familiar. You one of those that needs the fire department to get you to the Waffle House? :)
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So this was a good fit for Tennessee? Greg Shiano?

I don't know. I'm not the expert that many here think that they are. My opinion is that he's probably not the explosive name that the program needs right now but a very good coach.

But that has nothing to do with the lack of justice in the social justice dished out over the hire. We just leap-frogged Missouri in the stupid outrage category.
 
Internet badasses? I’m familiar. You one of those that needs the fire department to get you to the Waffle House? :)
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Why would the fire Dept need to get me to the Waffle House, if ya want to meet at the local Memphis Waffle House I’ll be sure to oblige.. please tell me again bout the fire Dept angle? Internet badass is the guy willing to meet at the Waffle House.. so do we have a date or not?
 
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May well be true, but what do you think coaches recruiting against us are going to be saying to recruits? He 's innocent , he did not know anything about that stuff going on at Penn State. Those guys lied under oath. This almost hire was a terrible idea from the start, and I am proud of our fans for their part in stopping it.

I see your point. That must be why Ohio State is having such trouble recruiting.
 
While this may seem advanced to you, the logic and flow are pretty simple.

Butch, you may not read the entire posts. The character assassination is the baseless accusations.

You should care what the facts are but that is on you.

You should not assume that the media will take such an issue with the flippantry as you do.

We don’t control the baseless accusation quotient. We control our reaction. And yes, I don’t care. To paraphrase Lt Gerard “I’m not trying to solve a mystery here, I just want a damn coach I don’t have to defend BEFORE his PC.” Which media? The talking heads clucking at us now? Or the same talking heads that will condemn us for hiring him later?
 
I see your point. That must be why Ohio State is having such trouble recruiting.

you are speaking of a team which has Urban Meyer as HC.
- the NC winning head coach, fantastic coaching record... with a staff - of which only the Defensive players would even know or care who the DC is. Urban is the figurehead and face of the program - because he is the HC.

That is a categorically different scenario than what would be said of a HC who is making the pitch - which has a past which has this ambiguous accusation hanging over his reputation. It MATTERS. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does and will. Nobody said it was fair, and it's ok to think that it is not "right".

To argue that the individual in question would be on equal footing as the peer HCs recruiting in the southeast is delusional.
 
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We don’t control the baseless accusation quotient. We control our reaction. And yes, I don’t care. To paraphrase Lt Gerard “I’m not trying to solve a mystery here, I just want a damn coach I don’t have to defend BEFORE his PC.” Which media? The talking heads clucking at us now? Or the same talking heads that will condemn us for hiring him later?

I think you have summarized your position well.
 
you are speaking of a team which has Urban Meyer as HC.
- the NC winning head coach, fantastic coaching record... with a staff - of which only the Defensive players would even know or care who the DC is. He is the figurehead that others fall under.

That is a categorically different scenario than what would be said of a HC who is making the pitch - which has a past which has this ambiguous accusation hanging over his reputation. It MATTERS. Maybe it shouldn't, but it does and will. Nobody said it was fair, and it's ok to think that it is not "right".

To argue that the individual in question would be on equal footing as the peer HCs recruiting in the southeast is delusional.

As egregious as the accusation against Schiano is, if true, it's delusional to think it matters what his position on the totem pole is.
 
Why would the fire Dept need to get me to the Waffle House, if ya want to meet at the local Memphis Waffle House I’ll be sure to oblige.. please tell me again bout the fire Dept angle? Internet badass is the guy willing to meet at the Waffle House.. so do we have a date or not?

I forgot about the literacy thing, sorry. :hi: I’m intimating that you’re a morbidly obese shut-in who’s only familiarity with “kicking ass” is when you’re able to glob your chubby fingers onto the game controls. The fire department is usually tasked with helping such out of their dwellings.

Sure, I’ll be there Friday. I’m the one wearing a shirt.
 
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I forgot about the literacy thing, sorry. :hi: I’m intimating that you’re a morbidly obese shut-in who’s only familiarity with “kicking ass” is when you’re able to glob your chubby fingers onto the game controls. The fire department is usually tasked with helping such out of their dwellings.

Sure, I’ll be there Friday. I’m the one wearing a shirt.
Sorry to bust your little bubble I’m part of the fire Dept that helps getting the morbidly obese people out of their homes.. with trying to guess what I weigh you would be incorrect on that also.. it will kill you to fight fires with all that weight on you.. but you like to assume, with Ass being what you know.. anyways you got a time Friday? As being in a city that fights as much fire as Detroit and jus below Chicago in violent cities you should have a little respect for those first responders as you might need one when you tend to spew out the garbage you do to someone’s face, but I doubt you would do that..
 
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As egregious as the accusation against Schiano is, if true, it's delusional to think it matters what his position on the totem pole is.

That may be true for you and I, but there are folks in this world who are heavily swayed by the stars in their eyes... with Meyer's NFL placement record... his coaching record. It may not sway you, but it can make all but the most discerning parents and recruits forget that there is anyone else on the coaching staff. They are choosing what is best for the future of their young athlete.

The individual in question, as a HC, would have no such stars with which to fill parents' and potential players' eyes.
 
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