Herbstreit coming after us

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txbo said:
It's sad that we live in an age of social justice's triumph over due process. It's a very dangerous place.
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Due process is the rule set our society applies when criminal penalties (e.g., jail time) are being considered. It is a serious set of checks and balances reserved for cases with serious consequences.

What we have here is a dude trying to get a better job. Worst thing that happens to him is, he keeps making great money in his current job. Due process is not a protection afforded in these circumstances.

Knowing how our society works and what rules get applied when is the key. Not knowing can leave you looking misinformed.

I think it's wonderful that, once in a while, values can triumph over cronyism and the blind chase for fame and fortune.

But that's just me.
 
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butchna said:
Yes...lil champion. A dinosaur! :)
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Someone needs their meds this morning..
 
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#178
glhal2814 said:
By even interviewing him we lost either way. He should have never been on the board. At all.

There is a reason no one else bothered to interview him but us. They knew it put them in a no win. You either become part of the Sandusky scandal, or a part of an unjust accusation. That's unfair, but we aren't the reform school for millionaires with unjust reputations. Not other school was willing to take on that role. Currie even flying up to talk to him is a fireable offense. Its really that boneheaded.
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You can assume that he has not been contacted by other programs but you do not know that. It fit's your position but is not a known true assumption.

Your rhetoric concerning millionaires gives way some of your intent here in your statements. Regardless of income, a man should not be falsely accused of criminal activity because you do not like his coaching resume.

Your comments may seem to be harmless conjecture energized by frustration on your part, but it does have implications as to the seriousness one is to place on your opinions.
 
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#179
Volz4lif3 said:
So.. that means he wouldn’t be good at Tennessee right? We need a coach now that’s gonna bring us all together and be a great fit for Tennessee that’s all the fans wanted..
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Obviously, Schiano is not going to be the coach that unites a fan base so driven by desperation to the point of fantasy.

I do not there is a coach available that will unite this fan base immediately. I hope that there is such a coach. Do you have a name to suggest?
 
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Hubbard said:
His employment at Penn State was open and known from the beginning. Also known, post trial, was that Schiano was not considered, in any way, to have knowledge of the crimes or to support a crime. Given those facts, your fear of a imaginary smoking gun created by the press in unwarranted.

Again, basing a fear on something that has been proven to be without merit does not make sense to me. It may make sense to you and you are entitled to your opinion.
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You live in a fantasy world where this doesn’t get brought up. We’re from KNOXVILLE! Maybe you were on an Antarctic Exploration expedition when the Title IX lawsuit happened? Facts and reason be damned! It’s what you can intimate and allege! When your own fans don’t want it, why pine for it? This job isn’t a constitutional right. Appearances, confidence NON-HATE are all vital components. He had none of those BEFORE he even got on the plane. What would have changed?
 
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Hubbard said:
Obviously, Schiano is not going to be the coach that unites a fan base so driven by desperation to the point of fantasy.

I do not there is a coach available that will unite this fan base immediately. I hope that there is such a coach. Do you have a name to suggest?
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Man I have no clue now, I think one of the up and coming coaches would do.. go get Norvell I was gonna say frost but he will head to his alma..
 
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#187
Kirk, Booger, and several others that are bashing UT right now are represented by the same agency that represents Schiano. Sexton is just feeding them information so he keeps the people that make them money happy.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
Due process is the rule set our society applies when criminal penalties (e.g., jail time) are being considered. It is a serious set of checks and balances reserved for cases with serious consequences.

What we have here is a dude trying to get a better job. Worst thing that happens to him is, he keeps making great money in his current job. Due process is not a protection afforded in these circumstances.

Knowing how our society works and what rules get applied when is the key. Not knowing can leave you looking misinformed.

I think it's wonderful that, once in a while, values can triumph over cronyism and the blind chase for fame and fortune.

But that's just me.
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Due process is a natural law philosophy that's not exclusive to our justice system. It's a matter of ensuring fairness in any procedure.

I certainly don't think this revolt is one of values over anything. If Schiano had a national championship ring, he'd be met with open arms. You think Jimbo Fischer would get the same response if he were announced yesterday?
 
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Hubbard said:
You can assume that he has not been contacted by other programs but you do not know that. It fit's your position but is not a known true assumption.

Your rhetoric concerning millionaires gives way some of your intent here in your statements. Regardless of income, a man should not be falsely accused of criminal activity because you do not like his coaching resume.

Your comments may seem to be harmless conjecture energized by frustration on your part, but it does have implications as to the seriousness one is to place on your opinions.
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Nope. Not even close.

First, there is zero evidence of other programs contacting him. Not one report from any source. That's not a situation that amounts to conjecture. Its the available facts of the matter. You aren't debating fairly by suggesting the burden of proving a negative is on me. I suspect you know that, but are counting on no one else calling you out on it. You might as well claim Gruden may still come because we can't prove he said no. Its the logical equivalent to your nonsense statement.

Second, the millionaire point is clear to everyone but you. We don't penalize him by not hiring or interviewing him. Not even close. The guys life is fine. His family is fine. He's got money and a good job. Its not close to convicting someone by staying away from a bad situation surrounding him because we don't have all the evidence required to make the right decision and never will. Its not close to a criminal accusation to state that. Wrap all the condescending rhetoric you want around it. Its a false claim on your part to say it is. And this part is pure speculation on my part, I think you know that.

Finally, I don't care about his coaching resume when it comes to this. Pick any .500 coach you want to come to UT at this point. I'm fine with it. I'll got to the games, buy the popcorn, and stop wondering why we can't win. If that's my choice between that and explaining to my son what the Sandusky scandal is and why our coach was asked questions about it at his press interview, that's the choice I make. You've falsely accuse me of otherwise, based on far less evidence of my character than exists for Schiano's lack of job offers. That speaks volumes of how committed you really are to the truth and being fair in judging another's character.
 
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butchna said:
You live in a fantasy world where this doesn’t get brought up. We’re from KNOXVILLE! Maybe you were on an Antarctic Exploration expedition when the Title IX lawsuit happened? Facts and reason be damned! It’s what you can intimate and allege! When your own fans don’t want it, why pine for it? This job isn’t a constitutional right. Appearances, confidence NON-HATE are all vital components. He had none of those BEFORE he even got on the plane. What would have changed?
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Your post seems to be a rant without focus but I will try to respond.

Once you leave Knoxville, you will see that it does not have a broad uniquity related to media coverage. Most local media will not risk isolation from promoting a false and baseless theory of such huge implications.

I was not excited to see Schiano on the list but I would not try to assassinate his character by creating an implication that has no base of fact.
 
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Volz4lif3 said:
Man I have no clue now, I think one of the up and coming coaches would do.. go get Norvell I was gonna say frost but he will head to his alma..
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I agree that Frost is most likely off the table.

If you had to choose between another mid-major coach or Hoke, which would you like the least? Notice, I did not want to put you in a position to say liked the most.
 
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glhal2814 said:
Nope. Not even close.

First, there is zero evidence of other programs contacting him. Not one report from any source. That's not a situation that amounts to conjecture. Its the available facts of the matter. You aren't debating fairly by suggesting the burden of proving a negative is on me. I suspect you know that, but are counting on no one else calling you out on it. You might as well claim Gruden may still come because we can't prove he said no. Its the logical equivalent to your nonsense statement.

Second, the millionaire point is clear to everyone but you. We don't penalize him by not hiring or interviewing him. Not even close. The guys life is fine. His family is fine. He's got money and a good job. Its not close to convicting someone by staying away from a bad situation surrounding him because we don't have all the evidence required to make the right decision and never will. Its not close to a criminal accusation to state that. Wrap all the condescending rhetoric you want around it. Its a false claim on your part to say it is. And this part is pure speculation on my part, I think you know that.

Finally, I don't care about his coaching resume when it comes to this. Pick any .500 coach you want to come to UT at this point. I'm fine with it. I'll got to the games, buy the popcorn, and stop wondering why we can't win. If that's my choice between that and explaining to my son what the Sandusky scandal is and why our coach was asked questions about it at his press interview, that's the choice I make. You've falsely accuse me of otherwise, based on far less evidence of my character than exists for Schiano's lack of job offers. That speaks volumes of how committed you really are to the truth and being fair in judging another's character.
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It's quite ironic that you use words like evidence, facts and fairness......None of those exist in condemning Schiano.
 
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#198
dcm3w said:
Dude it's the internet.
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So you can say what ya want behind a keyboard right? Got it.. it’s the internet..let me say this also, he wouldn’t say it to my face guarantee ya that for sure..
 
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Hubbard said:
I agree that Frost is most likely off the table.

If you had to choose between another mid-major coach or Hoke, which would you like the least? Notice, I did not want to put you in a position to say liked the most.
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Hell man Tennessee is lookin desperate now, like when they hired Butch.. I don’t know who you should go after if Norvell Brohm or anyone else that’s up and coming says no
 
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