Herbstreit coming after us

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butchna said:
You’re beyond naive if you think that the unknown wouldn’t be spinned by the national media and opposing coaches. FACT! Why HIRE that?
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No, if that were the case the press would have been camped out at all of his previous jobs since being at Penn State.
 
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Hubbard said:
I think you answered your first question. However, you should care about the facts of whether or not he was aware of anything illegal.

To answer your second question, I refer back to the facts. He has no connections to the illegal activity.
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How in the the world was Schiano trotted out as the big splash hire? A total risk from a personality standpoint a PR standpoint and his coaching is questionable too.

The effing press secretary of the United States called out the hire for God's sake. THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN!!!!

Stop blaming fans. Almost nobody but a few desperate fans thought this was a good idea.
 
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butchna said:
SOME Vol fans are getting the particulars skewed, but the main focus of the backlash is what he MAY NOT have done. Which was to beat a monster’s ass! That monster was his mentor. Maybe he didn’t witness any behavior? Don’t care. Why START a new era with questions that the Tennessean will ask after they move onto campus for a 24/7/365 live feed. Just accept, huh? :no:
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Solid post
 
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Hubbard said:
I think you answered your first question. However, you should care about the facts of whether or not he was aware of anything illegal.
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That fact is you don't "know".
He was named, he denies.

UT should not step into that pile of $h!+ not knowing.
 
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MWAVolfan said:
How in the the world was Schiano trotted out as the big splash hire? A total risk from a personality standpoint a PR standpoint and his coaching is questionable too.

The effing press secretary of the United States called out the hire for God's sake. THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN!!!!

Stop blaming fans. Almost nobody but a few desperate fans thought this was a good idea.
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No, Schiano is not a splash hire at all.

What is the "risk from a personality standpoint"?

How is his "coaching questionable"?
 
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Hubbard said:
No, if that were the case the press would have been camped out at all of his previous jobs since being at Penn State.
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Joe died, Sandusky is locked up, and Penn St football moved forward.

The press moved on to the next story.
 
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Hubbard said:
It may surprise you that those who actually know Schiano, sees the UT fans unfairly associating him with crimes that he has no factual connections to.

We all were outraged by the unfairness when Peyton did not get the Heisman. We were upset when an ESPN reporter said that we were all crying in our trailers. Yet, some UT fans instantly claim that Schiano supports child rape.

Consider how this fan base looks by publicly and ignorantly accusing a man of horrendous acts and doing so with zero evidence.

This is what our fan base has come to and how UT is now perceived. Still, you wonder why the job is not attractive to the elite coaches.
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I don't know about you, but some things are bigger than 'elite coaches.' Regardless if he did it or not, would you not agree that it's better to be safe rather than sorry, and that staying on the safe side in situations like these are probably the best option? What happens if a couple years down the road after we hire him a report comes out saying he was indeed involved.

It's bigger than football buddy.
 
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carolinaviking said:
I have always had a lot of respect for Kirk Herbstreit. He seems to be very level-headed in his approach to all things football, unlike a lot of other hyper-emotional talking heads on sports programs. I may be in the vast minority here, but I think he is correct in this assessment. Tennessee fans have messed up big time this weekend. The Schiano hire was under-the-radar for a reason (or several reasons, actually).

Toss the Sandusky BS out of the conversation because Schiano was probably not involved in that. Had he been, it would have come out in the investigation, but he was not implicated in anything. Vols fans are simply using it for leverage to sh*tcan the deal because it was an unfamiliar name on nobody's list.

His tenure at Rutgers was far more impressive than anyone around here seems capable of grasping. What he did there was phenomenal. Imagine what he could do with Tennessee's program and talent. Wow.

I don't like the way the hire went down, certainly. The Haslams have shown their *sses. Fulmer should have been involved. A search firm should have been used. But I also do not believe the fans should have this kind of social media veto power. This is a dangerous precedent. Most of the fans are too emotional and not practical enough in their analysis.
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I appreciate your reasoning and attempt to be fair.

The fundamental problem with all the Schaino apologists is who else wanted him? We supposedly have tarred and feathered someone unjustly, yet there are around a dozen open positions. None of them are interviewing him. Either they don't think he is the right football guy, or they realized what would happen with their fans without us having to show them up close and personal.

Why are we responsible for cleaning up his legacy?
 
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BeecherVol said:
That fact is you don't "know".
He was named, he denies.

UT should not step into that pile of $h!+ not knowing.
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The fact is that the police did not pursue the false claim against him. To dismiss a claim is to determine it to be false and without merit.
 
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Hubbard said:
The fact is that the police did not pursue the false claim against him. To dismiss a claim is to determine it to be false and without merit.
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So ignore the Penn State stuff and go do more research.

Want to keep defending this human piece of trash?
 
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Let me rephrase the question.

What other university wanted to hire Shiano as their head coach before this weekend?
 
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dasitmane said:
I don't know about you, but some things are bigger than 'elite coaches.' Regardless if he did it or not, would you not agree that it's better to be safe rather than sorry, and that staying on the safe side in situations like these are probably the best option? What happens if a couple years down the road after we hire him a report comes out saying he was indeed involved.

It's bigger than football buddy.
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I agree that this is much bigger than football now.

This is about some in the fan base falsely accusing someone of supporting child sex abuse.

Life is much bigger than being mad that your favorite coach is not coming to UT.
 
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ButchPlz said:
So ignore the Penn State stuff and go do more research.

Want to keep defending this human piece of trash?
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What Penn State stuff, factually related to Schiano, is being ignored?

Do you want to continue to commit character assassination with third person hearsay that was not deemed valid when investigated?
 
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Hubbard said:
Exactly.
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The big fish being fried doesn't guarantee everybody else's hands being clean either.

And when you don't know you look somewhere else.

The media angle is funny in all this. I doubt this ain't brought up after he he was hired here.
 
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Hubbard said:
In this series of comments, my context and argument is that UT fans should not falsely accuse Schiano of supporting child sex abuse.

Do you agree with that statement?
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I haven't accused him of anything other than being there when it went on and not being hired as a college HFC since 13', given some think he's a good coach.

That's enough for the idiots involved to move on and never open this can of s#!+ to begin with by trying to push him to the podium.
 
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BeecherVol said:
I haven't accused him of anything other than being there when it went on and not being hired as a college HFC since 13', given some think he's a good coach.

That's enough for the idiots involved to move on and never open this can of s#!+ to begin with by trying to push him to the podium.
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Being employed in a place where crimes were committed by someone else is not a accusation. Employment is pretty much a yes or no question for most people.

Why should an innocent person not be considered for a coaching position solely on the fact of where they were employed?

Your fear is unfounded.
 
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