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#51
#51
If my name had been mentioned in 2016 about this Grand Jury case, I would have hired a lawyer, sued McQueary, and spent all my dollars making sure my name was completely stricken from the record on this case.

Chickens come home to roost.
 
#52
#52
GetYouSomeofThat said:
Did you seriously read that op Ed? This guy stares unequivocally that has researched this case more than anyone. That statement alone is enough to make anyone reading to realize he is a hack. However the fact remains that McCreay stated under oath that Schiano knew, the fact that it was a civil trial makes no difference. Perjury is perjury and McCreary could be held accountable.

Why hasn't Schiano and Bradley sued McCreary? I think most of us would either have aired him or beat his ass.

This is simply an opinion piece that has no more validity to it than a VN post and reeks of a paid job to me.
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Big time hack. Said not letting a guy accused of not reporting child abuse to police have a job was the same (or worse) as the Salem witch trials.
 
#53
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orangepridenation said:
For no reason? Are you purposefully dense or did you skip over the part where he allegedly saw a kid being raped in the shower? Honestly, even if he denied it, that is NOT a risk you take as an athletic director. It's just not.
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He was 25 yrs old at the time and just starting his coaching career. What would you have done?
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
Thats a simple cop-out. Plain and simple. The fans didn't get the coach they wanted and they latched onto the first negative thing they could find to justify the outrage. If I were a betting man I would bet that 98% of everyone here yelling with the moral outrage had no idea that he was even a coach at Penn State during that mess. And to top it off he was a mere 25 years old at the time. But hey if your narrative.
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Cop out?

Your quote " he was a mere 25 years old" is the f..King cop out. Please tell me you were aware at the age of 25 that raping children was wrong. Pretty sure GS dos also.

And the opinion piece linked by the op is as much a bunch of BS as any Twitter post.

More than one person knew about Sandusky and his foundation and told Parerno multiple times, including before, during and after GS coached there.

He was only 25... Pathetic

Joe Paterno may have known of earlier Jerry Sandusky abuse claim, police report reveals - CNN
 
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SmashMouth said:
If my name had been mentioned in 2016 about this Grand Jury case, I would have hired a lawyer, sued McQueary, and spent all my dollars making sure my name was completely stricken from the record on this case.

Chickens come home to roost.
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You'd have lost all your dollars and nothing regarding your perception would have changed.
 
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mitzustu said:
There’s zero evidence that he knew anything. Can you even read?
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There IS court testimony where a witness said he did know something first hand. Can YOU read?!? There are other qualified candidates out there that don't have this dark cloud hanging over them. There would never have been this backlash if one of them was selected. Currie should have known better.
 
#57
#57
We should not have even considered any coach that was working for P state when that happened . Fact is no one really knows what the truth is as far as other coaches involved. Why even take that chance with one that was there. absolutely piss poor judgment on the powers that be at UT. Also the fans are the ones that purchase tickets and buy gear with UT on it . WE are the consumers! WE are the customers that buy the product. You damn well better take what we think and what we want into consideration. The Haslams have taken the fans for granted for to long and today we were not going to stand for it anymore. I am proud of our fan base and i am way more proud today to be a Tennessee vol than i was yesterday!
 
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#58
J C Higgins said:
I'm with Mitzustu.

There is no proof he did anything wrong.

I'm embarrassed for the school and the state.

Yes, we're screwed .....for along time.
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Hire him and article is used to discourage recruits. He should never have been considered. The fact he was shows incompetence at a high level. Remember the AD refused to use a search firm. No search firm would recommend schiano
 
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orchidvol said:
There IS court testimony where a witness said he did know something first hand. Can YOU read?!? There are other qualified candidates out there that don't have this dark cloud hanging over them. There would never have been this backlash if one of them was selected. Currie should have known better.
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Actually the testimony was regarding two decade old, second hand hearsay. Also the guy he apparently heard it from has denied it several times.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
He was 25 yrs old at the time and just starting his coaching career. What would you have done?
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Beat the ever loving piss out of whoever was laying hands on the kid if I saw it happening. I am absolutely sure of that.

But in taking your reply to the post you quoted it was a he said/he said case and McQueary was under oath. Either he was telling the truth or he committed perjury. Schiano should Have attacked and cleared his name. Because that lack of offense by Schiano cost him dearly today. This is the most tone deaf “attempted” hire I can even think of in recent times.
 
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Did you seriously read that op Ed? This guy stares unequivocally that has researched this case more than anyone. That statement alone is enough to make anyone reading to realize he is a hack. However the fact remains that McCreay stated under oath that Schiano knew, the fact that it was a civil trial makes no difference. Perjury is perjury and McCreary could be held accountable.

Why hasn't Schiano and Bradley sued McCreary? I think most of us would either have aired him or beat his ass.

This is simply an opinion piece that has no more validity to it than a VN post and reeks of a paid job to me.
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I haven't researched the case in depth but in less than 5 minutes of research I found that at least 2 of the victims stated the abuse to them started in 1994 and 1995 not 1998 as what was stated. 1998 was obviously used so that it did not coincide to when both Schiano and McCreary were at PSU.
 
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mitzustu said:
If that happened we’d can him. As it stands you guys absolutely screwed a man who all the evidence points to as innocent.

Did you read that article? It makes the position that he took part in any wrongdoing laughable.
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Are you his f-ing lawyer now?
 
#64
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mitzustu said:
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The Twitter Mob Is Trying to Destroy Greg Schiano and They Are 100% Wrong | Mediaite
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A jury who heard all of the relevant facts deemed Mike McQueary's testimony credible and awarded him a $ 7.3 million verdict in his whistleblower action against PSU. Granted, the jury didn't hear this particular testimony because of the hearsay issue, but just because what McQueary testified to in his deposition about Schiano having knowledge was hearsay doesn't mean that he was lying about this fact, and a group of twelve citizens who heard all of the relevant facts found him credible. Are you calling the jury's determination into question?

Mike McQueary Is Awarded $7.3 Million in Penn State Defamation Case - The New York Times
 
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orchidvol said:
There IS court testimony where a witness said he did know something first hand. Can YOU read?!? There are other qualified candidates out there that don't have this dark cloud hanging over them. There would never have been this backlash if one of them was selected. Currie should have known better.
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The court testimony is not that he knew something first hand. The court testimony is that the person testifying heard from another person that Schiano knew about it. Schiano did not tell the person testifying that he knew about it. Both Schiano and the other person have denied it under oath.
 
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FLSTF-VOL said:
He was 25 yrs old at the time and just starting his coaching career. What would you have done?
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You sick ****! If you catch them, you kick the **** out of them! If you hear about it, you contact the police! That’s what anyone this side of a sicko would do! I hope no one has to depend on the apologist on these threads to protect them!
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
He was involved in a program that turned their heads to pedophiles.

He was BARELY over .500 at Rutgers.

He was just over .300 at Tampa Bay.

Players hated him as a bully. Fans thought he was aloof and did not communicate.

His baggage is one thing. His coaching is another. His relationship with fans/players is the 3rd strike. 3 strikes and OUT.
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Exactly the psu stuff is just the icing on his turd cake
 
#69
#69
Doesn't matter. This fan base (myself included) went on a witch hunt today. And most arent gonna want step back and think, even for a second, that they may have burned an innocent person at the stake.
 
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mitzustu said:
Glad you actually read it Joe. We are screwed. No coach wants a fan base that believes lies, cries wolf, and gets their way all the time.

Currie learned a hard lesson tonight. Pander to the fanbase and soon you’ll be sitting with them. Thanks guys. Have fun looking up at UK and Vandy.
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Must be great to know it all, to be so completely sure of yourself as to call others "ignorant". Possibly, there are coaches who would be glad to work in a place intolerant of enablers, especially as vile as this. One thing I'm 100% sure of, no one, not you or me know if he has lied about the treachery given free reign at PSU. Me, I'll err on the side of protecting kids from predators.
 
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#71
Before anyone relies on this “twitter” article, you should read the biases of both Mediaite and John Ziegler, especially Ziegler. He has been the leading apologist for Paterno and recreating Paterno’s reputation. This is not the person I’d hang my reputation on.
 
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#72
#72
This whole thing stinks to high heaven. Currie made an inept decision on the hire. From what I read about Schiano he would have been a terrible fit here. What came out about his time in the NFL should have excluded him. For the record, I have serious doubts about the credibility of McQueary's testimony, but I was deeply concerned about a Schiano's personality and his coaching style.

Tennessee has a passionate fan base, and that level of passion can be combustible. Especially when the program has been down for so long. For some reason many fans got it into their head that Gruden was a realistic possibility and anything short of hiring him or Peterson/Patterson (or maybe Chip Kelly) was going to lead to a backlash. Then with the inept decision by Currie the fan base exploded. It will be impossible to hire a good coach now, that ship has sailed. Currie may have to step down which leads us back to having to hire an AD before we get a coach. It is a mess and it makes me sad.
 
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#73
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rpeagram said:
You sick ****! If you catch them, you kick the **** out of them! If you hear about it, you contact the police! That’s what anyone this side of a sicko would do! I hope no one has to depend on the apologist on these threads to protect them!
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#74
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GetYouSomeofThat said:
Did you seriously read that op Ed? This guy stares unequivocally that has researched this case more than anyone. That statement alone is enough to make anyone reading to realize he is a hack. However the fact remains that McCreay stated under oath that Schiano knew, the fact that it was a civil trial makes no difference. Perjury is perjury and McCreary could be held accountable.

Why hasn't Schiano and Bradley sued McCreary? I think most of us would either have aired him or beat his ass.

This is simply an opinion piece that has no more validity to it than a VN post and reeks of a paid job to me.
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More facts for you folks

The Penn State Child Abuse Scandal: A Guide And Timeline : NPR
 
#75
#75
How many people at PSU that denied Sandusky allegations actually didn't know anything?
 
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