How far have we fallen

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Rudy123 said:
My best guess is that Kelly to UCLA. Norvell to Ole Piss Frost to Florida Gus to Arkansas.
Campbell buy out is too high. Mullen stays at State.
We get coach from SMU in worse case scenario and best case scenario we get Willie Taggart if Oregon does not match us and Taggart stays at zOregon
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Getting Taggart would be worse case
 
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rickyyrs said:
We can't even get a big time coach to commit to us. And there is talk about Ohio St DC Schiano (who was at Penn St) Are you serious. The crap he did or knew about is a whole lot worse than what Kiffin did. I am telling you if Kiffin was coach here we would win championships. The guy can coach. He would bring in good coaches and recruiters with him. I would give him a contract and put alot of clauses in it.
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Just stop with the woe is me crap, none of the stuff you posted is factual
 
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rickyyrs said:
We can't even get a big time coach to commit to us. And there is talk about Ohio St DC Schiano (who was at Penn St) Are you serious. The crap he did or knew about is a whole lot worse than what Kiffin did. I am telling you if Kiffin was coach here we would win championships. The guy can coach. He would bring in good coaches and recruiters with him. I would give him a contract and put alot of clauses in it.
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You do realize that NO big time coach is going to announce before the season ends right?
 
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KBVol said:
Kiffin can recruit? Go back and look at the one Tennessee class....how many contributed at a high or any level to speak of? Hell, how many were even here the next season? It wasn’t good.

And can we stop with the Kiffin talk altogether? It’s as far-fetched discussing him returning here as it is thinking Gruden is gonna be our next guy. Neither have any chance of happening.
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Wasnt our last good OL all Kiffin recruits?
 
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BTS said:
I think you are absolutely right. I have brought up Kiffin several times only because i don't want us to leave any capable coach off the list. We should absolutely think big but if that doesn't work out i dont want to overlook Kiffin and end up hiring another Dooley or Jones. I would like to see a competent coach even if its someone that i dont like very much personally .
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Hiring Kiffin would be a national embarrassment, not to mention he’s done absolutely nothing to earn the right to a top tier SEC head coaching gig.
 
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rickyyrs said:
We can't even get a big time coach to commit to us. And there is talk about Ohio St DC Schiano (who was at Penn St) Are you serious. The crap he did or knew about is a whole lot worse than what Kiffin did. I am telling you if Kiffin was coach here we would win championships. The guy can coach. He would bring in good coaches and recruiters with him. I would give him a contract and put alot of clauses in it.
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I got news for you Ricky. In the modern era, we have never attracted a "big time coach." We raised them. So stop acting like it is a Greek tragedy we haven't attracted one yet.

What I see as tragic is you wanting Lane MFing Kiffin. I agree I don't want Schiano, but Kiffin's sorry ass is just below him on the black list. If Currie hires Kiffin, he might feel safer dressing like Liberace in Isis held territory. Kiffin can rot in Boca Raton. He screwed us over once. He don't get a second chance.
 
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fade route said:
Hiring Kiffin would be a national embarrassment, not to mention he’s done absolutely nothing to earn the right to a top tier SEC head coaching gig.
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He has done as much as any of the second tier coaches on our list. IM trying to understand this national embarrassment but i just dont get that. Dooley and Jones now that was embarrassing.
 
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BTS said:
He has done as much as any of the second tier coaches on our list. IM trying to understand this national embarrassment but i just dont get that. Dooley and Jones now that was embarrassing.
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To take back a coach that left you after one year is humiliating. I normally couldn’t care less what the media and others say about us - this is the one exception.
 
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BTS said:
He has done as much as any of the second tier coaches on our list. IM trying to understand this national embarrassment but i just dont get that. Dooley and Jones now that was embarrassing.
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If we hire Kiffin, the national media will take their shots at us for hiring the guy who helped burn us down by walking out.
 
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OJ said:
For way too many years I say to myself, this has got to be the bottom, only to realize the hole goes deeper and deeper.
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I don't know, some of the people here remind me of the cheshire cat, or twiddle dee and twiddle dum. So if we ain't at the bottom, we are getting pretty damn close.
 
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If he is the best available coach that we can get i am willing to take the media making fun of us for hiring him back. They already make fun of us now . They will stop if we are winning .
 
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ukvols said:
If we hire Kiffin, the national media will take their shots at us for hiring the guy who helped burn us down by walking out.
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Actually had he stayed, most believe he would have screwed us over worse. The few people who knew how to cover up crap and leave you thinking they were planting flowers at Tennessee are long dead and buried. But they couldn't have covered for that idiot's antics especially with social media and camera phones. I hope he never sees a picture of Neyland stadium again, much less sets foot in it.
 
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Does anybody have any proof of any wrong doings other than the minor recruiting violations that we self reported . Everything else is just rumor same as in Bama with Kiffin going out with Sabans daughter . Just a bunch of rumors
 
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TNnative said:
Actually had he stayed, most believe he would have screwed us over worse. The few people who knew how to cover up crap and leave you thinking they were planting flowers at Tennessee are long dead and buried. But they couldn't have covered for that idiot's antics especially with social media and camera phones. I hope he never sees a picture of Neyland stadium again, much less sets foot in it.
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Hiring Kiffin instead of Patterson or Brian Kelly was an epic screw-up.
 
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99gator said:
I brought this up in another thread, but this is actually nothing new and that's not meant to be disparaging

Doug Dickey's first head coaching gig was Tennessee. He was an assistant at Arkansas. Bill Battle was a first time head coach promoted from within. Johnny Majors was a national title winning coach who was called home. If he wasn't an alumnus, does he go to Tennessee? I don't know. Phil Fulmer was a first time head coach promoted from within. Lane Kiffin was a first time college coach who was fired from his 1st head coaching gig in the NFL. And there's Dooley and Jones.

That's 50 years worth of head coaches and I'm not sure any of them were a break the bank "home run hire" based on their resume before taking the job.

The exception might be Majors who was coming off a national title, but every other season up to that point in his coaching career, his teams lost 4 games or more.

So, this coaching search is no different than any other.
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Since 1970, there has been exactly one college head football coach who won a National Championship but then immediately left that job for another college head coaching job. Who do you think that coach was and where did he go? And while you're thinking of the answer to that question, why don't you ponder what "home run hires" Galen Hall, Ron Zook, Will Muschamp and Jim McElwain were - ONLY DO IT ON A F***ING FLORIDA GATOR BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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ukvols said:
Hiring Kiffin instead of Patterson or Brian Kelly was an epic screw-up.
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I will agree on that ! maybe not on Brian Kelly but Not hiring Patterson was dumb. Dont you wish we could get a mulligan there
 
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rickyyrs said:
We can't even get a big time coach to commit to us. And there is talk about Ohio St DC Schiano (who was at Penn St) Are you serious. The crap he did or knew about is a whole lot worse than what Kiffin did. I am telling you if Kiffin was coach here we would win championships. The guy can coach. He would bring in good coaches and recruiters with him. I would give him a contract and put alot of clauses in it.
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Uh, did you know he was fired at USC when he couldn't win way out there??
 
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BTS said:
i agree with you on everything but one thing. Majors was at Iowa State a very very down program and he won some games there . Then he went to Pitt and they were no power house and he built a championship team there . He then came here and built the foundation that Fulmer eventual succeeded on despite have to address new recruiting parameters that even hamstrug Bear Bryant in the last part of his career. Majors was a very very good football coach and should be given his due respect.
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When Majors was at Pitt, most people don't realize now that he had been able to recruit almost twice the number that is currently allowed. Don't remember the numbers from then, but when he got here, the NCAA had but limits, or was putting limits on. Of course it hurt us. We were sure "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" it would bring us a National Championship real quick, Dec of 76. Well, under Fulmer. in 97, it finally happened.
 
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BowlBrother85 said:
Since 1970, there has been exactly one college head football coach who won a National Championship but then immediately left that job for another college head coaching job. Who do you think that coach was and where did he go? And while you're thinking of the answer to that question, why don't you ponder what "home run hires" Galen Hall, Ron Zook, Will Muschamp and Jim McElwain were - ONLY DO IT ON A F***ING FLORIDA GATOR BOARD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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And why did said coach leave for the particular job that he did? For one reason and one reason only.
 
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NUMBER1VOLFAN said:
When Majors was at Pitt, most people don't realize now that he had been able to recruit almost twice the number that is currently allowed. Don't remember the numbers from then, but when he got here, the NCAA had but limits, or was putting limits on. Of course it hurt us. We were sure "When Johnny Comes Marching Home" it would bring us a National Championship real quick, Dec of 76. Well, under Fulmer. in 97, it finally happened.
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Yeah i think he gave out like over a hundred scholarships his first year at Pitt. Bryant use to give scholarships to kids that he knew he wasnt going to play just to keep other teams from getting them LOL. Didnt have to evaluate much back then if you thought they could play give them a scholarship.
 
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KBVol said:
And why did said coach leave for the particular job that he did? For one reason and one reason only.
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It doesn't matter why! What I said was 100% fact... but if you like a Gator coming here and trying to run us down when their last two hires have been flops - then go ahead and kiss his butt. :good!:
 
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