Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLIV

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Vol knight said:
Do you not realize how bad of a program Mississippi state football is? They have a losing overall record (553–572–39). What Mullen has done at Mississippi State is nothing short of incredible.
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Today is your birthday right? How old are you again? 21? Something like that?

I remember when MSU was competitive under Jackie Sherril, albeit briefly. I also remember the SEC championship game when they gave us a run for our money.

While the SEC West is tough, its not undoable. We're not talking 2-15 against top 5 teams or top 10 teams. It's ranked teams in general. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. And he he's had 9 years to find one acorn.

No thanks.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Petersen is an example of “he did this @ ____”

What was Washington before he arrived? Slaw. Now, Top 10 program. No 4-5 division finish averages. This is what it looks like to have a coach who will take you to the next level

If he would even listen, Currie should be stark naked on the back of a missle to see him
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Not a great example. Washington has a historical winning percentage of over .600 and Sark left them in a decent spot when he went to USC.
 
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Volwark said:
Today is your birthday right? How old are you again? 21? Something like that?

I remember when MSU was competitive under Jackie Sherril, albeit briefly. I also remember the SEC championship game when they gave us a run for our money.

While the SEC West is tough, its not undoable. We're not talking 2-15 against top 5 teams or top 10 teams. It's ranked teams in general. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn. And he he's had 9 years to find one acorn.

No thanks.
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24. MSU has been in 2 SEC title games. The only one they won was back in WWII. Outside of then and late 90s, they've been vandy west. They've only won 12 bowl games in their history.

The fact that Mullen has lead MSU to a #1 ranking back in 2014 and has built up the team to where they are now is impressive to me considering how bad the school has been. I don't think he's a home run, but I do think he would be a solid choice.
 
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Vol knight said:
24. MSU has been in 2 SEC title games. The only one they won was back in WWII. Outside of then and late 90s, they've been vandy west. They've only won 12 bowl games in their history.

The fact that Mullen has lead MSU to a #1 ranking back in 2014 and has built up the team to where they are now is impressive to me considering how bad the school has been. I don't think he's a home run, but I do think he would be a solid choice.
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We don’t want a “solid” choice. We want a great choice. Especially if Florida gets Chip. Like someone said earlier, that would be an almost automatic 4-4 sec record every year. Bama, Florida, Georgia and whatever team from the West we play. Dan always loses one he’s not supposed to as well. He is good with QBs, but that’s not enough here.
 
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Volwark said:
I kinda don't blame him tho. Kinda hard to jump and pull that ripcord when you got this on the parachute:

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(A) That’s a dumb, cherry-picked stat. Mullen has beaten a #2, #6, #7, #8, #12, #22 and #25.

(B) Of those 15, 12 were to higher ranked teams (the only ones where MSU was ranked higher were Bama, Ole Miss and GT, all in 2014 after MSU climbed to #1 for four weeks).

(C) Of those 15, 4 were to Saban and 2 more were to top-5 LSU teams.

(D) In the 8 years before Mullen got to MSU, they only won more than 4 games once, so the fact that we’re even having this conversation reflects well on Mullen.
 
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Darth_Shiveman said:
Not a great example. Washington has a historical winning percentage of over .600 and Sark left them in a decent spot when he went to USC.
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I will give you partial credit for this :)

Boise + Washington has been Top notch

Miss State... 4-5 in their division

Just showing the difference of what a true Top coach accomplishes with less.
 
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drylo said:
(A) That’s a dumb, cherry-picked stat. Mullen has beaten a #2, #6, #7, #8, #12, #22 and #25.

(B) Of those 15, 12 were to higher ranked teams (the only ones where MSU was ranked higher were Bama, Ole Miss and GT, all in 2014 after MSU climbed to #1 for four weeks).

(C) Of those 15, 4 were to Saban and 2 more were to top-5 LSU teams.

(D) In the 8 years before Mullen got to MSU, they only won more than 4 games once, so even having this conversation reflects well on Mullen.
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All ranked teams he’s beaten has finished 8-5 or worse. Every single one. I think only one ended up ranked.

Mid season rankings are garbage. How does it shake out in the end?

Butch Jones has more quality wins in 5 years at Tennessee than Mullen has for his career
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
All ranked teams he’s beaten has finished 8-5 or worse. Every single one. I think only one ended up ranked.

Mid season rankings are garbage. How does it shake out in the end?
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Fair point... but before Mullen got there, they won 27 GAMES in 8 YEARS!!
 
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drylo said:
Fair point... but before Mullen got there, they won 27 GAMES in 8 YEARS!!
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Respectfully, I ask you to go look over his career wins on his Wikipedia.

If a win impresses you, click in that team, and it will show you how they did that year.

You will find Mullen has beaten virtually no one worth a stale fart.

His 10 win season had quality wins at the time.... all finished 8-5 or worse

Dig a little deeper
 
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drylo said:
Fair point... but before Mullen got there, they won 27 GAMES in 8 YEARS!!
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With all due respect that has no effect on what Mullen has actually achieved in the field. That tells me how bad their last coaches were

His record is clear to see.

Good coach... not elite
 
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Vol knight said:
24. MSU has been in 2 SEC title games. The only one they won was back in WWII. Outside of then and late 90s, they've been vandy west. They've only won 12 bowl games in their history.

The fact that Mullen has lead MSU to a #1 ranking back in 2014 and has built up the team to where they are now is impressive to me considering how bad the school has been. I don't think he's a home run, but I do think he would be a solid choice.
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I think he would be solid too. He would do better than Butch, and he would probably do better here than he has at MSU. IMO that's still not good enough.

When I consider his record against ranked opponents (ended up being ranked, not ranked when they played them cause that is misleading), I am just not that impressed by his overall record.

I think he would probably win the east here at least a couple of times, but that really depends on who FL gets and if Smart is the real deal. I definitely don't entertain visions of him winning the SEC or a NC, and that's my problem with him.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
With all due respect that has no effect on what Mullen has actually achieved in the field. That tells me how bad their last coaches were

His record is clear to see.

Good coach... not elite
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He’s beaten everybody but Saban, including Meyer, Miles, Sumlin, Freeze, Pinkel — teams and coaches that UT was never able to beat (literally, UT has never beaten any of those coaches). And he did it at MSU. I would love “elite,” but “elite” may not be walking through that door.
 
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Volwark said:
I think he would be solid too. He would do better than Butch, and he would probably do better here than he has at MSU. IMO that's still not good enough.

When I consider his record against ranked opponents (ended up being ranked, not ranked when they played them cause that is misleading), I am just not that impressed by his overall record.

I think he would probably win the east here at least a couple of times, but that really depends on who FL gets and if Smart is the real deal. I definitely don't entertain visions of him winning the SEC or a NC, and that's my problem with him.
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I guess we'll agree to disagree then on the last part.
 
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drylo said:
He’s beaten everybody but Saban, including Meyer, Miles, Sumlin, Freeze, Pinkel — teams and coaches that UT was never able to beat (literally, UT has never beaten any of those coaches). And he did it at MSU. I would love “elite,” but “elite” may not be walking through that door.
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UT did literally beat Pinkel though. That was a horrible Florida team. The gif of Meyer said it all
 
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Btw, think Mullen is a good coach and could do well here. Wouldn’t be too amped, but would know we could’ve done worse. Just thought that’s not the best argument for him. Could say Butch beat Spurrier, Kirby, Fuente, Ferentz etc but doesn’t mean much
 
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onescovol said:
UT did literally beat Pinkel though. That was a horrible Florida team. The gif of Meyer said it all
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Beat Saban at LSU if you wanna be literal

Played Sumlin and Freeze one time. Opportunity discrepancy there. We lost to a very good Ole Miss team that went 9-4 and beat Bama that year. He beat 5-7 Freeze last year

Article is a year old, but here is how he’s done in the SEC

Dan Mullen's record vs. every SEC team
 
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Just read through all 36 pages. Wow. What a ride.

You go up. You come down.

What will tomorrow bring???

I will be on a plane for the next 12 hours - I am sure some more interesting things will develop.
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
Beat Saban at LSU if you wanna be literal

Played Sumlin and Freeze one time. Opportunity discrepancy there. We lost to a very good Ole Miss team that went 9-4 and beat Bama that year. He beat 5-7 Freeze last year

Article is a year old, but here is how he’s done in the SEC

Dan Mullen's record vs. every SEC team
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Mullen’s career at MSU (the SEC West cellar-dweller) has coincided with probably the most dominant run by a single conference (SEC), division (SEC West) and team (Alabama) in college football history.

He took over a team that only won more than 4 games once in the previous 8 years (and 3 or fewer games in 6 of those years) and was facing a very stiff headwind. You can say what you want about the teams he beat at MSU, but the guy dramatically improved the program in a much more competitive environment than the one in which it had struggled mightily for nearly a decade.
 
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Mullen is about to win 9 regular season games and go to his 8th straight bowl game. Ah, the gold old days. Last time we won 9 in the regular season, Mullen was in between national championships as OC at Florida. Last time we had an 8-year bowl streak, Mullen was coaching a Heisman finalist QB out in the Mountain West.
 
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drylo said:
Mullen’s career at MSU (the SEC West cellar-dweller) has coincided with probably the most dominant run by a single conference (SEC), division (SEC West) and team (Alabama) in college football history.

He took over a team that only won more than 4 games once in the previous 8 years (and 3 or fewer games in 6 of those years) and was facing a very stiff headwind. You can say what you want about the teams he beat at MSU, but the guy dramatically improved the program in a much more competitive environment than the one in which it had struggled mightily for nearly a decade.
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I will agree to this point
 
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drylo said:
Mullen is about to win 9 regular season games and go to his 8th straight bowl game. Ah, the gold old days. Last time we won 9 in the regular season, Mullen was in between national championships as OC at Florida. Last time we had an 8-year bowl streak, Mullen was coaching a Heisman finalist QB out in the Mountain West.
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So how would you feel about winning every game besides Bama Florida and Georgia for the next 5 years? 9 win seasons
 
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