Firing Philip Fulmer was the worst mistake a major program has ever made

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114VOL said:
You and the other University of Fulmer fans are as delusional about him as he was about himself. He interviewed at both Louisville and Kansas. neither offered. In fact there's an article about his interview at Kansas. Look it up.

Well just how did Kansas do since it did not hire Fulmer?


2012 1–11 0–9, Charlie Weis
2013 3–9 1–8,
2014 3–9 1–8, Charlie Weis,
Clint Bowen
2015 0–12 0–9, David Beaty
2016 2-10 1-8,
2017 1-8
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BanditVol said:
Majors was a horses ass who didn't get along with any of his assistants (ran a record number of them off over the years), his players, the admin, the alumni donors (famously told them off one time) or even your average fan. He consistently underachieved, probably due to his frequent trips into the bottle.

When he was let go, President Joe Johnson said it was about his inability to get along with anyone as much as anything else.

I was glad to see him go, and Fulmer was a definite upgrade. Fulmer was also let go too soon, should have kept him around a few more years and eased into the transition.

It's too late now. Just gotta hope Christie hits a home run on this next hire.
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Complete BS. He didn't get along with a few, but most of them love Majors.....ask Gruden. Ask Walt Harris. Ask Kippy Brown. Ask Cutcliffe.They all have high praise for Majors

And no, Fulmer wasn't a definitive upgrade. Majors' coaching tree puts Fulmer's to shame
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
Majors was an alcoholic. He did himself in.
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And Fulmer let the program slide into mediocrity. He did himself in as well but all the ignorant University of Fulmer yahoos forget that we haven't been a national contender since 2001.

And it's complete BS that Majors was an alcoholic. You haven't got the first damn clue.
 
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Vanbo73 said:
Careful....your IQ is showing.
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If you’re still complaining about Fulmer almost a full damn decade later, and still can’t comprehend the distinction between a firing and the subsequent hires that followed it, you probably shouldn’t be saying anything about IQ.
 
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NashVol11 said:
If you’re still complaining about Fulmer almost a full damn decade later, and still can’t comprehend the distinction between a firing and the subsequent hires that followed it, you probably shouldn’t be saying anything about IQ.
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I'm just amused by all of the inbreeds that cried for more, more, more! Where's it at ? How'd those brilliant decisions work out for y'all? It's Fulmer's fault, get rid of him. Kiffen was a bad hire. Dooley is a bad hire. Butch is a bad hire. You genius fellers keep making those great decisions. Here's to you!
 
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Vanbo73 said:
I'm just amused by all of the inbreeds that cried for more, more, more! Where's it at ? How'd those brilliant decisions work out for y'all? It's Fulmer's fault, get rid of him. Kiffen was a bad hire. Dooley is a bad hire. Butch is a bad hire. You genius fellers keep making those great decisions. Here's to you!
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We should always be thankful for Fulmer's work at UT and embarrassed by how he was fired.

His performance slipped and it was time for him to go.

The following two hires are each a separate issue and were poor choices. The quality of those choices have no bearing on letting Fulmer go. The only connection is the chronology.

You can believe and argue that Fulmer should have been given more time. It is an argument by itself.
 
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Hubbard said:
We should always be thankful for Fulmer's work at UT and embarrassed by how he was fired.

His performance slipped and it was time for him to go.

The following two hires are each a separate issue and were poor choices. The quality of those choices have no bearing on letting Fulmer go. The only connection is the chronology.

You can believe and argue that Fulmer should have been given more time. It is an argument by itself.
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why should "we" be embarrased? It was handled wrong at the administration level and dragged out way too long. Coach Fulmer should have been rolled into a administrative position or at least offered one. Again, it was allowed to drag on wayyyyy to long.

I think this is why Vol nation as a whole were apprehensive about Jones and figured he was gonna drag the program down again. And while it wasn't as soon as I would have liked Jones gone, Curries handling of the situation was light years beyond the previous administrations.
 
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Rgntddybrvol91 said:
why should "we" be embarrased? It was handled wrong at the administration level and dragged out way too long. Coach Fulmer should have been rolled into a administrative position or at least offered one. Again, it was allowed to drag on wayyyyy to long.

I think this is why Vol nation as a whole were apprehensive about Jones and figured he was gonna drag the program down again. And while it wasn't as soon as I would have liked Jones gone, Curries handling of the situation was light years beyond the previous administrations.
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If I say, "we won", I should be willing to say "we screwed up".

I like what Currie has done in his short tenure as AD at UT.
 
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jsc1973 said:
Maybe it was a mistake, but you know what? We can't go back in time nine years and make Hamilton give Fulmer one more year to get things back on track.

And even if he had, I don't think Fulmer ever would have contended for a national title again. He would have had more good seasons, probably a couple more trips to the SECCG, might have even slipped in another SEC title if he'd done well in 2010, the year Bama was down a bit. But it would have been 9-4, 10-3 type seasons, with a 7-6 or 6-7 thrown in here and there.



The worst mistake wasn't dropping Fulmer. The glory years weren't coming back under him. It was who came after him...
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but he deserved(Correction he earned) enough rspect to have waited till the end of the season and then let him announce his retirement
 
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It wouldn't surprise me if Tennessee wasn't trying to find a way to bring Fulmer back. Would we go for that I don't think so. What would a Fulmer staff look like? Would Fulmer be successful with Tee Martin,Randy Sanders,Jay Graham, you know Tennessee blood on his staff. I for one felt that Fulmer should have had a chance to turn the program around it was a premature firing on Hamilton's part. I know he could do it! We need a proven leader coaching this team.
 
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Phil was great for a period but that period had passed when they got rid of him. If he'd been an elite coach someone would've hired him. Our mistake was how he was treated on the way out and who we hired to replace him. The hilarious thing is after all these failures we allowed Hamilton to hire another coach. Oh btw while we were in the hiring process after fulmer we managed to piss off patterson and other coaches with our search BC of how it was handled. Mike Hamilton was the most incompetent AD in the history of college sports.
 
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FaithDrivenVol said:
It wouldn't surprise me if Tennessee wasn't trying to find a way to bring Fulmer back. Would we go for that I don't think so. What would a Fulmer staff look like? Would Fulmer be successful with Tee Martin,Randy Sanders,Jay Graham, you know Tennessee blood on his staff. I for one felt that Fulmer should have had a chance to turn the program around it was a premature firing on Hamilton's part. I know he could do it! We need a proven leader coaching this team.
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I would have been all aboard bringing Fulmer back after Hamilton and Kiffen/Dooley. Now, the man is 67 and separated from recruitment for almost a decade. The kids today probably don't know who he is.
I would be for a Tee Martin, Cutcliffe and Chief team.
 
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Vanbo73 said:
I would have been all aboard bringing Fulmer back after Hamilton and Kiffen/Dooley. Now, the man is 67 and separated from recruitment for almost a decade. The kids today probably don't know who he is.
I would be for a Tee Martin, Cutcliffe and Chief team.
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Here is my thought

Bring Fulmer back for 2 years to developed a coach.The coach would come from Tennessee blood line. Flumer surrounds himself with great recruiters and coaches Tee Martin,Randy Sanders,Jay Graham,etc.

To your point Now, the man is 67 and separated from recruitment for almost a decade.

67 is not old in today's standards men are living longer.

To your point the kids today probably don't know who he is.

Recruits have access to youtube and there are alot of Tennessee videos of coach Fulmer to discover.How many coaches can say they have won a National Championship.

I know something like this would work!
 
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Just because you won a few grand at roulette one night doesn't mean it is a good investment vehicle for retirement.

You don't judge a decision solely based on the outcome. People do the same thing with the kick 6 f auburn. Even though bama lost it WAS the right call..the odds of the made fg far exceeded the chance of a return f td. You have to look at the environment AT THE TIME THE DECISION WAS MADE.

Fulmer succeeding as he did at ut for so long was hardly a given. They fired a guy whose last 4 yrs were 38-8-2 with 2 SEC championships. How does that compare with fulmer's last 4?

Having said that in retrospect yes it was a mistake to fire fulmer but worst ever? Good lord have some perspective. Maybe harboring and protecting a pedophile f decades MIGHT be worse. Hyperbole much?
 
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volcop1 said:
how old are you now 114 12 years old ?
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Sorry If I hurt your feelings. I am much older than you. I have talked to Phillip more often in one day than you have in your entire life combined. Sorry, but if he were as great as you say, someone of significance would have offered him a coaching job after he was fired from UT.

The fact that guys like you can't acknowledge the drift to mediocrity under Fulmer and use selective memory to defend him proves you're a fan of the University of Fulmer and not the University of Tennessee. As an alumnus and a 4 year letterman, I choose to expect better.

Grow up
 
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114VOL said:
Sorry If I hurt your feelings. I am much older than you. I have talked to Phillip more often in one day than you have in your entire life combined. Sorry, but if he were as great as you say, someone of significance would have offered him a coaching job after he was fired from UT.

The fact that guys like you can't acknowledge the drift to mediocrity under Fulmer and use selective memory to defend him proves you're a fan of the University of Fulmer and not the University of Tennessee. As an alumnus and a 4 year letterman, I choose to expect better.

Grow up
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Excellent post!
 
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The problem wasn't firing Fulmer. The problem was hiring Kiffin to replace him. Instead of the decision being based on the qualifications of the HC it was based primarily on him bringing an all-star recruiting staff and his dad on staff. Even if he hadn't bolted after one year they'd probably had us on probation if he stayed.

But the way things were declining under Fulmer, if we kept him we could've enjoy a lot of 5 to 7 win seasons, just like we did without him.
 
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Hire Brian Kelly or Gary Patterson instead of Kiffin, and we’re in a completely different spot.
 
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