Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLII

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Was he watching the Vols ping pong team you think? Or is he strategizing for the fundraising for the $380 million he needs to renovate Neyland?
 
Are we back to believing that skeeter is the end all be all of insiders?

What was the last scoop he even brought to the board that was legit?

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Worst VOLS team ever and the most boring. I was turning the channel to watch Bama/Miss State and Mark Richt during that mess. I don't think I've ever done that before.
 
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Are we back to believing that skeeter is the end all be all of insiders?

What was the last scoop he even brought to the board that was legit?

Most people had this wrong so I don’t blame him but one of his last posts said Higgins was all vol lol.
 
Is Tn football dead? I mean, is there any coming back from this? It’s been years since we’ve been relevant. Are we done? Serious question.

Nah Bass I believe it comes down to who we get as HC and his ability to get the team to bite into what he's selling. Which I guess if Butch can do it that and he did at the beginning, I am banking the next to be able to. Huge hire coming up imo.
 
Nah Bass I believe it comes down to who we get as HC and his ability to get the team to bite into what he's selling. Which I guess if Butch can do it that and he did at the beginning, I am banking the next to be able to. Huge hire coming up imo.

If we hire a big time coach who can salvage the class I guess it’s possible we could be playing at an elite level in 2019.

I’m just straight outta optimism at this point. It’s gone
 
Thing is we could hire Satterfield and 90% would end up buying in and buying season tickets just like before. Our fans are too good for this **** administration.

We need a home run or we are screwed another 5 years.
 
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Butch was ultimately more successful than Dooley and did a good job of turning us back towards at least minimal success instead of embarrasment.

But he hit his ceiling and can’t compete at an SEC level. He is a good salesman but can’t develop a program beyond the first 3 years

The problem is that, in this day and age, a new coach is like a guy with a running start pushing a giant stone up a hill. You really have to get over the hump in those first couple/few years, or else that stone starts rolling back down and steamrolls you. Butch was more successful than Dooley, and he was actually pretty close to cresting that hill, but bad breaks in those close 2015 games and then the injuries and dysfunction last year... and now it’s just over. He missed his window to make the leap.
 
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Thing is we could hire Satterfield and 90% would end up buying in and buying season tickets just like before. Our fans are too good for this **** administration.

You are correct. Admins know it, too. I really think they detest the fanbase. At least the ones on the academic side, and apparently that's where Big Jim's loyalties lie right now.
 
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The problem is that, in this day and age, a new coach is like a guy with a running start pushing a giant stone up a hill. You really have to get over the hump in those first couple/few years, or else that stone starts rolling back down and steamrolls you. Butch was more successful than Dooley, and he was actually pretty close to cresting that hill, but bad breaks in those close 2015 games and then the injuries and dysfunction last year... and now it’s just over. He missed his window to make the leap.

That’s a really great analogy and you’re spot on imo. Great post right there
 
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They are very comparable. Patterson does have the conference championships, but they were easier pathways through easier conferences. Mullen's track record with QB's gives him the edge IMO.

Patterson's record is much better than I thought initially and blows Mullens away. He has racked up lots of wins against lesser competition, but so has Mullen.

I don't think it's close. I thought it would seem closer off the top of my head.
 
If we hire a big time coach who can salvage the class I guess it’s possible we could be playing at an elite level in 2019.

I’m just straight outta optimism at this point. It’s gone

Well..I'm pretty much right there with you, but even though I see the same black hole of suckitude ahead of us as you..I'm still a Vol till I die.
 
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Even Hubbs and co. were wrong about Higgins. Skeeter said Strong all along in 2012.

I remember Skeeter saying Tee coming home. People thought that meant he was signing with Butch, but I think it meant that he was visiting to talk to Butch. (and he did do that)
 
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