Recruiting Forum Football Talk XLII

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HankHill said:
Yea i agree. If we pull Gruden then i will be just as happy as everyone here. My whole
Approach has been far from Gruden or bust. There’s so many coaches that would do well here. Butch is terrible and had us in position for a Bcs bowl last year.
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The only difference between me and you, is I would rather take a chance on a high ceiling guy, than a high floor guy like Mehlan.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Much like yourself with Gruden, my friend.

I'd love to have the guy but highly doubt "he's coming."
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Honestly I haven't done much hyping of Gruden, I'm just excited about the idea of it happening. And IMO, there's not enough hype around here for what would actually happen if he was announced UT's next HC. I don't think some of you understand the magnitude of JG to UT on a national scale. How it would make UT relevant instantly. How recruiting would take off like never before seen. Just imagine the staff he would put together?

What kind of national buzz would happen if Mullen, Taggart, or Brohm were introduced as the next UT HC? Not a whole lot if we're being honest. Sure, they're all upgrades but not instant WOW HOLY SHT factor that Gruden would bring.

So, again, IMO...More hype is needed, not less.
 
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Ulysees E. McGill said:
The only difference between me and you, is I would rather take a chance on a high ceiling guy, than a high floor guy like Mehlan.
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I'm kinda at that point as well. One of my fears with Mullen is that we end up with a situation that we thought was a possibility with Jones. He keeps going 9-4/10-3 but only wins the East maybe once in a 7-8 year period.

I don't think the UT AD would ever fire him if he was reeling off those records every year, and we would be stuck with good but not great results and no hope of ever breaking through.
 
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HankHill said:
I’m not anti Gruden. He was a good NFL coach 10 years ago. I think his actual coaching ability has grown into that of legend status because he has became so likeable on TV. But in regards to TN i just don’t look at him as the savior of TN football. i just don’t think he coaches in college period. So i would rather our donors and other people far more important than I, focus their efforts on one of the ~10 coaches I think we can get that would be very successful here.
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There are 31 coaches in the history of football who have a super bowl ring as a head coach. He is one of them. Go look at the list and find me one that wasn't really really good. That's where his coaching legend comes from. The celebrity part is the cherry on top for recruiting purposes.

He probably won't coach here, but that's a different discussion than how good he would be.
 
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Aesius said:
Yep. He's also unique in that he seems to get the absolute best out of his players.

I think a lot of that is due to there being such a huge log jam of talent at every position. Guys can't afford to slack off at Bama, even uber talented 5*s. He will just process them to make room for new 5*s if they don't pan out immediately.
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He is great at that, and he has "The System" propping it all up. That is his biggest advantage, or at least was in the beginning. I think now it's just a perpetual motion machine.
 
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HankHill said:
I’m not anti Gruden. He was a good NFL coach 10 years ago. I think his actual coaching ability has grown into that of legend status because he has became so likeable on TV. But in regards to TN i just don’t look at him as the savior of TN football. i just don’t think he coaches in college period. So i would rather our donors and other people far more important than I, focus their efforts on one of the ~10 coaches I think we can get that would be very successful here.
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Exactly. Like the poster earlier that implied that if Gruden wanted to coach he could have any NFL job he wanted. Lol. No. If he wanted to coach and could have gotten a good NFL job over the last decade he would have taken it. NFL GMs are not calling him offering him every NFL job. The real Gruden and the Gruden that UT fans have created in their mind are not even close to the same.
 
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Man the ff is a depressing place. I put up a thread with the stat that with a loss today tn will have a losing streak vs every SEC team and most are getting onto me and negativity. Lol. Since when are facts negative. It’s the truth and it’s embarrasing for UT and as fans we should demand better
 
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LaagerVol said:
We want our best years moving forward, not our best years mixed with our worst. People who bring up a 100 year average are misguided. There are ups and downs, but why would we suffer through the bad times only to be rewarded with mediocrity?

Peaks and valleys are acceptable and expected, just don't tell me that my peak isn't much of a peak, but more like a foothill.
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Our best ever 5 year span was 1995-1999. We only won two division titles in that span.
 
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jordan4vols said:
Man the ff is a depressing place. I put up a thread with the stat that with a loss today tn will have a losing streak vs every SEC team and most are getting onto me and negativity. Lol. Since when are facts negative. It’s the truth and it’s embarrasing for UT and as fans we should demand better
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Kinda beating a dead horse at this point. Jones is a dead man walking. We WILL get a better coach in probably two weeks, perhaps less if it's Gruden or someone not coaching.
 
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HankHill said:
Yea i agree. If we pull Gruden then i will be just as happy as everyone here. My whole
Approach has been far from Gruden or bust. There’s so many coaches that would do well here. Butch is terrible and had us in position for a Bcs bowl last year.
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Yeah I am with you on that aspect, that is why I am on the Mullen train if a few in front of him say no. Anything is an upgrade from where we are.

I think the fact that we are hearing about interest from Mullen, Taggart, etc is because I don’t think Currie is playing this as Gruden or bust. I think Gruden is his #1 target but he also knows he doesn’t want to put all of his eggs in one basket.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Honestly I haven't done much hyping of Gruden, I'm just excited about the idea of it happening. And IMO, there's not enough hype around here for what would actually happen if he was announced UT's next HC. I don't think some of you understand the magnitude of JG to UT on a national scale. How it would make UT relevant instantly. How recruiting would take off like never before seen. Just imagine the staff he would put together?

What kind of national buzz would happen if Mullen, Taggart, or Brohm were introduced as the next UT HC? Not a whole lot if we're being honest. Sure, they're all upgrades but not instant WOW HOLY SHT factor that Gruden would bring.

So, again, IMO...More hype is needed, not less.
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Sure there's excitement IF he is hired. I can't make that "if" big enough.

If he doesn't accept this job, he's putting whatever coach we do hire in a hole. Like previously mentioned, if we put half the effort into other coaches that we have with Gruden, we'd already have a damn good one locked up.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Honestly I haven't done much hyping of Gruden, I'm just excited about the idea of it happening. And IMO, there's not enough hype around here for what would actually happen if he was announced UT's next HC. I don't think some of you understand the magnitude of JG to UT on a national scale. How it would make UT relevant instantly. How recruiting would take off like never before seen. Just imagine the staff he would put together?

What kind of national buzz would happen if Mullen, Taggart, or Brohm were introduced as the next UT HC? Not a whole lot if we're being honest. Sure, they're all upgrades but not instant WOW HOLY SHT factor that Gruden would bring.

So, again, IMO...More hype is needed, not less.
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Gruden would bring hype and substance. The man can coach. His problem in the NFL was talent acquisition, he would not have that problem in CFB.
 
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volfaninpa said:
Any chance the recruiting class falling apart is why they'd take action now?
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This recruiting class is going to be just fine with a good to great hire as long as the new hire is made right after Vandy game or sooner. I stopped paying attention to recruiting after UGA. It doesn't matter until the next coach is announced. Then recruiting is all that matters until next fall.
 
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Ron Swanson said:
Honestly I haven't done much hyping of Gruden, I'm just excited about the idea of it happening. And IMO, there's not enough hype around here for what would actually happen if he was announced UT's next HC. I don't think some of you understand the magnitude of JG to UT on a national scale. How it would make UT relevant instantly. How recruiting would take off like never before seen. Just imagine the staff he would put together?

What kind of national buzz would happen if Mullen, Taggart, or Brohm were introduced as the next UT HC? Not a whole lot if we're being honest. Sure, they're all upgrades but not instant WOW HOLY SHT factor that Gruden would bring.

So, again, IMO...More hype is needed, not less.
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I believe the large majority understand the instant impact. There is just a large number of those that believe it won't happen and those, like me, that are cautious.

I promise you, if Gruden is announced, I will likely be arrested and charged with something that involves streaking and firearms.
 
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Aesius said:
Yeah. It just seems strange to me that almost every insider is "IN" on Gruden right now. Are they all that concerned about temporary e-cred and likes? Are they all just hopping on the bandwagon and not wanting to get left out of the fun and kudos that come with posting cryptic messages and emojis?

Even Larry is giving some credence to the idea that it could happen, albeit in his typical extremely reserved/pessimistic manner.
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Swan and Matt are in. What about JAV?

Larry is gonna need to see the podium before he goes to 51%.
 
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HankHill said:
Yea i agree. If we pull Gruden then i will be just as happy as everyone here. My whole
Approach has been far from Gruden or bust. There’s so many coaches that would do well here. Butch is terrible and had us in position for a Bcs bowl last year.
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I don't mean to come across as Gruden or bust, but I probably do because I spend so much time defending him. There are a number of other coaches I would be happy with, a couple I would be thrilled with. I just don't see how people try to downplay the impact he would have just because they don't think he would coach here.
 
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Aesius said:
Kinda beating a dead horse at this point. Jones is a dead man walking. We WILL get a better coach in probably two weeks, perhaps less if it's Gruden or someone not coaching.
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Just this week we’ve had news outlets stating Currie hasn’t made a decision and Jones is rallying boosters to his side and letting him make some changes. I agree I think Jones is a dead man walking but we are being fed junk from the university and they have shown over the last 10 years tht they don’t care about winning. We as fans and alumni should demand better. We’re not Kentucky when it comes to football but we’re quicky becoming it.
 
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LotteryPick said:
Sure there's excitement IF he is hired. I can't make that "if" big enough.

If he doesn't accept this job, he's putting whatever coach we do hire in a hole. Like previously mentioned, if we put half the effort into other coaches that we have with Gruden, we'd already have a damn good one locked up.
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No one knows the true effort behind the scenes besides Currie and a few others.
 
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Aesius said:
Just makes what Saban is doing/has done at Bama that much more impressive.

Meyer has all the talent in the world and is roughly Saban's equal as a coach, but he's human. Loses to vastly inferior teams. Saban drops games, sure, but his team pretty much always shows up and it requires a Heisman QB and/or a lot of turnovers for him to actually lose.
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It is very rare that he loses to an inferior team though. He's not Saban, but he's definitely the second best college coach out there. Record speaks for itself.
 
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