Bible Topic Thread (merged)

#877
#877
Volnissniss said:
OE it is so weird that you started this thread b/c ever since I read what you and Mania said about talking about stuff that doesn't matter your neighbor has died and gone to hell b/c you didn't talk to him about Jesus Christ. I have wanted to talk about that since then. It's things like that that make me a little sick over organized religion. I believe God judges the persons heart, sure witness and try to save all day but you can't say for sure what was in the neighbors heart. Furthermore it's not your place to "save" them, leave that business for God. Now talking about Jesus is fine but I just think Christians can be extremely arrogant.

My father-in-law is a pentecostal preacher and he stands by his opinion that if a person does not accept JC into his/her heart then they are not allowed entrance into heaven. So what about all those innocent children that were born in the jungle or in the middle East. I honestly believe Christians are capable of a hate that is frightning. So he thinks they will have an opportunity to accept JC at some point in their lives. The religion I was raised in says Jesus second coming will happen after every ear has heard the angels message of Jesus Christ.
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I do not know how to highlight a sentence, so, The question about the innocent children answers its self. All children are innocent in Gods eyes. If they have not heard the truth, how can they believe. In other words, not their fault.
 
#879
#879
GAVol said:
I agree. Otherwise people would not pass gas and there would be no such thing as beer.
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Exactly, I choose not to drink because I have seen what the "abuse" can do to people.

That is my choice and my conviction.

What I cannot do is blame other who drink and not "abuse" alcohol.
 
#880
#880
T-TownVol said:
I do not know how to highlight a sentence, so, The question about the innocent children answers its self. All children are innocent in Gods eyes. If they have not heard the truth, how can they believe. In other words, not their fault.
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I don't want to run off on and completely skirt this topic, but does any one believe Christ can only return once every one on Earth has heard the message of salvation?
 
#881
#881
Last fall, I did not start the tread but I jumped in with both feet, giving scripture references and, according to the Mod, "preaching too much".
The topic was whether if every word in the Bible is true.
 
#884
#884
T-TownVol said:
Last fall, I did not start the tread but I jumped in with both feet, giving scripture references and, according to the Mod, "preaching too much".
The topic was whether if every word in the Bible is true.
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The answer is no...........

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Check your italics and note that some translators took some liberties.........

I know.... silly answer.....
 
#885
#885
OrangeEmpire said:
I don't want to run off on and completely skirt this topic, but does any one believe Christ can only return once every one on Earth has heard the message of salvation?
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I do not believe that. Christians are to keep trying though.
 
#886
#886
volinbham said:
So OE - do you have to be Christian to be saved (to have a positive afterlife)?
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1.) What I want to believe.......... no........ you do not have to be a christian......

2.) What I have in my heart.... yes...... regardless you have to profess faith in Jesus......... I have searched but I cannot find any other way.....

I will have to say that TRUT... The Real UT has a great insight on this stuff and it is a shame he cannot be here to discuss.
 
#891
#891
volinbham said:
I think he created pathways for someone's life to allow intervention but in general I don't think he's picking and choosing people for intervention.
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I believe that the pathway of which you speak is the acceptance of his Grace in your life. We do not deserve Heaven, it is a gift.
I do believe, because the Bible tells us, that the saved are chosen by God.
One of the things that alot of Christians do is to say "I brought someone to Christ". No man brings anyone to Christ. The person brings himself.
 
#892
#892
OE do you think that one can be saved and not baptised and still go to heaven? If I'm not mistaken it's about accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. So as long as you are saved then you will go to heaven
 
#893
#893
T-TownVol said:
I do not know how to highlight a sentence, so, The question about the innocent children answers its self. All children are innocent in Gods eyes. If they have not heard the truth, how can they believe. In other words, not their fault.
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While I get what you're saying the fact remains, God knows the beginning to the end of everyone, children and adults. So theoretically He would know the child as he/she approaches, meaning some would be lost, right? And what is the age of accountibility in Heaven?
 
#894
#894
I've wondered myself about when do you lose your "innocence" as a child. I've yet to get a straight answer (no offense to anyone in here) about the heaven and hell thing. It drives me nuts to think about it.
 
#895
#895
Volnissniss said:
While I get what you're saying the fact remains, God knows the beginning to the end of everyone, children and adults. So theoretically He would know the child as he/she approaches, meaning some would be lost, right? And what is the age of accountibility in Heaven?
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The accountability issue is not a literal age in years. It when a person has the intellence to know right from wrong AND has been exposed to the Gospel. At that point, they are accountable for accepting or rejecting it.
 
#897
#897
Vol Mania 21 said:
OE do you think that one can be saved and not baptised and still go to heaven? If I'm not mistaken it's about accepting Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. So as long as you are saved then you will go to heaven
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baptism is just another step, a public display cleansing yourself. Once you accept Jesus as your savior by Christian doctrine you will go to Heaven. Even if you're not baptized.

I didn't read the whole thread, but I'll say this in response to one of OE's earlier questions.

I've been in and around the church my whole life, went to a private Christian school and minored in Bible. Even flirted with the idea of going to a seminary. I fully believe the Bible is fallible. Not on the major points, but in small key areas that don't have much if any difference in the overall theme of the Bible. Humans are not perfect and I don't believe they could write anything, even the Bible without mistake. I know the Bible translations we read today in English are marked with errors. The languages just doesn't allow for a perfect translation.
 
#898
#898
volfanbill said:
baptism is just another step, a public display cleansing yourself. Once you accept Jesus as your savior by Christian doctrine you will go to Heaven. Even if you're not baptized.

I didn't read the whole thread, but I'll say this in response to one of OE's earlier questions.

I've been in and around the church my whole life, went to a private Christian school and minored in Bible. Even flirted with the idea of going to a seminary. I fully believe the Bible is fallible. Not on the major points, but in small key areas that don't have much if any difference in the overall theme of the Bible. Humans are not perfect and I don't believe they could write anything, even the Bible without mistake. I know the Bible translations we read today in English are marked with errors. The languages just doesn't allow for a perfect translation.
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i disagree about the Bible being Fallible. Why would God inspire the writers of the Bible to make mistakes. the same God who created the universe and designed Human DNA should be able to inspire men to write a book that is perfect in his eyes. i understand what you're saying about the translations. it is complicated to translate the Bible from it's original text, but i think God wanted it to be tough enough to make Christians study and learn about the Bible.
 
#899
#899
joevol320 said:
i disagree about the Bible being Fallible. Why would God inspire the writers of the Bible to make mistakes. the same God who created the universe and designed Human DNA should be able to inspire men to write a book that is perfect in his eyes. i understand what you're saying about the translations. it is complicated to translate the Bible from it's original text, but i think God wanted it to be tough enough to make Christians study and learn about the Bible.
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Some of the modern translations have purposely chosen words that work in modern society with no real regard for the original Hebrew meaning of the word. This is debatable as to if it waters down the message. I read the Revised KJV. It stays the closest to the original books.
 
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#900
T-TownVol said:
Some of the modern translations have purposely chosen words that work in modern society with no real regard for the original Hebrew meaning of the word. This is debatable as to if it waters down the message. I read the Revised KJV. It stays the closest to the original books.
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yeah, i've read about some of the translation. some of those translation really bother me. i had read that some translation were being made as gender neutral and some have been made to include certain type of slang. i'm sure you know but the original hebrew language would have 3 or 4 names for the same word but each word had a different description. i think it loses the intent of the words when you translate the Bible in certain ways.
 
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