I have a gun control question

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Septic said:
How many of the 40,000 that were killed in their cars enjoying a Jason Aldean concert, sitting in a church pew or dancing at a night club?
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If it's all about saving lives what does it matter?
 
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armchair said:
"....across the board PRACTICAL." Do tell us about all the practical uses of an assault rifle, besides killing a bunch of innocent people in a minute or so.
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Anything for which one owns a rifle in the first place. In standard form are AR's (I'm including AR-10 platforms btw) the perfect answer to every firearm duty? No, but I guarantee you will not be able to name a platform more capable of handling the spectrum of rifle uses better than the AR, especially when you include the built in modular aspects allowing easy customization and upper swaps. (I realize that last bit probably surpassed your knowledge on the subject but that's your issue, not ours)
 
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Septic said:
Yes, because that's the same thing as the massacres described previously.

I hear that the USMC is now training its Marines to clean carburetors instead of bolt carrier groups since Chryslers are now the preferred implement of death.
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people are dying, you care about that tool not the deaths. stop pretending. a person is dead, where they shouldn't be. there are about 50 things in this nation that avoidably kill more people than guns, yet they are at the top of the list.

wouldn't surprise me if Obama had started that program, probably save the environment like those casings that are supposed to plant trees.

and if guns are such killing machines why do they fail 99% of the time?
 
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armchair said:
pulling out this tired conservative cliche again? Let's see, cars are made for taking people from one place to another and guns are made for killing people. Damn, let me think for a few minutes and see if there is a difference. Of course people are killed in cars--that's why they call since incidents ACCIDENTS. Nearly all gun deaths are intentional, not accidental. Bit of difference.....

People die falling down stairs, too....
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And they are wrong. There is almost no such thing as an accident.
 
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Septic said:
I don't think you'd find anyone who'd disagree with the sentiment that the Home Depot rental truck wasn't designed for the explicit purpose of mowing down bikers.
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it was explicitly designed to move a large mass at a high speed. no safety feature built in to stop it from hitting a pedestrian.
 
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LouderVol said:
people are dying, you care about that tool not the deaths. stop pretending. a person is dead, where they shouldn't be. there are about 50 things in this nation that avoidably kill more people than guns, yet they are at the top of the list.

wouldn't surprise me if Obama had started that program, probably save the environment like those casings that are supposed to plant trees.

and if guns are such killing machines why do they fail 99% of the time?
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The topic revolves around gun control and guns. It's in the thread title.

Some here are trying to conflate other means of death as equitable. It's a classic straw man argument and despite it not being the same and a terrible logical fallacy, people persist in trying to tie the two as similar.

I should point out that I own a number of guns, including a recently purchased AR. My guns have never failed, try cleaning yours?
 
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LouderVol said:
it was explicitly designed to move a large mass at a high speed. no safety feature built in to stop it from hitting a pedestrian.
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Great argument, convincing. Like I said the USMC is going to start issuing sedans instead of M16's.
 
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armchair said:
Guns are confiscated from criminals and gang members 247--thousands of them. It wouldn't be that hard to get rid of all, say, handguns in America. It would take some time, but you could get rid of 90 percent of them with a reasonable amount of time. If you ban the manufacture and sale and importation of guns, and the trading, and confiscate guns from all criminals, together with turn-in-your-gun efforts and other measures, you could get rid of the vast majority of handguns and assault rifles pretty quickly. The idea that you can't is just more self-serving nonsense from the pro-gun crowd. It is ever harder to solve problems in America because of the right-wing bull$hit industry. I mean, think about it: right-wing politicians and conservative individuals now choose to ignore scientific conclusions because they don't like the conclusions. Conservative voters prefer disinformation--bull$****--to real information. It's like EPA chief and pro-energy industry hack Scott Pruitt saying recently that he's "not convinced" that asbestos is a health hazard! Really. What a disreputable, loathsome individual. It's like one of us saying that we don't believe 2 + 2 equals 4 because we have a problem with the number 4. That's kind of where we are in America nowadays, sadly.
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Liberal pipe dream same as prohibition. Criminals would simply hoard guns and create a huge blackmarket same as every other illegal thing. The only people disarmed would be private citizens. Most gun owners would not turn in their guns regardless of the law passed. You have a better chance of making drug use illegal, wait it is illegal. Try changing whatever is making these nuts go crazy.
 
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LouderVol said:
suicide is the number one cause of gun deaths. mental health anyone?
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"So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law’s effectiveness."

Did gun control work in Australia? - The Washington Post

There is a high probability that gun-related suicides are so high because they are in easy reach and tend to occur in those states where many homes own guns.

Look at Japan's suicide rate:Suicides down, but Japan still second highest among major industrialized nations, report says | The Japan Times

Now look at there gun death's:Gun control: How Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths - Business Insider

Does Japan have a mental health problem: YES
Does Japan Have a problem with gun deaths: NO
 
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newarkvol said:
"So what have the Australian laws actually done for homicide and suicide rates? Howard cites a study (pdf) by Andrew Leigh of Australian National University and Christine Neill of Wilfrid Laurier University finding that the firearm homicide rate fell by 59 percent, and the firearm suicide rate fell by 65 percent, in the decade after the law was introduced, without a parallel increase in non-firearm homicides and suicides. That provides strong circumstantial evidence for the law’s effectiveness."

Did gun control work in Australia? - The Washington Post

There is a high probability that gun-related suicides are so high because they are in easy reach and tend to occur in those states where many homes own guns.

Look at Japan's suicide rate:Suicides down, but Japan still second highest among major industrialized nations, report says | The Japan Times

Now look at there gun death's:Gun control: How Japan has almost completely eliminated gun deaths - Business Insider

Does Japan have a mental health problem: YES
Does Japan Have a problem with gun deaths: NO
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Does it really matter if a firearm was used in a homicide or suicide?
 
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Septic said:
Goodness, you may be even more dense that Tums. Are you trying to pass off auto accidents as auto murder?

SLOWLY: Car crashes are not the same thing as premeditated murder.
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More should be prosecuted as such.
 
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Septic said:
The topic revolves around gun control and guns. It's in the thread title.

Some here are trying to conflate other means of death as equitable. It's a classic straw man argument and despite it not being the same and a terrible logical fallacy, people persist in trying to tie the two as similar.

I should point out that I own a number of guns, including a recently purchased AR. My guns have never failed, try cleaning yours?
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actually just had my fire selector fall out of my rifle while cleaning, dropped it off at a gunsmith. thanks for the suggestion. my date was disappointed she didn't get to shoot my gun.

and to the subject matter at hand there is already a measure of gun control in place that should have stopped this. what makes you think that more of the same would have actually stopped him? no one is arguing that he should have had a gun. yet somehow he figured out how to get one. which is what some of us have been saying from the beginning.

one side wants gun control, the other side points out that it is already in place and ineffective. one side demands more, the other side is saying that that will be just as ineffective and just more burdensome for those who won't do any damage with them.
 
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hog88 said:
Dumb. In the face of a losing argument go full retard.
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Oh, I thought I'd just join the crowd at making ridiculously absurd comments.

I mean, the statistics don't lie (I'm being told). Cars kill more people than guns and since they were clearly designed to maim and mutilate - no reason we shouldn't invade the DPRK with a bunch of Priuses.
 
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Septic said:
Great argument, convincing. Like I said the USMC is going to start issuing sedans instead of M16's.
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I believe the navy already does. :)

getting back on topic, as you are so fond of, you were saying it was designed to kill. yet what it was designed for is quite horrifically efficient and analogous with killing.
 
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Septic said:
Oh, I thought I'd just join the crowd at making ridiculously absurd comments.

I mean, the statistics don't lie (I'm being told). Cars kill more people than guns and since they were clearly designed to maim and mutilate - no reason we shouldn't invade the DPRK with a bunch of Priuses.
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Does it matter what the intended purpose of an item is once it is used to cause harm?
 
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Septic said:
Oh, I thought I'd just join the crowd at making ridiculously absurd comments.

I mean, the statistics don't lie (I'm being told). Cars kill more people than guns and since they were clearly designed to maim and mutilate - no reason we shouldn't invade the DPRK with a bunch of Priuses.
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it would make crossing the mine field easier.
 
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