Official Jon Gruden Thread XXVII

[Wild @s a Mink]

Yes, I think they did. There is no way the medical team left him on the field with a concussion.

He either did not have a concussion, no one knew he had a concussion, or the coaches knew and didn't tell anyone.

Those are the only possible scenarios IMO.

Sadly, I’m going with “knew and didn’t tell”.

 

[Coastypop]

Interesting perspective...

We are fairly certain that Gruden is in, the academic side is in, and at least 85% of the boosters are in.

If Haslam is the holdup, and it appears he is, Currie is boxed in from all sides.
Perhaps he would try and communicate to get the masses involved.

If this is the case the fan base may be being used to additional pressure to Haslam and give Currie confidence to move forward on Gruden ... who know?

I must be grasping at straws now...lol

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

Hyams regular Friday spot is on 104.5 FM Nashville after the commercial break. I'm guessing he will continue his theme from yesterday about Gruden's coaching potential.

 

[Boca Vol]

You say that, but somehow even my high school coach knew if we weren’t performing right and he was essentially a one man show. ( Brent Hubbs father I might add)
Are you telling me no coaches approached the player after he failed to line up correctly to give him a chatting? His level of consciousness would have been on display right then. And no player said “ hey Kendrick ain’t right?!?”
I’m sorry but I don’t buy it.
And if it were true, I still see it as a massive lack of oversight if something that big could be missed that long.

Exactly...a big massive over-sight!

The guys/gals in the booth are looking at everything (on field, sideline, etc.) for any signs.

 

[allvol]

It wasn't an overblown fantasy in 2012. I have confirmation on that from someone involved in those negotiations who has never been on VN.

Jon Gruden all but admitted he was close to coming in 2012 on the Finebaum show sometime in 2015. Said it wasn't the right time. He called Tennessee one of his dream jobs.

 

[Mav145]

You say that, but somehow even my high school coach knew if we weren’t performing right and he was essentially a one man show. ( Brent Hubbs father I might add)
Are you telling me no coaches approached the player after he failed to line up correctly to give him a chatting? His level of consciousness would have been on display right then. And no player said “ hey Kendrick ain’t right?!?”
I’m sorry but I don’t buy it.
And if it were true, I still see it as a massive lack of oversight if something that big could be missed that long.

This right here....all day long. No one said a word to anyone? "Hey, Kendrick's not right." I could see Butch not knowing. But, you will never convince me that no one on that sideline knew he had a concussion.

 

[SobeVol]

Exactly...a big massive over-sight!

The guys/gals in the booth are looking at everything (on field, sideline, etc.) for any signs.

The commentators did point out that it was inexcusable for him to line up that far off the ball. Even they ( who don’t know players) notes an irregularity. Not buying no one else did

 

[Grand Vol]

 

[Tidal Surge]

You say that, but somehow even my high school coach knew if we weren’t performing right and he was essentially a one man show. ( Brent Hubbs father I might add)
Are you telling me no coaches approached the player after he failed to line up correctly to give him a chatting? His level of consciousness would have been on display right then. And no player said “ hey Kendrick ain’t right?!?”
I’m sorry but I don’t buy it.
And if it were true, I still see it as a massive lack of oversight if something that big could be missed that long.

Teammates, sideline coaches, training staff, waterboys, officials, booth staff, SEC person in booth who's only job is to watch the players on the field for symptoms of head & neck injuries and then communicate & stop play to ensure any such player is examined.

Hard to fathom that he played for half a game with such obvious symptoms.

 

[davethevol]

The commentators did point out that it was inexcusable for him to line up that far off the ball. Even they ( who don’t know players) notes an irregularity. Not buying no one else did

I know they said he got the concussion early in the game, but what if he had one recently and they played him knowing he had just had one? There's got to be much more to this story for his mom having gone to Currie so quickly over this.

 

[iamadoc]

I asked this yesterday and I'm not sure anyone answered. Is there a precedence set for a head coach being suspended for something like this?

HC's usually get canned not suspended.

There has been very little regarding this topic. If anyone has a problem here it is WW if what has been stated is true (he knew and convinced the player to play) and did not inform the medical staff. CBJ was clear he wouldn't have put a player in danger. I believe him.

Do not take this as support for CBJ being retained.

 

[orange parmejohn]

This right here....all day long. No one said a word to anyone? "Hey, Kendrick's not right." I could see Butch not knowing. But, you will never convince me that no one on that sideline knew he had a concussion.

Me either. ESPN centered the camera on Kendrick twice in the 2nd half. Even they knew something wasn't right. Calling this a "witch hunt" is a very short sighted statement. It is bigger than Butch Jones. Somebody, probably several somebodies, completely failed at their jobs.

 

[Coastypop]

Sorry if already asked, or posted. But i am not a tweeter. No social meadia at all. But what was said by the Beave that was so bad. Can any of you guys/gals that have twitter please post?

Thanks in advance.

SEMPER FI

Here ya go

Hey @John_Currie, do you think Haslam is going to balance the blown AD budget after you take his advice and hire another JV coach?

Hey @John_Currie, how much revenue do you lose if #EmptyNeyland takes off? Should only cost $50k in ads to push the fan base over the edge.

The #emptyneyland movement that you fear so much won’t be just for one game, it will go on for seasons @John_Currie.

Have you talked to any boosters recently that would gladly pay $50k to prevent you from hiring another bum coach? @John_Currie

The planning is done and the battle begins soon.

 

[UTVolinExile]

I agree here. Leaving him in charge after a possible negligence until a full investigation is undertaken, in my opinion, could bring the university into question as to failure of oversight.

I think UT has egg on our face if we don’t at least suspend him.
Would love to get some of the lawyers opinions.

I've posted about this several times.

As far as suspension, I don't think that you would be able to justify a suspension for mere negligence, as opposed to an intentional act. In this case, what you have isn't even an alleged act, but an omission, or failure to act.

So without something overt or intentional from Butch, he coaches. I think he is still here because the University has to nail down everything they can with their investigation, and as long as he is there Butch MUST cooperate with that investigation. I guarantee, the lawyers are trying to figure out the cleanest way to part ways while still covering themselves for possible legal action on the concussion front.

 

[SmokeyLives]

Sadly, I’m going with “knew and didn’t tell”.

I’m with you.

 

[Boca Vol]

HC's usually get canned not suspended.

There has been very little regarding this topic. If anyone has a problem here it is WW if what has been stated is true (he knew and convinced the player to play) and did not inform the medical staff. CBJ was clear he wouldn't have put a player in danger. I believe him.

Do not take this as support for CBJ being retained.

Not to mention his career would be OVER!

There's no way any coach would jeopardize their career like this.

 

[VFLnSFD]

I've posted about this several times.

As far as suspension, I don't think that you would be able to justify a suspension for mere negligence, as opposed to an intentional act. In this case, what you have isn't even an alleged act, but an omission, or failure to act.

So without something overt or intentional from Butch, he coaches. I think he is still here because the University has to nail down everything they can with their investigation, and as long as he is there Butch MUST cooperate with that investigation. I guarantee, the lawyers are trying to figure out the cleanest way to part ways while still covering themselves for possible legal action on the concussion front.

But if he is the HC tomorrow and his staff overlooks so much as a paper cut there would be huge repercussions, right?

 

[Ten_Titans]

Come on! There's no way in the world for the head coach to know every detail about every player on the sideline which paying to attention to what's happening on the field.

The SEC has procedures in place which take head injuries out of coach's hands.

I've never been a big Butch fan but this is simply a witch-hunt to find ANY reason to fire him.

Again. Those procedures can only happen if the medical team knows there is an issue. I'm sure a team will interview everyone.

It's possible that Butch had no idea, and one or two of his coaches acted by themselves.

That's possible, but it's certainly worth investigating to find out.

 

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[DuckRiverVol]

If this is the case the fan base may be being used to additional pressure to Haslam and give Currie confidence to move forward on Gruden ... who know?

I must be grasping at straws now...lol

Straws are all we have currently...

 

[NAILS]

Awakening from my 5 year slumber for Grude news. I'm actually more hopeful this cycle than the previous 2. Keep up the good work guys.

Welcome back. I see our join dates are similar. I was actually more hopeful last time. I hope I'm wrong.

 

[Boca Vol]

I know they said he got the concussion early in the game, but what if he had one recently and they played him knowing he had just had one? There's got to be much more to this story for his mom having gone to Currie so quickly over this.

If he had a concussion early on I would think it would have to be on a record somewhere for this knowledge to be "out there."

If it's on record, then I would hope the officials in the booth and on the sideline were aware and to pay close attention to BK.

 

[allvol]

Glad to make you laugh. 😊

Mr. Scientology is a trip. I remember him calling Matt Lauer “glib” over psychiatry on the Today show. Hilarious. 😂

 

[Coastypop]

Awakening from my 5 year slumber for Grude news. I'm actually more hopeful this cycle than the previous 2. Keep up the good work guys.

myself as well.... welcome back

 

[Vol-in-Bham]

Just checking in... no news from ATL or Beav?