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BigTimeVol95 said:
how do I seem to know a lot when I literally just posted that I know nothing except how people on the team and their friends feel about Butch and his outbursts? I am the furthest thing from an insider. You are trash at arguing for a "grown man" that has posted 10,000 times.
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Care to divulge a little more about how Butch is viewed by team members? He seems to work so hard to prevent anyone he doesn't trust from speaking...
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Actually can you? I wasn’t able to get into hardee’s Institute of law like you so I need you to give a word by word definition of everything in your post. Enlighten o’ wise one!
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Just stop this. I haven't insulted you personally. I have only told you that you are wrong and ignorant on the jumping to conclusions.

You are providing nothing of substance.
 
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BigTimeVol95 said:
how do I seem to know a lot when I literally just posted that I know nothing except how people on the team and their friends feel about Butch and his outbursts? I am the furthest thing from an insider. You are trash at arguing for a "grown man" that has posted 10,000 times.
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Is this statement not asserting you know said people?

Trash? Kewl. I guess you won't tag me on snapchat when you hit 50 posts and I won't buy you wine coolers. We're even.
 
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WarMachine said:
Care to divulge a little more about how Butch is viewed by team members? He seems to work so hard to prevent anyone he doesn't trust from speaking...
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I know they could be disgruntled and all that, but I've worked at the campus gym where former players or transfers lift after they've moved on. Made some friends there. I have some friends who cheer/dance and they've told me some stuff they hear from their friends that date players. (I realize that is second hand info). Basically from former players and secondhand info he's a control freak, he's never wrong, and he definitely has the tendency to get aggressive when told he is wrong or confronted. As I think we have recently seen with our VFL director... I've never talked to a player while they were seeing significant PT because of how tight lipped he keeps them, like you said. That's literally the extent of my "info"
 
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VolGee4 said:
Just stop this. I haven't insulted you personally. I have only told you that you are wrong and ignorant on the jumping to conclusions.

You are providing nothing of substance.
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Well you haven’t but you’ve certainly tried to by insinuating that because I disagree with you that means I’m below you intellectually.
 
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BigTimeVol95 said:
I know they could be disgruntled and all that, but I've worked at the campus gym where former players or transfers lift after they've moved on. Made some friends there. I have some friends who cheer/dance and they've told me some stuff they hear from their friends that date players. (I realize that is second hand info). Basically from former players and secondhand info he's a control freak, he's never wrong, and he definitely has the tendency to get aggressive when told he is wrong or confronted. As I think we have recently seen with our VFL director... I've never talked to a player while they were seeing significant PT because of how tight lipped he keeps them, like you said. That's literally the extent of my "info"
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:hi:

Thanks for sharing what you know. I know everyone's shocked about the micromanager thing.
 
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BigTimeVol95 said:
I know they could be disgruntled and all that, but I've worked at the campus gym where former players or transfers lift after they've moved on. Made some friends there. I have some friends who cheer/dance and they've told me some stuff they hear from their friends that date players. (I realize that is second hand info). Basically from former players and secondhand info he's a control freak, he's never wrong, and he definitely has the tendency to get aggressive when told he is wrong or confronted. As I think we have recently seen with our VFL director... I've never talked to a player while they were seeing significant PT because of how tight lipped he keeps them, like you said. That's literally the extent of my "info"
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I don't think we've seen or heard anything to discredit that either
 
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BleedorangeinGA said:
Random thought of the day. Miami hit a home run being able to hire Mark Richt.
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Their stars aligned. They fired Al Golden, then USCe was making a play for Kirby. GA wasn't gonna have it, so they dumped Richt. Richt could come home to his Alma Mater.

Same deal with Harbaugh at Michigan. 49ers GM had enough and wasn't giving him the autonomy Harbaugh wanted. This coincided with Michigan dumping Hoke.

Then look at Ohio State and Urban. He gets stressed out/overworked at FL. Quits then the following cycle the stuff goes down with Ohio State and Tressel is cut lose and whose on the open market...former GA now HBC rock star Meyer.

Unfortunately for TN all we have floating out there is Tee and Jim Bob. I would say Cutcliff, but he's got a job at Duke for as long as he wants it.
 
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WarMachine said:
:hi:

Thanks for sharing what you know. I know everyone's shocked about the micromanager thing.
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Yea nor problem, I did not have much to give, don't post much. micromanagement and thinking he is always right is pretty evident through his refusal to switch offensive systems and other decisions, like shotgun at the goal line. just thought i'd add what I heard.

Also think it would be ridiculous to assume that Butch never hit a player because it never made it to the reputable news level or because Butch never got officially caught.
 
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BigTimeVol95 said:
Yea nor problem, I did not have much to give, don't post much. micromanagement and thinking he is always right is pretty evident through his refusal to switch offensive systems and other decisions, like shotgun at the goal line. just thought i'd add what I heard.

Also think it would be ridiculous to assume that Butch never hit a player because it never made it to the reputable news level or because Butch never got officially caught.
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...and yet not ridiculous to assume he has. Multiple times.

:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:
 
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So, Antone leaves due to a hostile work environment, and BK was forced to play with a concussion. On top of that, we have won zero conference games this year. How is Butch Jones still the HC of Tennessee? Goodness, enough is enough!
 
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BigZiti09 said:
He's getting fired regardless.

This doesn't really impact him big picture wise. My guess is that Wells gets put on leave. We carry on. CBJ gets fired sometime between now and the end of the season.
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OH Crap, That means our offensive line is going to really stink it up.
 
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BleedorangeinGA said:
Absolutely agree, if UGA doesn’t let Mark go I feel Miami continues stumbling around similar to what UT is doing. Just absolute lucky timing.
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If only there was a coach that had played in a national championship game, had a 46-7 record at a P5 school, and no buyout, available right now.
 
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scvolfan7 said:
Well you haven’t but you’ve certainly tried to by insinuating that because I disagree with you that means I’m below you intellectually.
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Because, I (and many others) have told you that your logic is wrong. Is it a good look? No. But there is no proof at all that Butch Jones knew anything.

Just like it happens in things like this, you are letting your emotions cloud your judgment and not thinking it through.

I would never have said what I did if you hadn't responded "you can't argue period." It happens to be what I do for a living. Be careful what you say.
 
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bignewt said:
...and yet not ridiculous to assume he has. Multiple times.

:rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock::rock:
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Let me make it elementary for you grown man.

There is no evidence of Butch treating his players with tremendous respect and there is no evidence that Butch shares loving relationships with his players.

There is evidence of Butch micromanaging his players and getting angry when they do not perform how he wants. Butch particularly gets upset when his authority is challenged, also known as "little man's syndrome".

Therefore it would be much more reasonable to assume that reported leaks of altercations were true based on this evidence. Instead you are assuming based on no evidence of Butch treating his players with the upmost respect. Which would be ridiculous :rock::rock::rock::rock:

How has anyone put up with this guy for 12,000 posts?
 
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VolGee4 said:
Because, I (and many others) have told you that your logic is wrong. Is it a good look? No. But there is no proof at all that Butch Jones knew anything.

Just like it happens in things like this, you are letting your emotions cloud your judgment and not thinking it through.

I would never have said what I did if you hadn't responded "you can't argue period." It happens to be what I do for a living. Be careful what you say.
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You’re not understanding what I’m saying though. I don’t buy for one second that butch couldn’t tell that BK had a concussion. The players could tell (per travis’s article). Why couldn’t the coach see it?

I said you couldn’t argue because you weren’t arguing about the point I was trying to make. I suppose I could have worded what I was saying better but I thought I made it clear.
 
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BigTimeVol95 said:
Let me make it elementary for you grown man.

There is no evidence of Butch treating his players with tremendous respect and there is no evidence that Butch shares loving relationships with his players.

There is evidence of Butch micromanaging his players and getting angry when they do not perform how he wants. Butch particularly gets upset when his authority is challenged, also known as "little man's syndrome".

Therefore it would be much more reasonable to assume that reported leaks of altercations were true based on this evidence. Instead you are assuming based on no evidence of Butch treating his players with the upmost respect. Which would be ridiculous :rock::rock::rock::rock:

How has anyone put up with this guy for 12,000 posts?
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painfully at times. :)
 
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