Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV

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PeterNincompoop said:
I get why everyone wants Gruden, huge name, big splash, etc., etc. But the reality of hiring him is mind boggling to me. The rumor is he's been offered $10 mil a year, right? Okay, say he takes the job. Now we have a coach that's been out of coaching for almost a decade, and has had ZERO involvement in the college game for almost THREE DECADES. That means his entire coaching staff has to be extremely well versed at coaching, recruiting, AND the college rules and regulations. How much will it cost to fill out his staff with those coaches? Right now, CBJ has 11 postitions staffed. To bring the best of the best, which will be necessary with Gruden's lack of knowledge on the college game, we'd be looking at somewhere around another $10 mil per year. So now the university is on the hook for ~$20 mil per year, with ZERO guarantees of it being an upgrade.

Somebody tell me why this is better than say, Matt Campbell at ISU? He's knocked off 2 Top 5 opponents this year, which is 2 more than CBJ has done in 5 years.
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Nothing is a guarantee. When you look at the elite coaches coaching NCAA football right now, none are coming to Tennessee. Bringing in an up and coming coach from a small school who's never been on a big stage or a Pruitt, coordinator type with no head coaching experience is a gamble. The "diamond in the rough" approach has bitten us multiple times now. At least with Gruden, you get a recognized name, ties to the area, super bowl winner,obviously a good x and o coach.

What it really boils down too is if the upper ups at Tennessee are as serious about winning as the fan base is. We have the facilities and the backing.
 
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m1al said:
Seriously? How about if you would like the fans to continue buying what you are selling, then FIX the product.
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You haven't followed my point. Make your statement next year if that is your position. Not showing up Saturday does very little in my opinion.
 
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IN Jed said:
Thank you. So the folks exuding confidence (done deal...100%) can only be referring to one piece of the puzzle which suggests their confidence is being overstated in reference to the whole deal. So, no no one, Currie...JG, actually know what's going to happen. It's a fun ride though.
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Yup! I'm all in... until I'm all out!
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
We have to return to national recruiting at a high level. Matt Campbell's name is not going to get that done. Gruden's will as will a small handful of other guys. Matt Campbell is another Butch-like, five-year, wait and see project. We don't need to do that again.
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Not to mention, Iowa State loves the guy. Will bid him way up to keep him. They don't have Tennessee $ - but they will find enough to bid it high enough that it's not worth the price for a 5 year, wait and see.
 
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Do they screen callers on EA’s show? Almost every caller that calls in is a Butch apologist or offers very little criticism
 
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Rizzo924 said:
Someone posted that they were meeting today (seems awfully early in the Homecoming week to me considering you would think people are out of town... Who knows, not me, wasn't a bean. Maybe they video conference, or maybe they aren't even meeting!
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I'm not understanding this. It doesn't really matter tho. I think it makes sense that they meet this week. Could be wrong, even if I am, it really doesn't mean anything.
 
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VolunteerHillbilly said:
We have to return to national recruiting at a high level. Matt Campbell's name is not going to get that done. Gruden's will as will a small handful of other guys. Matt Campbell is another Butch-like, five-year, wait and see project. We don't need to do that again.
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In the last 5 years, there's been 2 top 5 classes, 2 top 15 classes, and one dud that was still in the top 25 (21), according to Rivals. The problem the past 5 years hasn't been recruiting, IMO. It's coaching, plain and simple. MC has beaten 2 Top 5 teams this year alone. CBJ has never done it in his 5 years here...with 4 top 15 recruiting classes.
 
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jp1 said:
You haven't followed my point. Make your statement next year if that is your position. Not showing up Saturday does very little in my opinion.
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Actually now is the time to make the statement, you can't make it next year if they hire a coach who you have to google to find out who he is.

They will not fire a coach after one year because of fan attendance. So make the statement now that hey we're not going to show up now with the bad product on the field, and if you bring the same next year we won't be back again.

You can't want to make a point when the moment has passed.
 
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Big @haynesworthiii I did the very thing I was upset w/ you for doing. I shouldn’t have said that. We all agree that we r bad. My Apologies
 
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smokeyhuntsgators said:
These things take time to come together..As much as we would like for them to be completed right this minute..it just doesn’t work like that..I know it’s hard to be patient because I want it to be done too..That said, patience is the key..

My % is still the same..

SOON
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I have far more confidence that before, and I am certainly patient and zero problem waiting till all is done.... however knowing this thing has so many moving parts that can fly off the rim at anytime, keeps me from being as confident that it WILL happen as you and some others have expressed.... I do believe that it has a far greater chance of happening now that in 2012 for several reason.... The main one is the boosters tried this last time and failed.... the greatest teacher of life lessons is failure.... Now lets just trust they have learned how to put it together and bring it to pass
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Nothing is a guarantee. When you look at the elite coaches coaching NCAA football right now, none are coming to Tennessee. Bringing in an up and coming coach from a small school who's never been on a big stage or a Pruitt, coordinator type with no head coaching experience is a gamble. The "diamond in the rough" approach has bitten us multiple times now. At least with Gruden, you get a recognized name, ties to the area, super bowl winner,obviously a good x and o coach.

What it really boils down too is if the upper ups at Tennessee are as serious about winning as the fan base is. We have the facilities and the backing.
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But again, he's not coached in 9 years and has had no involvement in the college game in 29 years. How is this a slam dunk?
 
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PeterNincompoop said:
In the last 5 years, there's been 2 top 5 classes, 2 top 15 classes, and one dud that was still in the top 25 (21), according to Rivals. The problem the past 5 years hasn't been recruiting, IMO. It's coaching, plain and simple. MC has beaten 2 Top 5 teams this year alone. CBJ has never done it in his 5 years here...with 4 top 15 recruiting classes.
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Matt Campbell is not going to outcoach the talent that Bama has, UGA is building, and UF is apparently committed to getting back to. We need the Jimmies and Joes. If it's all scheme and Xs and Os, hire Chip Kelly and be done with it because he's the best.
 
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The fans trying to strong arm the AD into immediate action would be like kids throwing a fit until they get to open their presents early.

Feels satisfying at the time, but you are real disappointed come Christmas.

I've heard enough from the AD. Butch is done. I think it would be best if everyone quiets down now and let's things play out.
 
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jp1 said:
You haven't followed my point. Make your statement next year if that is your position. Not showing up Saturday does very little in my opinion.
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Why should fans wait until next year? They have been waiting for ten years. You may be right about it having no affect. I didn't say I was agreement with the 'position'. I simply said I would not criticize them, as many have, for trying to get the attention of 'the powers that be'.
 
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zydane47 said:
Actually now is the time to make the statement, you can't make it next year if they hire a coach who you have to google to find out who he is.

They will not fire a coach after one year because of fan attendance. So make the statement now that hey we're not going to show up now with the bad product on the field, and if you bring the same next year we won't be back again.

You can't want to make a point when the moment has passed.
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Do you think the AD and boosters don't understand this?
 
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