Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV

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HearForGrumors said:
Good afternoon Grudenites:

I've been following the Gruden Threads since well before MIT's posts were deleted. I've been lurking here for years. This is my first post. (I tried to get in a few days ago, but I got buried in the mountains of new requests with the recent hubbub.) I just wanted to share a few thoughts.

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN INSIDER! I HAVE NO PRIVILEGED INFORMATION AT ALL. EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IS EITHER PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, OR MY OPINION.

I wanted to clarify a few legal points that keep recurring:

First, there is no language in CBJ's contract that precludes the AD from interviewing new candidates. There is no exclusivity clause, etc. Barring some regulation that I've not found, UT could have two head coaches if they wanted. Anyone who thinks that Currie is barred from discussing an opening with potential candidates is mistaken. It may be poor form to do it publicly, but it is within the purview of the position of AD to offer the position to coaches who fit the criteria.

Second, there is 100% no obligation for UT to leave the job open for any period of time, or to vet X number of candidates before hiring anyone. Someone did post the relevant regulation, but it got washed over quickly. In a position like this, one candidate is all that is needed (and you could hire him before firing the other one).

Third, deals can be done, and based on conditions. For example, the Gruden deal could be totally done on the condition that CBJ goes 7-5 or worse. In that case, should CBJ go 8-4 then the Gruden deal would be void. This is important for anyone wanting a way to reconcile MIT's "deal is done" verbiage. (My personal opinion is the same as SFD, the deal was done on the Gruden side, and being taken to the AD. The "carrot," if you will.)

Fourth, it would not be surprising at all to see CBJ accept a buy out option. Like has been posted elsewhere, by negotiating a lump sum, he may actually receive more in total compensation. Every time I see someone say that CBJ would not accept a buy out option, I cringe. Stahp it.

Fifth, We all like transparency, but its hard to work in chaos. The AD is now operating quietly and discreetly. The result is the murmurs and grumblings we are seeing now. There is nothing wrong with grumbling, but from the AD perspective its easier to deal with vague grumbles than exacting criticism and involvement of having the whole world in your thoughts. This is not uncommon in these types of deals. Just have patience. If you don't have meaningful influence, keep it to social media. When the deal is done we'll know where we are and how we got there. (I'm thinking a 30-for-30 is totally warranted.)

Sixth, IMO, a CBJ game is equal in effect to an interim if you have your guy. It only makes sense to switch to an interim if you think the interim can do better than your coach. In this case, I think any interim is a totally unknown quantity. Just let it play out, these folks aren't stupid. Maybe egotistical and self destructive, but not dumb.

Seventh, haters end up on preacher's list. You don't want to be there.

To say a little about me, and why I have opinions on the law and deals, I'm an, in fact, an attorney. I do complex litigation that almost always involves complicated settlements between as many as 20 distinct parties. I concentrated my legal education on contracts, negotiation, and dispute resolution. I took every sports law related course offered at my school (one that focuses on sports law quite prominently. It has a top 3 ranking for sports law).

I believe. The facts are coming into the light. The ducks are in their rows. It's just a matter of time.

Soon.
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Impressed............. SOON!!!!!!!:thud:
 
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If the deal with Gruden is done then how in the world is Butch still our coach today? Makes me think we are missing on the big fish and Currie is just riding this out. Obviously the chances of Gruden becoming the next UT coach are very slim
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I think people are being truthful in what they're saying (with the exception of a few drive by idiots) I think their sources are being truthful in what they're relaying. However I think that Currie is keeping things under wraps and I think he's leaving a lot of people in the dark. I do believe there is something to the Gruden deal, just how deep that goes I have no idea but I do believe there is a lot of truth to that. On the Butch front again this is just my opinion but I believe Currie is using Butch as a distraction while he's working something behind the scenes he doesn't want to draw attention to.

All that being said, Go Vols, Fire Butch, Hire Gruden
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I know man, and I agree with most of this.

People bring info and some start piecing bits together. They come up with a theory and someone else agrees, then it becomes fact. Now, someone else shows up and sees them talking about this theory as fact and it sounds good so they believe it.

Then ......lol.
 
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0nelilreb said:
Think about what we know is a fact .. recruiting died, when is the last time you’ve seen that happen . Now just ask the only question left .. why ?
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Could be a number of reasons why it died.

Jones is gone

Kids see that they really don't want to play in his system that is struggling to score

Uncertain if he'll be back or not

That doesn't necessarily point to him being fired.
 
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The Gruden is coming. Just because things aren't happening the way we want does not mean that we don't get what we want in the end. Soon.
 
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zydane47 said:
SoonerVol said:
Then someone is going to have to explain it to me, cause for the longest time Beaver was saying it was done, 100%, so why would there be a fiscal issue?

Cause if Jones and Co. are gone either way then wouldn't there still be a fiscal issue?

So again, someone needs to explain it to me cause I'm not seeing it
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Because beaver has his own intentions of making known what is known. Don’t take anyone at 100% face value.
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zydane47 said:
Then someone is going to have to explain it to me, cause for the longest time Beaver was saying it was done, 100%, so why would there be a fiscal issue?

Cause if Jones and Co. are gone either way then wouldn't there still be a fiscal issue?

So again, someone needs to explain it to me cause I'm not seeing it
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He's saying if Haslam/Currie don't give into the other booster's demands, they will stop donating thus causing fiscal issues.
 
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I'm in the line of thinking as SDV. I wonder if the hangup is on the Butch and/or assistants end. Either way, if Gruden is ready to go, I'm not sure why you say no to that as an AD. It'd be the biggest hire in CFB in recent memory and you're instantly a legend.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
Okay, thanks. - I thought we were over that hump...
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There wasn't anything I saw since then saying we were. Explains the **ish show with the media yesterday and being on standby..also how some people who probably DO know things are now being called a troll..what a shame..a rabid bunch...imo
 
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Volwark said:
zydane47 said:
He's saying if Haslam/Currie don't give into the other booster's demands, they will stop donating thus causing fiscal issues.
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Then it seems like an easy choice if I'm Currie, cause how much money can one person/entity give in a year to a school?

If there's a limit, then would't you want the bigger pool of donors instead of just maybe two?
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
If the deal with Gruden is done then how in the world is Butch still our coach today? Makes me think we are missing on the big fish and Currie is just riding this out. Obviously the chances of Gruden becoming the next UT coach are very slim
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Here's how. In the contract it states something to the extent of:

"Although executed on [DATE], this contract shall not be effective until [FUTURE DATE]."

You do this for many reasons, in this case it may provide time to get out of ESPN contracts or other duties to other parties. Contracts are often worded this way.

It's a mistake to think about this deal as one contract. It's likely more like ten contracts. I would be surprised if every contract other that the UT contract didn't have a future effective date (likely the same date).
 
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CoachClick said:
And the coaster climbs the track...
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