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volgr said:
This guy is seriously peddling the same story as 2012. In 12 we heard stories about boosters being pissed and threatening not to give. What happened? Nothing.
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Ten_Titans said:
Question:

The way you frame it, you make it sound like Currie must have a mental condition to hinder the hire. Yet, you imply that is exactly what is happening.

Why is Currie so against hiring Gruden? Considering it would be completely bank rolled and would be the most popular hire, probably in the history of the AD.

Is he that confident Gruden will fail? Is he being controlled by a booster who wants someone else?

What's the deal?
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Currie is being controlled by the Haslam family
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Good afternoon Grudenites:

I've been following the Gruden Threads since well before MIT's posts were deleted. I've been lurking here for years. This is my first post. (I tried to get in a few days ago, but I got buried in the mountains of new requests with the recent hubbub.) I just wanted to share a few thoughts.

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN INSIDER! I HAVE NO PRIVILEGED INFORMATION AT ALL. EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IS EITHER PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, OR MY OPINION.

I wanted to clarify a few legal points that keep recurring:

First, there is no language in CBJ's contract that precludes the AD from interviewing new candidates. There is no exclusivity clause, etc. Barring some regulation that I've not found, UT could have two head coaches if they wanted. Anyone who thinks that Currie is barred from discussing an opening with potential candidates is mistaken. It may be poor form to do it publicly, but it is within the purview of the position of AD to offer the position to coaches who fit the criteria.

Second, there is 100% no obligation for UT to leave the job open for any period of time, or to vet X number of candidates before hiring anyone. Someone did post the relevant regulation, but it got washed over quickly. In a position like this, one candidate is all that is needed (and you could hire him before firing the other one).

Third, deals can be done, and based on conditions. For example, the Gruden deal could be totally done on the condition that CBJ goes 7-5 or worse. In that case, should CBJ go 8-4 then the Gruden deal would be void. This is important for anyone wanting a way to reconcile MIT's "deal is done" verbiage. (My personal opinion is the same as SFD, the deal was done on the Gruden side, and being taken to the AD. The "carrot," if you will.)

Fourth, it would not be surprising at all to see CBJ accept a buy out option. Like has been posted elsewhere, by negotiating a lump sum, he may actually receive more in total compensation. Every time I see someone say that CBJ would not accept a buy out option, I cringe. Stahp it.

Fifth, We all like transparency, but its hard to work in chaos. The AD is now operating quietly and discreetly. The result is the murmurs and grumblings we are seeing now. There is nothing wrong with grumbling, but from the AD perspective its easier to deal with vague grumbles than exacting criticism and involvement of having the whole world in your thoughts. This is not uncommon in these types of deals. Just have patience. If you don't have meaningful influence, keep it to social media. When the deal is done we'll know where we are and how we got there. (I'm thinking a 30-for-30 is totally warranted.)

Sixth, IMO, a CBJ game is equal in effect to an interim if you have your guy. It only makes sense to switch to an interim if you think the interim can do better than your coach. In this case, I think any interim is a totally unknown quantity. Just let it play out, these folks aren't stupid. Maybe egotistical and self destructive, but not dumb.

Seventh, haters end up on preacher's list. You don't want to be there.

To say a little about me, and why I have opinions on the law and deals, I'm an, in fact, an attorney. I do complex litigation that almost always involves complicated settlements between as many as 20 distinct parties. I concentrated my legal education on contracts, negotiation, and dispute resolution. I took every sports law related course offered at my school (one that focuses on sports law quite prominently. It has a top 3 ranking for sports law).

I believe. The facts are coming into the light. The ducks are in their rows. It's just a matter of time.

Soon.
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Hell of a first post!
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I think if there is anything about Tuesday, then we will hear something later today.

People also forget that it is very customary to tell coaches first, then players, then press. No way was today's press conference going to be the moment.
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Tell that to FL, they didn't even tell the team.

Seems like Currie is scared of something, or he has no plans to fire Jones
 
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MIT_Beaver said:
This place is a mad house right now but trust me, everything going behind the scenes is going our way.

Would you rather be a hero or the cause of massive fiscal problems?
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In front of the scenes, the Tennessee brand is being flogged and drug through the mud.
 
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SpringBokVol said:
I can’t say anything other than “oak trees”
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Oak trees are the most useful form of the tree that can be used in the various ways. The trees are the most important thing that is being needed for an effectual environmental system. The planting of these trees is not a hard task, the problems comes when one has to cure these trees, as it is not as simple as planting. The trees require proper care so that it can give you the best results of it. The things that are required in curing these trees are that remove the dead branches and the twigs of the tree on the regular intervals, always use natural fertilizers that can provide the proper nourishment to the tree.The other things, which can be done in curing the Oak trees, are that you should make a good soil cover around because it will prevent the root damage and irrigation should be avoided, as it is not recommended for the mature trees.
 
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SandoVOL said:
As much as i want to believe like you do, we havent seen anything in the last decade to give us that kind of hope. When are they going to give us something to hold on to?
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Don't you think silence is golden..one time I took my kids to Disney without telling them..told them we were going to Miami..their faces was priceless when we got there.
 
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HearForGrumors said:
Good afternoon Grudenites:

I've been following the Gruden Threads since well before MIT's posts were deleted. I've been lurking here for years. This is my first post. (I tried to get in a few days ago, but I got buried in the mountains of new requests with the recent hubbub.) I just wanted to share a few thoughts.

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN INSIDER! I HAVE NO PRIVILEGED INFORMATION AT ALL. EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IS EITHER PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, OR MY OPINION.

I wanted to clarify a few legal points that keep recurring:

First, there is no language in CBJ's contract that precludes the AD from interviewing new candidates. There is no exclusivity clause, etc. Barring some regulation that I've not found, UT could have two head coaches if they wanted. Anyone who thinks that Currie is barred from discussing an opening with potential candidates is mistaken. It may be poor form to do it publicly, but it is within the purview of the position of AD to offer the position to coaches who fit the criteria.

Second, there is 100% no obligation for UT to leave the job open for any period of time, or to vet X number of candidates before hiring anyone. Someone did post the relevant regulation, but it got washed over quickly. In a position like this, one candidate is all that is needed (and you could hire him before firing the other one).

Third, deals can be done, and based on conditions. For example, the Gruden deal could be totally done on the condition that CBJ goes 7-5 or worse. In that case, should CBJ go 8-4 then the Gruden deal would be void. This is important for anyone wanting a way to reconcile MIT's "deal is done" verbiage. (My personal opinion is the same as SFD, the deal was done on the Gruden side, and being taken to the AD. The "carrot," if you will.)

Fourth, it would not be surprising at all to see CBJ accept a buy out option. Like has been posted elsewhere, by negotiating a lump sum, he may actually receive more in total compensation. Every time I see someone say that CBJ would not accept a buy out option, I cringe. Stahp it.

Fifth, We all like transparency, but its hard to work in chaos. The AD is now operating quietly and discreetly. The result is the murmurs and grumblings we are seeing now. There is nothing wrong with grumbling, but from the AD perspective its easier to deal with vague grumbles than exacting criticism and involvement of having the whole world in your thoughts. This is not uncommon in these types of deals. Just have patience. If you don't have meaningful influence, keep it to social media. When the deal is done we'll know where we are and how we got there. (I'm thinking a 30-for-30 is totally warranted.)

Sixth, IMO, a CBJ game is equal in effect to an interim if you have your guy. It only makes sense to switch to an interim if you think the interim can do better than your coach. In this case, I think any interim is a totally unknown quantity. Just let it play out, these folks aren't stupid. Maybe egotistical and self destructive, but not dumb.

Seventh, haters end up on preacher's list. You don't want to be there.

To say a little about me, and why I have opinions on the law and deals, I'm an, in fact, an attorney. I do complex litigation that almost always involves complicated settlements between as many as 20 distinct parties. I concentrated my legal education on contracts, negotiation, and dispute resolution. I took every sports law related course offered at my school (one that focuses on sports law quite prominently. It has a top 3 ranking for sports law).

I believe. The facts are coming into the light. The ducks are in their rows. It's just a matter of time.

Soon.
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Nice first post. You sound educated. :hi:
 
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ASamWitch said:
Sometimes it's almost unbelievable. (I said almost) This is the stuff of books and movies. Incredible. What a ride....
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Its a play and right now we are in intermission. There will be lots of drama, suspense, action, comedy, betrayal and twists before the finale. I'd bet on an encore too.
 
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