Official Jon Gruden Thread XXV

[VFL92]

This place is a mad house right now but trust me, everything going behind the scenes is going our way.

Would you rather be a hero or the cause of massive fiscal problems?

^^
This is the question Currie has to answer. He can be our hero, by getting it done. Or he can be the cause of major problems, and fiscally is the one that hurts the most.

Patience.

 

[volgr]

I think if there is anything about Tuesday, then we will hear something later today.

People also forget that it is very customary to tell coaches first, then players, then press. No way was today's press conference going to be the moment.

Nothing is going to happen Tuesday either.

 

[preacherwebb]

We've either got Gruden lined up or the most dysfunctional AD in the country.

The silence is deafening.

 

[Hawkpilot]

This place is a mad house right now but trust me, everything going behind the scenes is going our way.

Would you rather be a hero or the cause of massive fiscal problems?

OPERA NON VERBA

Deeds not words!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[LakeMaryFLVol]

Looking for my 3:00-4:00PM Golden Hour Grumer to carry us through the night

 

[Coastypop]

"It seems", is correct.

Looks like I need to start leaving Bearcat to handle things when I need to step out

 

[{OrangeBlooded}]

Nothing is going to happen Tuesday either.

Agreed

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Almost! Leroy Mercer, the original.

The best. His C&C auto is one of the funniest things I have ever heard.

 

[SoKnoxVol]

This place is a mad house right now but trust me, everything going behind the scenes is going our way.

Would you rather be a hero or the cause of massive fiscal problems?

Exactly. I fully believe this. I think Currie is doing whatever is going to be good for the university and it’s fans.

 

[Volsfaninva917]

.....AND, if people buy into every little thing as fact and the gospel, on an internet message board, then get pissed off and go batchit crazy on everybody, you deserve to be laughed at before being booted.

I think people are being truthful in what they're saying (with the exception of a few drive by idiots) I think their sources are being truthful in what they're relaying. However I think that Currie is keeping things under wraps and I think he's leaving a lot of people in the dark. I do believe there is something to the Gruden deal, just how deep that goes I have no idea but I do believe there is a lot of truth to that. On the Butch front again this is just my opinion but I believe Currie is using Butch as a distraction while he's working something behind the scenes he doesn't want to draw attention to.

All that being said, Go Vols, Fire Butch, Hire Gruden

 

[Hawkpilot]

Most don’t read your posts...but a few of us do.

I'm either insane or I feel pretty accurate..imo

 

[VFLnSFD]

I guess your theory could be the case...but that reflects very poorly on Currie. If Butch's buyout was done two weeks ago, and it's been reported that Currie has been on the field for every practice over the past couple weeks, why go in and ask the assistant coaches who wants to be interim a few hours before Butch is let go? Shouldn't he have already had that in place? I could see all the assistants rallying around Butch and saying we would rather him stay but again, that should've been worked out earlier than last night.

I both get what you are saying and agree with it. However, I think they probably administered the papers first to Butch then had to meet with the coach who was to be interim. He says no. You go to the next guy. He says no. You might not have a third. I don't think you ask the interim before you fire the head coach.

 

[VolunteerHillbilly]

They make great desks

 

[volgr]

This place is a mad house right now but trust me, everything going behind the scenes is going our way.

Would you rather be a hero or the cause of massive fiscal problems?

This guy is seriously peddling the same story as 2012. In 12 we heard stories about boosters being pissed and threatening not to give. What happened? Nothing.

 

[mrmax86]

Will JG even want to come here with all this pushback?

JG shoots you straight. Have you ever listened to a PC by him? I don't think the fanbase will ever turn on him like we've turned on Butch because he won't feed us a load of crap at PCs.

 

[Hawkpilot]

I think if there is anything about Tuesday, then we will hear something later today.

People also forget that it is very customary to tell coaches first, then players, then press. No way was today's press conference going to be the moment.

Deeds Not Words

 

[sona]

By God! You better pack a lunch.

Leroy Mercer (John Bean) is a Knoxville treasure.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AuBov7_8PRc[/youtube]

 

[robvol]

Beaver sighting.

Love it 😂🤣😂

 

[Ten_Titans]

This place is a mad house right now but trust me, everything going behind the scenes is going our way.

Would you rather be a hero or the cause of massive fiscal problems?

Question:

The way you frame it, you make it sound like Currie must have a mental condition to hinder the hire. Yet, you imply that is exactly what is happening.

Why is Currie so against hiring Gruden? Considering it would be completely bank rolled and would be the most popular hire, probably in the history of the AD.

Is he that confident Gruden will fail? Is he being controlled by a booster who wants someone else?

What's the deal?

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

Man, I really hope you're legit. I hope so much you're legit. I think you've had an agenda the entire time you've been here and I think it's going as planned, so I'm holding out hope until it all unfolds.

He has successfully trolled this board hard. Guys like MIT always have a backtrack when things dont go the way they say. I wouldnt believe a word ANYBODY says at this point.

 

[EweTVol]

Where's gru dawg

 

[HearForGrumors]

Good afternoon Grudenites:

I've been following the Gruden Threads since well before MIT's posts were deleted. I've been lurking here for years. This is my first post. (I tried to get in a few days ago, but I got buried in the mountains of new requests with the recent hubbub.) I just wanted to share a few thoughts.

DISCLAIMER: I AM NOT AN INSIDER! I HAVE NO PRIVILEGED INFORMATION AT ALL. EVERYTHING THAT FOLLOWS IS EITHER PUBLIC KNOWLEDGE, OR MY OPINION.

I wanted to clarify a few legal points that keep recurring:

First, there is no language in CBJ's contract that precludes the AD from interviewing new candidates. There is no exclusivity clause, etc. Barring some regulation that I've not found, UT could have two head coaches if they wanted. Anyone who thinks that Currie is barred from discussing an opening with potential candidates is mistaken. It may be poor form to do it publicly, but it is within the purview of the position of AD to offer the position to coaches who fit the criteria.

Second, there is 100% no obligation for UT to leave the job open for any period of time, or to vet X number of candidates before hiring anyone. Someone did post the relevant regulation, but it got washed over quickly. In a position like this, one candidate is all that is needed (and you could hire him before firing the other one).

Third, deals can be done, and based on conditions. For example, the Gruden deal could be totally done on the condition that CBJ goes 7-5 or worse. In that case, should CBJ go 8-4 then the Gruden deal would be void. This is important for anyone wanting a way to reconcile MIT's "deal is done" verbiage. (My personal opinion is the same as SFD, the deal was done on the Gruden side, and being taken to the AD. The "carrot," if you will.)

Fourth, it would not be surprising at all to see CBJ accept a buy out option. Like has been posted elsewhere, by negotiating a lump sum, he may actually receive more in total compensation. Every time I see someone say that CBJ would not accept a buy out option, I cringe. Stahp it.

Fifth, We all like transparency, but its hard to work in chaos. The AD is now operating quietly and discreetly. The result is the murmurs and grumblings we are seeing now. There is nothing wrong with grumbling, but from the AD perspective its easier to deal with vague grumbles than exacting criticism and involvement of having the whole world in your thoughts. This is not uncommon in these types of deals. Just have patience. If you don't have meaningful influence, keep it to social media. When the deal is done we'll know where we are and how we got there. (I'm thinking a 30-for-30 is totally warranted.)

Sixth, IMO, a CBJ game is equal in effect to an interim if you have your guy. It only makes sense to switch to an interim if you think the interim can do better than your coach. In this case, I think any interim is a totally unknown quantity. Just let it play out, these folks aren't stupid. Maybe egotistical and self destructive, but not dumb.

Seventh, haters end up on preacher's list. You don't want to be there.

To say a little about me, and why I have opinions on the law and deals, I'm an, in fact, an attorney. I do complex litigation that almost always involves complicated settlements between as many as 20 distinct parties. I concentrated my legal education on contracts, negotiation, and dispute resolution. I took every sports law related course offered at my school (one that focuses on sports law quite prominently. It has a top 3 ranking for sports law).

I believe. The facts are coming into the light. The ducks are in their rows. It's just a matter of time.

Soon.

 

[Hawkpilot]

Sometimes it's almost unbelievable. (I said almost) This is the stuff of books and movies. Incredible. What a ride....

Yes it is..my wife is like are you serious..I said does it sound believable..she said in a movie..

I said YOU OWE ME $12.50 for admission

 

[Coastypop]

I can’t say anything other than “oak trees”

Well you are NO HELP!

 

[nagle]

In my opinion as well.

I bet Butch's buyout that was reached a couple of weeks ago left an open timeframe so that he could be let go at just the right moment. The info that docvol got was probably that they had reached the right moment. We all saw the ball starting down the hill yesterday. I think it was due to the assistant coaches having an issue.

nevermind went back and found my answer. :rock: