Dan Mullen thread (merged)

#576
#576
Volstylexx said:
Further observations :

Mullen is 64- 42 in his head coaching career for a 60% win percentage
Butch is 32-22 in his head coaching career for a 64% win percentage

Mullen is 29 -64 in SEC play as a head coach for a 45% win percentage
Butch is 14 - 32 in SEC play as a head coach for a 44% win percentage
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MSU plays Alabama, Auburn. LSU in the east he would be playing USCjr, UK , Vandy, Mizzu
 
#578
#578
JoAllan said:
Well for one Franklin had Vandy 9-4 two years in a row. Then after two 7-6 seasons he had PSU to 11-3. So from Vndy to PSU he is +2. Mullen had a greater body of work at MSU. He is 7-6..........if he gave Tennessee a +2, that would be 9-4. Not what we are looking for.

Maybe he could do better, maybe he would do worse that is only conjecture. But by that reference he is a 2+ coach.

Mullen is a good coach, and certainly better than Butch. I just want Tennessee to hire someone even better than Mullen.
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Mullen is 6-2 currently.
 
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#579
neyland05 said:
Mullen is 6-2 currently.
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Yes that is a fact.

But what was he last year? the year before? so on and so on.

I have said it a bunch of times. Mullen is a good coach, certainly better than Butch. I think Mullen could come to Tennessee and do better than the 7-5 coach he has been at MSU. However based on the fact that over the past 5 or 6 years MSU has played a slightly tougher schedule over Tennessee some and has played a slightly easier schedule than Tennessee some, I do not think he would be much better than a 9 win coach........maybe better some but not consistently.
 
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#583
He’d be a definite upgrade over Butch, but Mullen has baggage.

I do think I have a little inside knowledge on Mullen from his time at Florida:

Mullen does not play well with others, as in colleagues in other sports, Administrations, etc. He is notoriously jerky, former UF AD Jeremy Foley was not a fan of Mullen at all. Foley never even looked his way for two openings at UF.

He’s an average recruiter, and that goes back to that sorta standoffish personality not playing well in living rooms.

Lastly, and maybe this is least relevant or important, but there have been rumors for years that Mullen is an atheist. I heard this when he was at Florida because as everyone knows, Tim Tebow is a devout Christian, yet the two worked well together, putting aside religious persuasions. Mullen has never publicly knocked down these reports/rumors. I’ve heard other reports that he’s a Scientologist, which I guess is a less harsh way of saying he believes in a Supreme Being, just not Jesus Christ.

Of course, a lot of this stuff was fanned and flamed by Ole Miss fans over the years and used against MSU in recruiting. I do not have definite proof it’s true and to each his own with regard to religion, but it’s interesting that he has never attempted to clear up these persistent rumors through the years. And of course, with political correctness among the media, I don’t know if he’s ever been publicly asked.

I guess my point is, this is the SEC, Christian-dominated geography. I’m not sure he’s a good fit for UT or UF.
 
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#584
Carl Pickens said:
Tennessee is in a Cold War type situation with Florida right now over Mullen. I think they both want him
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Current UF AD Scott Stricklin worked with Mullen for 6 or 7 years. If Stricklin doesn’t make a move for Mullen, that would be very telling.

It would mean that someone who knows Mullen VERY well, is not interested in working with him again. That would speak volumes about Mullen.
 
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#585
Jaws said:
He’d be a definite upgrade over Butch, but Mullen has baggage.

I do think I have a little inside knowledge on Mullen from his time at Florida:

Mullen does not play well with others, as in colleagues in other sports, Administrations, etc. He is notoriously jerky, former UF AD Jeremy Foley was not a fan of Mullen at all. Foley never even looked his way for two openings at UF.

He’s an average recruiter, and that goes back to that sorta standoffish personality not playing well in living rooms.

Lastly, and maybe this is least relevant or important, but there have been rumors for years that Mullen is an atheist. I heard this when he was at Florida because as everyone knows, Tim Tebow is a devout Christian, yet the two worked well together, putting aside religious persuasions. Mullen has never publicly knocked down these reports/rumors. I’ve heard other reports that he’s a Scientologist, which I guess is a less harsh way of saying he believes in a Supreme Being, just not Jesus Christ.

Of course, a lot of this stuff was fanned and flamed by Ole Miss fans over the years and used against MSU in recruiting. I do not have definite proof it’s true and to each his own with regard to religion, but it’s interesting that he has never attempted to clear up these persistent rumors through the years. And of course, with political correctness among the media, I don’t know if he’s ever been publicly asked.

I guess my point is, this is the SEC, Christian-dominated geography. I’m not sure he’s a good fit for UT or UF.
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Hey I love God, I'm am a Christian; however if Mullen is an atheist I wont judge him.......not my job.


However if he is a Scientologist I'll laugh my butt off......and call him stupid........lol frekin alien spirits trapped in my body causing my problems......lol too funny.
 
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#586
JoAllan said:
Hey I love God, I'm am a Christian; however if Mullen is an atheist I wont judge him.......not my job.
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I get that and I agree with you. That’s why I was reluctant to even bring it up, but I thought many UT fans may not have been aware of this.

To each his/her own regarding religion..

But you gotta agree, Mississippi State ain’t UT or UF. The first recruit that turns down UT because Mom and Dad and Grandma and Grandpa weren’t comfortable with Johnny playing for a non God-fearing man, well, what might be kept quiet at Miss State will be a nuclear bomb at UT or UF.
 
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#589
Volstylexx said:
Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU


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Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)
Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)

An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.
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You do have to give some consideration as to what type of talent you can recruit down there. He seems to do a good job with what he gets the question would be could he recruit here and do better
 
#590
#590
JoAllan said:
Yes that is a fact.

But what was he last year? the year before? so on and so on.

I have said it a bunch of times. Mullen is a good coach, certainly better than Butch. I think Mullen could come to Tennessee and do better than the 7-5 coach he has been at MSU. However based on the fact that over the past 5 or 6 years MSU has played a slightly tougher schedule over Tennessee some and has played a slightly easier schedule than Tennessee some, I do not think he would be much better than a 9 win coach........maybe better some but not consistently.
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No one will technically know what he does somewhere else until he takes a higher profile job.

What we do know is that Dan Mullen took Mississippi State to the Orange Bowl. Mississippi State was actually ranked #1 at one time under Dan Mullen.

And, no the schedules are not comparable. The jobs are not comparable. State will go to their 8th straight bowl game this year. That may not sound like much, but their previous high was 3 consecutive bowl trips in their school’s history. In fact, in an 8 year window, their previous high was 3 bowl trips.

What he has done there is a damn miracle. Does it mean he’d do great things somewhere else, who knows?
 
#592
#592
Jaws said:
He’d be a definite upgrade over Butch, but Mullen has baggage.

I do think I have a little inside knowledge on Mullen from his time at Florida:

Mullen does not play well with others, as in colleagues in other sports, Administrations, etc. He is notoriously jerky, former UF AD Jeremy Foley was not a fan of Mullen at all. Foley never even looked his way for two openings at UF.

He’s an average recruiter, and that goes back to that sorta standoffish personality not playing well in living rooms.

Lastly, and maybe this is least relevant or important, but there have been rumors for years that Mullen is an atheist. I heard this when he was at Florida because as everyone knows, Tim Tebow is a devout Christian, yet the two worked well together, putting aside religious persuasions. Mullen has never publicly knocked down these reports/rumors. I’ve heard other reports that he’s a Scientologist, which I guess is a less harsh way of saying he believes in a Supreme Being, just not Jesus Christ.

Of course, a lot of this stuff was fanned and flamed by Ole Miss fans over the years and used against MSU in recruiting. I do not have definite proof it’s true and to each his own with regard to religion, but it’s interesting that he has never attempted to clear up these persistent rumors through the years. And of course, with political correctness among the media, I don’t know if he’s ever been publicly asked.

I guess my point is, this is the SEC, Christian-dominated geography. I’m not sure he’s a good fit for UT or UF.
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This has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read.
 
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#593
#593
Jaws said:
He’d be a definite upgrade over Butch, but Mullen has baggage.

I do think I have a little inside knowledge on Mullen from his time at Florida:

Mullen does not play well with others, as in colleagues in other sports, Administrations, etc. He is notoriously jerky, former UF AD Jeremy Foley was not a fan of Mullen at all. Foley never even looked his way for two openings at UF.

He’s an average recruiter, and that goes back to that sorta standoffish personality not playing well in living rooms.

Lastly, and maybe this is least relevant or important, but there have been rumors for years that Mullen is an atheist. I heard this when he was at Florida because as everyone knows, Tim Tebow is a devout Christian, yet the two worked well together, putting aside religious persuasions. Mullen has never publicly knocked down these reports/rumors. I’ve heard other reports that he’s a Scientologist, which I guess is a less harsh way of saying he believes in a Supreme Being, just not Jesus Christ.

Of course, a lot of this stuff was fanned and flamed by Ole Miss fans over the years and used against MSU in recruiting. I do not have definite proof it’s true and to each his own with regard to religion, but it’s interesting that he has never attempted to clear up these persistent rumors through the years. And of course, with political correctness among the media, I don’t know if he’s ever been publicly asked.

I guess my point is, this is the SEC, Christian-dominated geography. I’m not sure he’s a good fit for UT or UF.
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I married into a Mississippi State family and have now lived in Starkville for a handful of years. I don't know Mullen or his personal convictions, but I do know that a good majority of the Mississippi State football team shows up at First Baptist Church in Starkville on a fairly regular basis, Mullen included.

I also know that what he does with the QB position at MSU is nothing short of phenomenal. People give Dak credit for making Dan Mullen. It's really quite the opposite. Mullen's last two QB's at State have been lowly regarded, lightly recruited guys. He's turning them into solid SEC contributors.

Not to mention, Mississippi State is currently the 4th best team in the SEC. Their over/under this year was 5.5 wins and the remainder of their schedule is extremely favorable outside of Alabama. They have a real opportunity at an NY6 game.
 
#594
#594
I will also add on Mullen that he does have a reputation floating around that he is a harda** and can be difficult to work with, but I also take that to mean that he's relentlessly pushing a winning culture on a program that's been satisfied with bowl appearances and beating Ole Miss for decades.
 
#595
#595
We should already have him hired behind the scene just waiting for their last game to announce it. Get rid of Butch now don't wait
 
#597
#597
SigNu_VolFan said:
I will also add on Mullen that he does have a reputation floating around that he is a harda** and can be difficult to work with, but I also take that to mean that he's relentlessly pushing a winning culture on a program that's been satisfied with bowl appearances and beating Ole Miss for decades.
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To add to that, certain personalities are needed at certain times.

A program can be like an individual. Sometimes it needs a pat on the back and other forms of positive encouragement and sometimes it needs a swift kick in the rear.

Florida as an example, IMO, needs a swift kick in the rear. The off the field criminal behavior, the trash talking in the press, the trash talking on the field, the running around acting like "you're the ****" when you can't execute a damn thing......they need a no-nonsense, in your face, I'm not your daddy or your friend, type of individual right now.
 
#599
#599
99gator said:
To add to that, certain personalities are needed at certain times.

A program can be like an individual. Sometimes it needs a pat on the back and other forms of positive encouragement and sometimes it needs a swift kick in the rear.

Florida as an example, IMO, needs a swift kick in the rear. The off the field criminal behavior, the trash talking in the press, the trash talking on the field, the running around acting like "you're the ****" when you can't execute a damn thing......they need a no-nonsense, in your face, I'm not your daddy or your friend, type of individual right now.
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99, what is your take on the bad blood between Foley and Mullen? Mullen would have been an obvious candidate when Muschamp got the job and certainly when Mac was hired. But Foley didn’t even look his way. Pat Dooley said last night that Mullen has terrible “bedside manners” and is “unvarnished.”

But dont get me wrong, as I’ve said, Mullen would be decided upgrages at UT and UF. My only point is that there’s a reason he’s been sorta stuck in Starkville.
 
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#600
LSU-SIU said:
But isn't that Muschamp?

No, what Florida fans want are wins.
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And some semblance of a competent offense. Not even the Fun n Gun or Meyer’s spread, but an offense that can sometimes carry the team and actually look competent.
 
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