Dan Mullen thread (merged)

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neyland05 said:
Why would he not be a good hire? Educate us.
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already did, a month ago.

If you aren't satisfied with the mediocrity of Butch why would you want the mediocrity of Mullen?

Same records essentially. Consistently 4th place in the West, never won the division. Worst current record in the country against top 25 teams. The list goes on an on. UT can, and will do much better, imo.
 
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So you want to compare a coach that constantly plays bama, auburn, lsu, and a stacked ole miss team the past few years to a coach that coach's in the weakest division in football? Butch has everything here to succeed while Miss State is basically the vandy of the West.
 
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Volstylexx said:
already did, a month ago.

If you aren't satisfied with the mediocrity of Butch why would you want the mediocrity of Mullen?

Same records essentially. Consistently 4th place in the West, never won the division. Worst current record in the country against top 25 teams. The list goes on an on. UT can, and will do much better, imo.
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So according to your logic James Franklin will fail at Penn State. How's that working out again?
 
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Volstylexx said:
Every volnation thread has “Hire Mullen”posts so I thought it would be interesting to take an objective look at Mullen:

Mullen is 6-21 against top 25 teams. He’s never beaten Bama and never won the sec West. In fact, in 8 seasons at MSU, he’s only finished greater than 2nd in the SEC West one time, every other season has been 4th or worse... in 8 seasons he’s only had above .500 record in SEC play 1 time.

His best season and only season to achieve 10 wins was 2013 when they went 10-3 and lost in the Orange Bowl. That was in year, wait for it..... 6 at MSU

Year 1 record - 5-7 (3-5 SEC)















Year 2 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 3- 7-6 (2-6 SEC)
Year 4- 8-5 (4-4 SEC)
Year 5- 7-6 (3-5 SEC)
Year 6- 10-3 (6-2 SEC)
Year 7 - 9-4 (4-4 SEC)
Year 8 - 6-7 (3-5 SEC)



An objective look at his numbers suggests Mullen and Butch are cut from the same cloth. Average 8-4 consistent coaches.
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You failed to include the fact that he is at MS, hard to recruit, limited resources compared to TN, and he plays in the SEC West. You failed "in context".
 
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neyland05 said:
So you want to compare a coach that constantly plays bama, auburn, lsu, and a stacked ole miss team the past few years to a coach that coach's in the weakest division in football? Butch has everything here to succeed while Miss State is basically the vandy of the West.
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He's a fan of butch, not UT. No matter the evidence to the contrary, he'll never accept that winning and recruiting at MSU is 10 times as difficult as it is at UT, to do so would be tantamount to admitting Butch is a failure as a coach.
 
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1967vol said:
You failed to include the fact that he is at MS, hard to recruit, limited resources compared to TN, and he plays in the SEC West. You failed "in context".
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Of course he did, by design. He’s a Butch Jones guy, not a UT guy......believes Jones just needs more time and he’ll be winning championships.
 
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BeardedVol said:
He's a fan of butch, not UT. No matter the evidence to the contrary, he'll never accept that winning and recruiting at MSU is 10 times as difficult as it is at UT, to do so would be tantamount to admitting Butch is a failure as a coach.
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Spot on.
 
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LittleCat said:
There's a difference being 8-4 at a school like MSU in the West and being 8-4 in the East where UF/UGA aren't even at their usual standards.
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The East is certainly the much weaker side. However if you look at MSU's SOS vs TN's SOS you will find there wasn't much of a difference over those 8 years.

Unless the SOS was harder every year by a considerable margin the East argument doesn't hold water.

I certainly think (think..opinion..not a fact) Mullen is better than Butch and would do better at Tennessee than 7-5 per year. However if the SOS's were to be similar Mullen's increase of success (just by the numbers) would not be enough for what people are wanting.

Look if Mullen currently wins 3/5ths of his games, he switches to a like school (with similar talent....not saying he couldn't get better, but over his time at MSU it has been similar) and the new team plays a like schedule (not the same teams but similar SOS's) how can one expect Mullen would now be a 10 or 11 win coach?
 
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BeardedVol said:
He's a fan of butch, not UT. No matter the evidence to the contrary, he'll never accept that winning and recruiting at MSU is 10 times as difficult as it is at UT, to do so would be tantamount to admitting Butch is a failure as a coach.
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You need to catch up to date. Jumped off the support Butch train a while ago.

That said, Mullen would be mediocre at TN. Good coaches win games they shouldn't - with less talent, at places they shouldn't be winning. Mullen hasn't done that.
 
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JoAllan said:
The East is certainly the much weaker side. However if you look at MSU's SOS vs TN's SOS you will find there wasn't much of a difference over those 8 years.

Unless the SOS was harder every year by a considerable margin the East argument doesn't hold water.

I certainly think (think..opinion..not a fact) Mullen is better than Butch and would do better at Tennessee than 7-5 per year. However if the SOS's were to be similar Mullen's increase of success (just by the numbers) would not be enough for what people are wanting.

Look if Mullen currently wins 3/5ths of his games, he switches to a like school (with similar talent....not saying he couldn't get better, but over his time at MSU it has been similar) and the new team plays a like schedule (not the same teams but similar SOS's) how can one expect Mullen would now be a 10 or 11 win coach?
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Great post.
 
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JoAllan said:
The East is certainly the much weaker side. However if you look at MSU's SOS vs TN's SOS you will find there wasn't much of a difference over those 8 years.

Unless the SOS was harder every year by a considerable margin the East argument doesn't hold water.

I certainly think (think..opinion..not a fact) Mullen is better than Butch and would do better at Tennessee than 7-5 per year. However if the SOS's were to be similar Mullen's increase of success (just by the numbers) would not be enough for what people are wanting.

Look if Mullen currently wins 3/5ths of his games, he switches to a like school (with similar talent....not saying he couldn't get better, but over his time at MSU it has been similar) and the new team plays a like schedule (not the same teams but similar SOS's) how can one expect Mullen would now be a 10 or 11 win coach?
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Glad to know you consider Auburn, LSU, and Texas A&M equals to Vandy, Mizzou, and South Carolina.
 
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Volstylexx said:
You need to catch up to date. Jumped off the support Butch train a while ago.

That said, Mullen would be mediocre at TN. Good coaches win games they shouldn't - with less talent, at places they shouldn't be winning. Mullen hasn't done that.
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So how much different was Franklin's record at vandy compared to Mullens? If I'm not mistaken Franklin was right at .600
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Glad to know you consider Auburn, LSU, and Texas A&M equals to Vandy, Mizzou, and South Carolina.
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Glad to you know you do not have basic comprehension skills. I never said anything about a team.......I did however say something about strength of schedule.

The only.......ONLY thing you spew is your weak opinion, and often spew that as if it were a fact. You cannot even understand what facts are.

I put forth a logical argument, based on real numbers and real statistics.........you always follow up with "your" opinion........never posting any facts, stats, or relevant information of your own.

Go back to the drawing board. You can love Mullen all you want. I still do not and never will.
 
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JoAllan said:
Glad to you know you do not have basic comprehension skills. I never said anyone about a team.......I did however say something about strength of schedule.

The only.......ONLY thing you spew is your weak opinion, and often spew that as if it were a fact. You cannot even understand what facts are.

I put forth a logical argument, based on real numbers and real statistics.........you always follow up with "your" opinion........never posting any facts, stats, or relevant information of your own.

Go back to the drawing board. You can love Mullen all you want. I still do not and never will.
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Compare the SEC schedules... MSU’s is way harder. If you can’t see that, you’re a moron.

That’s a fact.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Compare the SEC schedules... MSU’s is way harder. If you can’t see that, you’re a moron.
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LOL there you go again. MSU's sos over the past 8 years has not been much different than TN's. For your argument to be correct MSU would have to have a much harder sos every year......and that is not the case. However that is OK
we realize you can not possibly understand how that works.

LOL I love how when faced with some type of fact you always resort to name calling, because that is all you got.
 
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JoAllan said:
LOL there you go again. MSU's sos over the past 8 years has not been much different than TN's. For your argument to be correct MSU would have to have a much harder sos every year......and that is not the case. However that is OK
we realize you can not possibly understand how that works.

LOL I love how when faced with some type of fact you always resort to name calling, because that is all you got.
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Once again, you are validating that you think LSU, Auburn, A&M are equal to South Carolina, Vandy, and Mizzou.

Sad that you think You need SoS rankings to figure that out
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Once again, you are validating that you think LSU, Auburn, A&M are equal to South Carolina, Vandy, and Mizzou.

Sad that you think You need SoS rankings to figure that out
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No I am not but I do understand what SOS is and what it means. I am sorry if you do not. Try again, as in all of these posts I stated I wasn't talking about ANY team, rather MSU's and TN's SOS.

I totally understand that you have to try anything, because you have zero facts, and you provide zero evidence.......in any of these threads.
 
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JoAllan said:
No I am not but I do understand what SOS is and what it means. I am sorry if you do not. Try again, as in all of these posts I stated I wasn't talking about ANY team, rather MSU's and TN's SOS.

I totally understand that you have to try anything, because you have zero facts, and you provide zero evidence.......in any of these threads.
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I don’t need a ranking of schedules to understand that MSU’s schedule is much tougher than Tennessee’s
 
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