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If Mullen is winning between 7 and 9 most years at MSU in the meat grinder that is the SEC West he'll be fine here. I'd expect 8-4 would be a down year with most seasons being in the 9 to 11 win range. Had he been the coach over the last 2 years, not counting this one, we're back to back eastern division champs IMO.
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Nobody has really said.

From the outside it looks like he got sideways with some people but that's just a guess on my part. Whatever the reason, he probably wasn't the guy for this job considering he's at the house now.
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I think he burned some bridges there in the assumption he had the UT AD job in the bag.
 
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I am seeing Good arguments for Mullen definitely being an upgrade as a coach, but I am just not buying the upgrade in recruiting. Everyone knows that at the end of the day, you have to have the talent on the field to coach... Once Saban had several top 5 classes the rest took care of itself... I know Starkville is a pit, but I tend to think there are just as many kids out there that go to schools because they want to play for that coach. Not seeing too many higher-tier kids wanting to go play for him. Yes, it looks as though he gets the most out of what he has, but it worries me he will only be able to get the same level of kid to come here... With a new hire that has a spark (Frost or similar), now you have some new excitement in the program, some buzz, and kids gravitate towards that... Mullen coming to UT will barely move the needle on a program that is almost on life support with recruits decommitting left and right... JMO
 
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nicksjuzunk said:
How many other coaches at schools in the lower echelons of their conferences, like Mississippi State with 60% winning percentages are exciting you guys?

Maybe studs like

Mike Bobo at CSU

Todd Graham is 60% at ASU

Surely Kirk Ferentz couldn’t be expected to compete with OSU PSU & Michigan at Iowa, but he’s winning about 56% of his games at a place like Iowa.

Larry Fedora is winning 59%, and he has to play Clemson, FSU VT, GT and other teams like that. Maybe Larry can do better here?

This fan base is infatuated with Mullen, and I just don’t get it
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I don't get it either, and never have.
 
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BruinVol said:
If Davenport is the one behind Blackburn not being hired I can't understand why anyone is criticizing her for that. We should be applauding her as she avoided hiring a guy that is no longer an AD. He clearly had issues and I praise her for steering clear of him.
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Lol...do you even know the whole story? No. Once again, it was simply Davenport’s string being pulled by someone above her, who didn’t want DB due to some kind of vendetta.
 
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Nashvegas31 said:
No clue. He can recruit the best of the best at QB just like he did at Florida. He can hire better defensive staff. He has coached 3 current NFL starting QBs in Alex Smith, Cam newton and Dak prescott. He coached one of the greatest college QBs in Tebow.

I would venture to say he might make a phone call or two to Fields with a pitch. If not he probably makes Martinez the next star after he gets Done with JG
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This has been his Achilles heel. MSU achieved greater success when Manny Gonzales (sp) was the DC. His recent choices for DC have been meh to bad.

Wonder if he would consider Shoop or would Shoop want to stay?
 
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This is as close to an apples to apples comparison you'll find for Mullen at Miss St. and Mullen's potential at Tennessee:

Tommy Tuberville was the coach at Ole Miss before he went to Auburn. Tubs at Ole Miss averaged 6.25 wins a year overall, and 3 wins a year in the SEC. Tubs at Auburn averaged 8.5 wins a year, 5.1 wins a year in the SEC. So Tubs was just over two games better overall and in the SEC at a place like Auburn that has considerably better history, resources, facilities, etc. than Ole Miss.

Mullen averages 7.6 wins per season overall at Miss St., 3.6 wins per year in the SEC. If he can average 9.6 wins per year in Knoxville, and 5.6 wins per year in the SEC, he'll have a street named after him in Ktown before he's done.
 
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volinbama256 said:
I am seeing Good arguments for Mullen definitely being an upgrade as a coach, but I am just not buying the upgrade in recruiting. Everyone knows that at the end of the day, you have to have the talent on the field to coach... Once Saban had several top 5 classes the rest took care of itself... I know Starkville is a pit, but I tend to think there are just as many kids out there that go to schools because they want to play for that coach. Not seeing too many higher-tier kids wanting to go play for him. Yes, it looks as though he gets the most out of what he has, but it worries me he will only be able to get the same level of kid to come here... With a new hire that has a spark (Frost or similar), now you have some new excitement in the program, some buzz, and kids gravitate towards that... Mullen coming to UT will barely move the needle on a program that is almost on life support with recruits decommitting left and right... JMO
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You don’t have to have a “spark” or be flashy to recruit well. Butch has good star ratings. But ever year since we have been we have been ultra thin at key positions especially on defense.i think he takes kids to purposely raise ratings even if they may not fit us or if they are lacking other big offers. I would hope Mullen can keep those ties at Mississippi jucos too. Look at all of the defensive guys especially that Mullen has developed and put in the league. If he’s getting say 2 of those a class I would think he would get hopefully 4 a class here.
 
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volinbama256 said:
I am seeing Good arguments for Mullen definitely being an upgrade as a coach, but I am just not buying the upgrade in recruiting. Everyone knows that at the end of the day, you have to have the talent on the field to coach... Once Saban had several top 5 classes the rest took care of itself... I know Starkville is a pit, but I tend to think there are just as many kids out there that go to schools because they want to play for that coach. Not seeing too many higher-tier kids wanting to go play for him. Yes, it looks as though he gets the most out of what he has, but it worries me he will only be able to get the same level of kid to come here... With a new hire that has a spark (Frost or similar), now you have some new excitement in the program, some buzz, and kids gravitate towards that... Mullen coming to UT will barely move the needle on a program that is almost on life support with recruits decommitting left and right... JMO
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At the end of the day he's still recruiting kids to Starkville, Mississippi.
 
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Volator said:
This has been his Achilles heel. MSU achieved greater success when Manny Gonzales (sp) was the DC. His recent choices for DC have been meh to bad.

Wonder if he would consider Shoop or would Shoop want to stay?
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I believe you’re thinking of Manny Diaz. Who is with Richt now as the DC btw
 
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Let's do this:

Would you have been okay with hiring Mullen from Florida instead of hiring Kiffin? Would that have been too soon?

No? What about after 4 years at Mississippi State? What if we hired him instead of Butch? He was 26-22 and I would argue it would have been the correct hire.

Is the problem Mullen or that he hit his ceiling at MSU early and didn't get out in time and now he seems stagnant?
 
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BigZiti09 said:
Nobody has really said.

From the outside it looks like he got sideways with some people but that's just a guess on my part. Whatever the reason, he probably wasn't the guy for this job considering he's at the house now.
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Have you ever thought he’s at the house, because of the same reason he didn’t get the AD job in Knoxville?
 
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I would not have anything bad to say if Mullen came here. I've been avid advocate for Patterson, but they may not be able to sway him from TCU.

I know most won't like this,, but there are 3-4 coaches ABOVE Gruden in my eyes. Just because he hasn't coached in 10 years, has never been a college HC or recruited in College and he's not proven in College ranks, and sometimes the game passes people up. Kinda like with Kelly, teams eventually figured out his scheme.

As many have said, he would kill it here and that's possible, but if he didn't, the amount of money and just total failure by the AD, would be catastrophic. I just don't know if he he wants to risk his relationships here at UT.

There is only 1-2 coaches I would offer a Gruden type offer. Patterson, Kelly, Franklin. Peterson doesn't like the lime light that comes with a UT gig, and that's well known.

Other than those, I would take Mullen, Fisher, Shaw, with big but not Gruden type offers, then third tier would be Frost, Iowa st coach and a few others
 
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I would’ve loved to seen Mullen have our offense last year. Dobbs would’ve been in the heisman race if he had him his hole tenure here.
 
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BruinVol said:
If Davenport is the one behind Blackburn not being hired I can't understand why anyone is criticizing her for that. We should be applauding her as she avoided hiring a guy that is no longer an AD. He clearly had issues and I praise her for steering clear of him.
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Never mind.
 
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Kingston Vol said:
Let's do this:

Would you have been okay with hiring Mullen from Florida instead of hiring Kiffin? Would that have been too soon?

No? What about after 4 years at Mississippi State? What if we hired him instead of Butch? He was 26-22 and I would argue it would have been the correct hire.


Is the problem Mullen or that he hit his ceiling at MSU early and didn't get out in time and now he seems stagnant?
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All this talk about about Mullen doesn’t matter, because:


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MetalVolunteer said:
I would not have anything bad to say if Mullen came here. I've been avid advocate for Patterson, but they may not be able to sway him from TCU.

I know most won't like this,, but there are 3-4 coaches ABOVE Gruden in my eyes. Just because he hasn't coached in 10 years, has never been a college HC or recruited in College. As many have said, he would kill it here and that's possible, but if he didn't, the amount of money and just total failure by the AD, would be catastrophic. I just don't know if he he wants to risk his relationships here at UT.

There is only 1-2 coaches I would offer a Gruden type offer. Patterson, Kelly, Franklin. Peterson doesn't like the lime light that comes with a UT gig.

Other than those, I would take Mullen, Fisher, Shaw, with big but not Gruden type offees, then third tier would be Frost, Iowa st coach and a few others
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TCU wasn’t in the big 12 the last time we should’ve and could’ve hired GP. Now he’s easily the best coach in big 12 with Stoops being gone. He can legitimately be in the playoffs with basically beating out OSU now.
 
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