Official Jon Gruden Thread XIX

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VFLnSFD said:
So, my theory is that after the Alabama game last year, things started moving in this direction. Everyone with any critical thinking skills knew that we were going to need a new coach, and that an up and comer wasn't going to cut it. Cue Currie in February. Peyton does the leg work to patch things up between Currie and Fulmer. Cue Fulmer in June. I believe that this has been going on for months. I think that Gruden (or his agent) could see the writing on ESPN's wall, and they knew an exit strategy was needed. The pieces I heard that solidified this part for me was the part about the Gruden family's house search starting before the Florida game. Also, the fact that any immediate member of the family is even alluding to the possibility in public tells me that his part of the deal is done. These folks aren't new to the world of being in the public eye. Their son wouldn't be talking if he wasn't supposed to. He grew up with a very famous dad, he knows how to do things, and he doesn't need the attention. That brings me to the most fascinating piece of this whole thing which is the fact that the son is an AGR. He could have picked any fraternity, and he picks AGR. This tells me SO MUCH about that family. I think this tidbit is way undervalued I digress...

I think that Orlando Vol brought the goods last night. He confirmed that puzzle piece for me. I also think that Currie or his office intentionally sent trolls to muddy the waters. Trolls with many different stories, many of which hold a nugget of truth. Some may not even know they are trolling us (or trying to).

This theory is about human nature, and the way big business is done. It is not about Butch Jones losing football games he shouldn't. He has wanted out since last year. His family has wanted out. I think Currie wanted to wait until the end of the season. Maybe he will and maybe he won't. I've thought that Fulmer as interim was absurd. However, if it is Fulmer there is absolutely no way that the ink isn't dry on Gruden.

Again, only a theory based on obsessiveness.
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VFLnSFD said:
So, my theory is that after the Alabama game last year, things started moving in this direction. Everyone with any critical thinking skills knew that we were going to need a new coach, and that an up and comer wasn't going to cut it. Cue Currie in February. Peyton does the leg work to patch things up between Currie and Fulmer. Cue Fulmer in June. I believe that this has been going on for months. I think that Gruden (or his agent) could see the writing on ESPN's wall, and they knew an exit strategy was needed. The pieces I heard that solidified this part for me was the part about the Gruden family's house search starting before the Florida game. Also, the fact that any immediate member of the family is even alluding to the possibility in public tells me that his part of the deal is done. These folks aren't new to the world of being in the public eye. Their son wouldn't be talking if he wasn't supposed to. He grew up with a very famous dad, he knows how to do things, and he doesn't need the attention. That brings me to the most fascinating piece of this whole thing which is the fact that the son is an AGR. He could have picked any fraternity, and he picks AGR. This tells me SO MUCH about that family. I think this tidbit is way undervalued I digress...

I think that Orlando Vol brought the goods last night. He confirmed that puzzle piece for me. I also think that Currie or his office intentionally sent trolls to muddy the waters. Trolls with many different stories, many of which hold a nugget of truth. Some may not even know they are trolling us (or trying to).

This theory is about human nature, and the way big business is done. It is not about Butch Jones losing football games he shouldn't. He has wanted out since last year. His family has wanted out. I think Currie wanted to wait until the end of the season. Maybe he will and maybe he won't. I've thought that Fulmer as interim was absurd. However, if it is Fulmer there is absolutely no way that the ink isn't dry on Gruden.

Again, only a theory based on obsessiveness.
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I like the way you think...but what is the deal with the AGR frat that you refer to?
 
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MKEvol said:
Ok. This is going to be a little long, but please everyone read. Also let me say that I am all aboard the Gruden train and have been for years. Hoping this is finally the time it happens.

Now, I don't want to dampen anyone's excitement here, but legally there are some things that need to be cleared up in this thread. Mostly this is just timeline stuff. I have seen several places rumors that there are agreements in place with Butch and Gruden, and everything is just waiting to be announced, etc. This is absolutely, incontrovertibly false. There is zero chance the general counsel's office would agree to these "agreements" at this point in time. Why? There is one major roadblock in place, Butch is still employed by the university and has a contract.

Butch:
Now, I have also seen places where "Butch and the university have agreed to something" but no coach is agreeing to be fired/resign and then continuing to coach, it just doesn't happen. Certainly it doesn't happen without news leaking. The GC's office may have something typed up and ready to go for if/when Currie pulls the trigger, but believe me when I say the nothing has been finalized. I am sure the GCs office has reviewed Butch's contract and has been advising Currie at this point on what would happen if/when he decides to fire Butch. But there is no contract in place between Butch and TN, yet, that formally ends the relationship. Sorry.

Gruden:
For Gruden the issue becomes even clearer, then, based on the roadblock. There is absolutely no way he has any sort of agreement to coach TN yet. ZERO. In fact, there is ZERO chance that any sort of agreement has even been initially drafted, etc. As long as Butch has a contract in place, any agreement or formulation of an agreement with Gruden would constitute tortious interference. Butch would love for this to happen. Why? Not only would he sue Gruden/TN and receive the entire value of the contract that was interfered with, he would also be entitled to punitive damages. Even worse is that Butch would have a claim for a negative injunction against Gruden and the school that would legally block Gruden from taking the TN job. All because they would have frustrated Butch's ability to complete his own contractual relationship with the university.


So where does this logically leave us?
The timeline has to go in order. First, Butch has to be fired. This would end the interference claim and allow Currie and the GCs office to engage in actual negotiations with Gruden and his team. Second, becomes the negotiations. Third, is the offer. And fourth is waiting for an acceptance or denial. Its really that simple.

Now, the positive news. TN is not sitting on its hands doing nothing. I would be shocked if people like the Haslem's, and Peyton, and Phil are not in touch with Gruden's people gauging interest. It would be criminal not to know where he stands before embarking on this attempt. I would guess we also know there is mutual interest there. Back channels are probably feeling each other out. Gruden may be even contacting people to see who might form a staff with him, if he is offered the job. That is all prudent for the decision making. Perhaps Gruden would only come if he has the right team in place, I don't know. But he would be dumb, knowing the rumors are out there, to not at least be investigating whether he'd take the job at this point too. So sit back and wait. Nothing is in place. I would hope and assume that Butch will be fired after we get drilled by Bama this weekend (sorry, its definitely happening). If he is not, then it is time to direct the anger towards Currie and force his hand.

The time has come. We need to fire Butch. Its over. While we may not get Gruden, my hope is that the school at least throws the blank check his way and makes him say no. But if they truly care about TN, then they have t make him say no. If he turns us down, fine. Then go to the next best coach. Enough with the bargain bin diving.

Go vols! Go Gruden!
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Did DTO post anymore last night after alluding that Gruden might go somewhere else? That just seemed out of left field for a "reason" that things didn't get done. We are supposedly all in on a guy with ties to Tennessee and he suddenly says Nah this other job suits me better. 🤔
 
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VFLnSFD said:
I also think that Currie or his office intentionally sent trolls to muddy the waters. Trolls with many different stories, many of which hold a nugget of truth. Some may not even know they are trolling us (or trying to).
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Seen. I think your conclusion is supported by solid evidence. I buy this.

However, if it is Fulmer there is absolutely no way that the ink isn't dry on Gruden.
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I think you are 100% dead on here.

Your overall theory is excellent. Let me add a couple of data points that I think are positive.

1. Vegas line move. +2000 down to +1200 is a huge shift, and you can't attribute it to a bunch of Twitter and internet posters scrambling to drop $500 on a bet.

2. Gruden hasn't said anything. If he's not been approached, there's simply no way he lets the speculation get to where it is without some sort of statement.

Personally, I think the timing of the small comments we got yesterday indicating negotiations were ongoing, followed by the explosion of every possible Grumor you could imagine, supports a conclusion that the AD had reached a specific milestone in talks, and started an orchestrated misinformation campaign.

The whole thing is fascinating to watch. Keep your eyes open, SFD! 😁👍
 
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VFLnSFD said:
So, my theory is that after the Alabama game last year, things started moving in this direction. Everyone with any critical thinking skills knew that we were going to need a new coach, and that an up and comer wasn't going to cut it. Cue Currie in February. Peyton does the leg work to patch things up between Currie and Fulmer. Cue Fulmer in June. I believe that this has been going on for months. I think that Gruden (or his agent) could see the writing on ESPN's wall, and they knew an exit strategy was needed. The pieces I heard that solidified this part for me was the part about the Gruden family's house search starting before the Florida game. Also, the fact that any immediate member of the family is even alluding to the possibility in public tells me that his part of the deal is done. These folks aren't new to the world of being in the public eye. Their son wouldn't be talking if he wasn't supposed to. He grew up with a very famous dad, he knows how to do things, and he doesn't need the attention. That brings me to the most fascinating piece of this whole thing which is the fact that the son is an AGR. He could have picked any fraternity, and he picks AGR. This tells me SO MUCH about that family. I think this tidbit is way undervalued I digress...

I think that Orlando Vol brought the goods last night. He confirmed that puzzle piece for me. I also think that Currie or his office intentionally sent trolls to muddy the waters. Trolls with many different stories, many of which hold a nugget of truth. Some may not even know they are trolling us (or trying to).

This theory is about human nature, and the way big business is done. It is not about Butch Jones losing football games he shouldn't. He has wanted out since last year. His family has wanted out. I think Currie wanted to wait until the end of the season. Maybe he will and maybe he won't. I've thought that Fulmer as interim was absurd. However, if it is Fulmer there is absolutely no way that the ink isn't dry on Gruden.

Again, only a theory based on obsessiveness.
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I am also someone who literally reads all the posts so I can piece together the "observational viewpoint". That being said, I have never really understood the point or rationale behind greek life, and as such never gave two craps about knowing about it. Could you illuminate me on this nugget? Because its the only thing I haven't been able to figure out in the swirl of background details.
 
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I just had a discussion with someone in the office, who's adult children have ties to the UT Athletic Department. She had dinner with them last night. One of her son's who's good friend works in the AD said....Get ready, "you're not going to like it", Jones will be fired on Monday. This talk about Gruden meeting with Currie is true, However, he's helping with the "new hire process" along with Peyton - not discussing Gruden coming to UT. They are trying to get Stoops - Gruden, and Peyton are just assisting in the process.
 
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SubjectiveReality said:
I am also someone who literally reads all the posts so I can piece together the "observational viewpoint". That being said, I have never really understood the point or rationale behind greek life, and as such never gave two craps about knowing about it. Could you illuminate me on this nugget? Because its the only thing I haven't been able to figure out in the swirl of background details.
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Basically, Gruden's son being an AGR means they aren't attention whores.
 
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Orlando Vol said:
I scout games for Florida Citrus Sports, including the Tennessee-Vanderbilt game in Knoxville 2 seasons ago. I was quoted in the Chattanooga Times Free Press afterwards, and mistakenly given the title of “selection committee member” — while in reality, I participate in the process, but ultimately am not “picking the teams” for the 2 bowl games — hope that clears it up.
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Where did you graduate from?
 
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VFLnSFD said:
So, my theory is that after the Alabama game last year, things started moving in this direction. Everyone with any critical thinking skills knew that we were going to need a new coach, and that an up and comer wasn't going to cut it. Cue Currie in February. Peyton does the leg work to patch things up between Currie and Fulmer. Cue Fulmer in June. I believe that this has been going on for months. I think that Gruden (or his agent) could see the writing on ESPN's wall, and they knew an exit strategy was needed. The pieces I heard that solidified this part for me was the part about the Gruden family's house search starting before the Florida game. Also, the fact that any immediate member of the family is even alluding to the possibility in public tells me that his part of the deal is done. These folks aren't new to the world of being in the public eye. Their son wouldn't be talking if he wasn't supposed to. He grew up with a very famous dad, he knows how to do things, and he doesn't need the attention. That brings me to the most fascinating piece of this whole thing which is the fact that the son is an AGR. He could have picked any fraternity, and he picks AGR. This tells me SO MUCH about that family. I think this tidbit is way undervalued I digress...

I think that Orlando Vol brought the goods last night. He confirmed that puzzle piece for me. I also think that Currie or his office intentionally sent trolls to muddy the waters. Trolls with many different stories, many of which hold a nugget of truth. Some may not even know they are trolling us (or trying to).

This theory is about human nature, and the way big business is done. It is not about Butch Jones losing football games he shouldn't. He has wanted out since last year. His family has wanted out. I think Currie wanted to wait until the end of the season. Maybe he will and maybe he won't. I've thought that Fulmer as interim was absurd. However, if it is Fulmer there is absolutely no way that the ink isn't dry on Gruden.

Again, only a theory based on obsessiveness.
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I can dig this..Good post!

SOON

:devilsmoke:
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
Yea. Check out Overton square too. May change your mind lol. It's really not what's it's made out to be although not for everyone.
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It used to be. I don't know how long you lived there, but in the late 70's and early 80's, it was a Great place to be! There would be from 10k to 20k every weekend. Then it died. They've been trying to resurrect it in the last few years.
 
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Lovesomebigorange said:
Did DTO post anymore last night after alluding that Gruden might go somewhere else? That just seemed out of left field for a "reason" that things didn't get done. We are supposedly all in on a guy with ties to Tennessee and he suddenly says Nah this other job suits me better. 🤔
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Read what MIKEvok said...this is what I've been trying to explain to everyone.
 
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dbarker said:
I still don't necessarily believe him though lol. My line of thought on this actually lines closest to your theory. I severely doubt they put Fulmer in as interim as well. I doubt they pull someone from administration former coach or not, to step over the current coaches and lead everyone needs Ion't think that has ever been done.
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I'm fairly positive this has happened twice at Wisconsin with Barry Alvarez, he stepped in twice, I think once after Bielema left and the second time when another coach left, I'm not sure on that second one, but it has happened before at a different school
 
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Okay gif masters and computer experts, i googled this and still didn't understand. So maybe the reason some gifs don't work is i'm trying to use gifs that are too big. On the "go advanced - manage attachments" window, it states the limit for a gif at 47.68 MB - 800X600.

So, my questions are:
1) this one confuses me, which is bigger, KB or MB. Don't say one is this many so this one is this many of those. I don't get it on google when i read it there either. Try to make a child (me) understand it.
2) does the 800X600 matter, even if it's less than the 47.68 MB?

Thanks for your kindhearted assistance.
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