Recruiting Forum Talk XXXIX

[Catbone]

I believe coaches do not want to coach here and deal with the boosters and administration on the hill.

Probably at least part of the problem. Great coaches want great control.

 

[Big Gucci Sosa]

Jalens dad isn't wrong

 

[MrVolton]

I believe coaches do not want to coach here and deal with the boosters and administration on the hill.

Then they won't want to go to any major program, because I refuse to believe that it's a whole lot worse here than it is places like Texas, etc.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

UCLA would also be a lot easier to recruit to based on being in Cali. Kelly might like that. I worry more about them than I normally would.

Mora is obviously not getting it done.

Remember how VT quickly got Fuente? Ohio State and Urban? We need to move quick and make it a "can't say no" deal. imo

Wouldn't say UCLA is easier to recruit to than Tennessee. Derek Dooley signed a couple top 15 classes here. If we actually had a top coach, with the instate talent on the rise, we should be pulling top ten classes almost every year IMO

 

[WallyBalls]

I get the feeling that many over there understand that many fans are about to say screw it and move on. There is a lot of competition for entertainment dollars these days. I get the feeling many think like you and will say "Call me when you get serious", "I'll invest when you invest." I think the days of taking the UT fan base for granted may be slowly diminishing. Many are becoming wise to it. I think this hire is the biggest decision since the decision to fire Coach Fulmer. I also think the only way to have the fans on board with a huge amount of enthusiasm is to name a big name, well established coach. Remember, the casual fan doesn't know coaches like Frost, Venables, and Brohm.

I think you’re on to something there. I’m sure there’s a certain number of donors that are fluid and not long term donors. They’ll come and go as the team goes or if a new coach spikes interest. But the long term people are what interests me.

I’d be interested to have access to the VASF/TN Fund numbers going back to the late 80s/early 90s. I say that, because my father was in his early 40s during that time frame. He was finally able to start donating around 92 or 93ish. I would guess there was a decent boom in the donor lists in those glory days....and those people are getting up into their late 60s/early 70s.

Dad and a lot of people like him are pretty much over it. The hassle of a game, getting stuck in far flung parking lots, sub standard facilities (piss troughs), and miserably uncomfortable seats...all for a decade of, at best, mediocre football. Losing those boomers (for lack of a better word) would be borderline disastrous because there’s not much coming behind them. I’m in my 30s and I’ll be there regardless, but my age group is really the last ones raised on going over there week in/week out.

Couple that with the looming stadium projects that MUST be completed...and it’s very sobering how critical the next 3 months are to the future of UT football.

 

[NMVol]

Jalen Hurd's stepdad sounds off on Tennessee's offensive struggles under Butch Jones

It's the same offense he ran a Cincinnati. The running back strings along the diagonal blocking toward the sideline. I remember the highlight video I watched when CBJ was hired. Apparently SEC stunts can interrupt that flow fairly easily. Coach Jones blames the O Line while preaching "line of scrimmage" league. He's incredulous that SEC caliber d-lines have the strength and quickness to penetrate the diagonal blocking scheme. At least that's how I see it this afternoon.

Not sure I even understand the concept with his passing scheme and the 12 receiver rotation.

Edit: TC cut-back run yesterday was interesting in light of these coaching biases: raw ability.

 

[drvenner]

He’s not wrong...

Jalen Hurd's stepdad sounds off on Tennessee's offensive struggles under Butch Jones

What is your opinion on Jalen Hurd? Has it changed since he quit, erm, transferred?

 

[drvenner]

Ha ha. Perhaps. This is my theory on some of these anyway. Who knows though ? Seems like a circus at this point.

No argument from me on the circus part. The wheels have come completely off.

 

[RikidyBones]

What is your opinion on Jalen Hurd? Has it changed since he quit, erm, transferred?

Mine hasn't. he's an idiot. still. lost money for his dumbassery. Now he's undraftable and two years older before he even sniffs another shot and a new position.

 

[RiotVol]

It's the same offense he ran a Cincinnati. The running back strings along the diagonal blocking toward the sideline. I remember the highlight video I watched when CBJ was hired. Apparently SEC stunts can interrupt that flow fairly easily. Coach Jones blames the O Line while preaching "line of scrimmage" league. He's incredulous that SEC caliber d-lines have the strength and quickness to penetrate the diagonal blocking scheme. At least that's how I see it this afternoon.

Not sure I even understand the concept with his passing scheme and the 12 receiver rotation.

Couple that with the fact that we're running it this year with almost no running threat from the qb, so the DEs are free to crash down the line.

It's a f@@#ing sh!t show.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

What is your opinion on Jalen Hurd? Has it changed since he quit, erm, transferred?

My opinion of him is that he should have stayed with his team and left after the season. He is right to have left Butch. Butch was shortening his career. But you don’t quit mid season. If I were him I would’ve just went to the NFL.

 

[NMVol]

My opinion of him is that he should have stayed with his team and left after the season. He is right to have left Butch. Butch was shortening his career. But you don’t quit mid season. If I were him I would’ve just went to the NFL.

What you're really saying is that he should have stuck to his guns at the end of 2015. He probably regrets saying yes to his re-recruitment.

 

[InVOLuntary]

My opinion of him is that he should have stayed with his team and left after the season. He is right to have left Butch. Butch was shortening his career. But you don’t quit mid season. If I were him I would’ve just went to the NFL.

I think a few have quit this year too. All under the guise of injuries.

 

[MrVolton]

Wouldn't say UCLA is easier to recruit to than Tennessee. Derek Dooley signed a couple top 15 classes here. If we actually had a top coach, with the instate talent on the rise, we should be pulling top ten classes almost every year IMO

This. If Dooley can outrecruit UCLA while at UT, anyone can.

 

[UTProf]

As an assistant prof, I work my tail off and I've only gotten one cost-of-living raise, and probably won't get another until I get tenure (and then another way down the line when I get promoted to full prof) - unless I get a job offer from somewhere else.

Meanwhile, there's a whole caste of well-paid administrators who, as far as I can tell, don't really do anything aside from go to meetings and invent new ways to waste faculty's time and charge students higher tuition. It's infuriating. I love being a prof, but there are days i wish I could burn the whole system to the ground.

^This. People need to understand that no one hates the admin and bureaucracy it produces more than the faculty. Universities do what universities do with zero regard for faculty and staff's opinion or input. Academics are woefully underpaid while tuition rises and classrooms get too large.

 

[OrangenSC]

He can fire Butch and still take his time. It has to happen next week. Otherwise Currie starts to look hugely incompetent. Every national beat writer in the country will be calling him out for leaving Jones on the job if he's still employed on Monday morning after the epic thrashing we're going to receive in Tuscaloosa and what will be 14 quarters in a row without a touchdown.

Why do we do this? Why do we act like we know better than the AD what the heck is going on in the coaching search. If he doesn't do what I think he should do he must be incompetent. Not just incompetent, but hugely incompetent.

It's a bit of an exaggeration to say every national beat writer in the country... But even if it was true, so what? So now we're supposed to do what the writers think we should do and when they think we should do it? Yeah, that's the path to championships. We already pay way too much attention to what these people say. News flash, they aren't the experts in these things, and it's not their career that's on the line with this hire.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

I think a few have quit this year too. All under the guise of injuries.

Me too

 

[austin_vol]

Early line last week was -35.5 or something like that.

They were 37 against Arkansas so you have to think we have to at least be at that mark

 

[JacketVol]

Then they won't want to go to any major program, because I refuse to believe that it's a whole lot worse here than it is places like Texas, etc.

They work together and hire who they want. Football is important to the administration at Texas. They get things done. Ours fight with each other and the administration is more an obstacle than enablers.

 

[InVOLuntary]

They work together and hire who they want. Football is important to the administration at Texas. They get things done. Ours fight with each other and the administration is more an obstacle than enablers.

I think when the AD was removed from under the president and placed under the Chancellor was when things started going south. Hasn't really been the same since.

 

[MrVolton]

They work together and hire who they want. Football is important to the administration at Texas. They get things done. Ours fight with each other and the administration is more an obstacle than enablers.

They have their fair share of dysfunction. I've heard it suggested that it's part of the reason Strong's tenure there was unsuccessful.

 

[Vols4us]

He’s not wrong...

Jalen Hurd's stepdad sounds off on Tennessee's offensive struggles under Butch Jones

I have been posting this from Year 1, as well as my dislike bordering on hatred of this offense. Smotherman just informed the world, most of whom don't know X & O's, how easy it is to spot what is wrong with the running game scheme. There are no acceptable excuses for it continuing for 5 seasons. Even worse are the promises of changes that never came.

 

[JacketVol]

I think when the AD was removed from under the president and placed under the Chancellor was when things started going south. Hasn't really been the same since.

Exactly.

 

[JacketVol]

They have their fair share of dysfunction. I've heard it suggested that it's part of the reason Strong's tenure there was unsuccessful.

Some never accepted Strong and never would. Had nothing to do with anything he could control. God made him the way he made him.

 

[RiotVol]

^This. People need to understand that no one hates the admin and bureaucracy it produces more than the faculty. Universities do what universities do with zero regard for faculty and staff's opinion or input. Academics are woefully underpaid while tuition rises and classrooms get too large.