What's changed just curious?

#51
#51
What's changed??? Not a damn thing, this is the problem. Our O-Line should be markedly better and the are actually worse this year than last year. This staff does less with more every year and it is astonishing to me that they are still a staff.
 
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UTblood4life said:
Scott in the booth we are gona line up under center, Lyle receives the play says nope we r staying in the gun and throw it four times, the chart says too, I hope someone burns that thing when he's FIRED LMAO
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So from Arizona, you have a direct line to the sidelines and listen to what the coaches are saying. Or, you could be just making up what you want to say. I doubt you know what is going on with the sideline chatter and you goal is to add more mud to the situation. Live is so much more pleasant if one looks for the positive rather than create the negative.
 
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VOLINVONORE said:
So from Arizona, you have a direct line to the sidelines and listen to what the coaches are saying. Or, you could be just making up what you want to say. I doubt you know what is going on with the sideline chatter and you goal is to add more mud to the situation. Live is so much more pleasant if one looks for the positive rather than create the negative.
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It’s infinitely more pleasant not living in reality I imagine as well vonore. You have it made.
 
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ajvol01 said:
Just curious OP, have you watched any games this season?

Without question this is the ugliest Tennessee football has looked since 2012.

In year 5 why does the product on the field look as bad or worse than year 1?
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Go back and watch 2012 and 2013...

New coaches especially at the coordinator level typically make it tough to execute on the field.
 
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#55
The problem with 7 or 8 wins this year (which I doubt we get to) is that we never got to 10-2 before reloading. If he gets to 8 after losing to Bama and LSU, he might survive, but a loss to any of the others will probably doom him.
 
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TNnative said:
Sometimes, you have to run out the clock to win. If it is another SEC team, you can live with that. Even Vanderbilt in the last 8 years. If it is another decent power 5 team? That's acceptable.

When it is UMass? Someone you paid six figures to do a one and done with? A team that is 0-6? We had to run out the clock to win this damn game. This is what I call a perception changing event that pretty much sucks every last shred of optimism from the mind of the most extreme positivity junkies.

This isn't an emotional decision. This is stone cold, wake up and smell the coffee reality. Forget the Georgia game, the week before was an omen of how bad the Vols asses would get kicked by a talented and motivated Georgia team. And that is why, even though I can admire your loyalty to the team, right now it seems an exercise in futility.
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IIRC, UT was unable to pick up a first down to run out the clock and punted. UMass had the ball with an opportunity to march down the field and score a winning td. Should have never came to that.
 
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JettVol said:
What's changed??? Not a damn thing, this is the problem.
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You are exactly right.

If Butch could not win with the 2016 team...........he never will.

This team has less talent, and no one was thinking National Champions......but everyone was expecting some player development..........people were excited to see some of the new players (we have now been disappointed). NO ONE was expecting the team to struggle vs Umass and NO ONE expected GA to beat Tennessee at home 41-0.............


NOTHING has changed.....we now have less talent......and it shows.........and nothing looks like Tennessee has had several top rated recruiting classes.
 
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8-4,9-3,7-5 etc., don't mean that much to me, as the last time I checked we were an SEC team. Yes, the way the system works, if you are 6-6, you'll go to the toilet bowl, or something like it. But how we fair against SEC teams is what we should be about. If we can't win the SEC, we will forever be a jones type team. The thought is enough to make any real Vol sick, and it has gone on far too long!!! The jones fan-boys have steered the conversation away from SEC standing, SEC play, SEC wins, to "Overall record", why? Because if they actually wanted to talk about what matters to an SEC team, they would look even more ignorant than they already do. For these idiots equate a win against UMASS as equal to a win against Bama! Crack is a powerful drug.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I'm curious to hear VN's reason for the change from preseason expectation to now. Several threads conducted back in preseason had input on the record from 6-6 to 11-1 and the majority said 8-4 or better would be a good season because of what was lost and an unproven QB. Then we lose DKjr. 8-4 became more of the prediction.
The 4 losses that most predicted were GA, Bama, LSU and Fla. I said this was a 4 game season and depending on how we did in those 4 games would determine the record at the end of the year. My prediction was 2-2 in those 4 games. We should be 1-1 at this point and the Fla game should never have come down to the final play. The team (coaches & players) did not execute the plays, missed 3 field goals etc...
Anyway we still have a great shot at 9-3 or 8-4 which is still in line with the majority preseason thread picks.

So question is what's changed in regards to CBJ and the team? Were you lying to yourself and VN when you made your predictions? Just curious.

I'm sticking with CBJ and the team until the end of the season. I'll then make my ploy for whether he stays or should go. Not making an emotional decision because they played the worst game possible last week. Happens to everyone at some point. Win this week and we are back on track.

JMHO

Go Vols I'm behind you always and forever!

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Tennesseeduke
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For some of us... nothing.

While folks were saying 8-4... I was saying that would mean that Jones at best had beaten the teams he had a roster advantage over and lost to those with equal or better rosters... and that was before we knew how bad LSU was.

I hoped for the best... but Jones has performance trends through 4 years. He lost 1 game in each of his first 2 yeas that should have been wins. He's lost 3 games in each of the last two years that should have been wins.

He consistently "plays down" to competition. I think this is a product of his offensive "system" just not being very good and especially the "base" offense... and his persistent habit of building opponents up more than they deserve...

South Alabama 31-24, Vandy 14-10 (L), Vandy 24-17, Ark St 34-19, Bowling Green 59-30, N Texas 24-0, a 3-9 USCe team 27-24, App St 20-13, Ohio 28-19, UMass 17-13,....

And UT maybe once or twice has truly "played over its head" under Jones.

That isn't a snap judgment based on one of UT's worst losses ever... in year 5 of Jones' "building strategy". That is a pattern of poor coaching that sometimes isn't noticed because they were ultimately wins. You expect a close game against a bad team once in a while. If it is a persistent habit... you have a coaching problem.

Great coaches, coach great. It doesn't matter how much talent Jones does or does not have... he always underperforms it.
 
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#64
what's changed you ask...we thought we knew...now we do...that's about the only change...until the next game, of course...:)

GO VOLS...BEAT THE GAMECOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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dillyo51 said:
IIRC, UT was unable to pick up a first down to run out the clock and punted. UMass had the ball with an opportunity to march down the field and score a winning td. Should have never came to that.
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Yes, that is what happened. Here is some of what should have happened.

The starters should have been goofing off on the sidelines watching the freshmen and walk-ons who are on the team to raise the team GPA play the fourth quarter. We should have had a sixty point lead, and a few players would have had to run extra wind sprints on Monday for getting into water fights...with the girls from the dance team. John Kelly should have made his way up to the radio booth, and told Kesling, "I got this."

It was UMass. Tennessee Tech or Carson Newman could have kicked their ass in a good year. How do we suck this bad, unless we are trying really hard to? This was more screwed up than snakes on a plane.
 
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BeardedVol said:
Don't think anyone predicted that Florida would have 9 players suspended, a hurricane, a missed cupcake game, and a lost week of practice prior to us going to the swamp. Don't think anyone predicted that we'd struggle to compete with a winless UMass team until their QB got hurt. Don't think anyone predicted a shutout to Georgia. Don't think anyone predicted that LSU would be in bad enough shape to be beaten by Troy.

The preseason predictions were made before the football landscape changed.
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Agree but would like to add that for me (this season)doubt began with giving up 500+ rushing yards to GT, which became even more depressing the next week when Jax State held them to about half that as I recall. Don't even care enough to google the stats. I'm so over this season.
 
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Rizzo924 said:
Agree but would like to add that for me (this season)doubt began with giving up 500+ rushing yards to GT, which became even more depressing the next week when Jax State held them to about half that as I recall. Don't even care enough to google the stats. I'm so over this season.
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I wish I could agree more than 100%

The last half of the 2016 regular season Tennessee was giving up like 400 rushing yards to almost anyone. I really thought Butch would use the entire offseason to make sure that got fixed. I knew Tennessee had less of a team than the 2016 team, but darn if you got a year to fix a huge problem..............FIX IT (the way it looks now one would think they didn't even work on it).
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I'm curious to hear VN's reason for the change from preseason expectation to now. Several threads conducted back in preseason had input on the record from 6-6 to 11-1 and the majority said 8-4 or better would be a good season because of what was lost and an unproven QB. Then we lose DKjr. 8-4 became more of the prediction.
The 4 losses that most predicted were GA, Bama, LSU and Fla. I said this was a 4 game season and depending on how we did in those 4 games would determine the record at the end of the year. My prediction was 2-2 in those 4 games. We should be 1-1 at this point and the Fla game should never have come down to the final play. The team (coaches & players) did not execute the plays, missed 3 field goals etc...
Anyway we still have a great shot at 9-3 or 8-4 which is still in line with the majority preseason thread picks.

So question is what's changed in regards to CBJ and the team? Were you lying to yourself and VN when you made your predictions? Just curious.

I'm sticking with CBJ and the team until the end of the season. I'll then make my ploy for whether he stays or should go. Not making an emotional decision because they played the worst game possible last week. Happens to everyone at some point. Win this week and we are back on track.

JMHO

Go Vols I'm behind you always and forever!

:loco:

Tennesseeduke
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I thought the team would be 7-5 or so and strongly believed that that type of record, in year 5, should mean Jones gets the boot. I also strongly believed that given who's in charge over there (administration and boosters) that Jones would keep his job at least through 2017.

All that said, I had no idea we'd be as bad as we've been and would look like such a poorly coached team. We know and have known for awhile now that Jones is clearly not the guy to lead this program to championships of any kind, there's no disputing that imo. But now it looks like the team and program is actually taking a step back and being damaged the longer Sgt Carter hangs around.

So you can get all high and mighty all you want and act like you've got a lot of posters on here in some type of gotcha moment, but I don't think that's the case at all.
 
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#73
To be quite frank, I only see 1 game that I count as a gimme and that is Southern Miss. KY looks better all the way around, SC is on the upswing, MIZZOU can score and the D can't stop anyone from scoring except for UMASS, Vandy has a decent D and looks like they can put up more points than UT can at this point.

That said, VOLS have looked mostly inept to this point. There have been some flashes, but many more WTF moments than positive moments at this point in time.
 
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KBVol said:
I thought the team would be 7-5 or so and strongly believed that that type of record, in year 5, should mean Jones gets the boot. I also strongly believed that given who's in charge over there (administration and boosters) that Jones would keep his job at least through 2017.

All that said, I had no idea we'd be as bad as we've been and would look like such a poorly coached team. We know and have known for awhile now that Jones is clearly not the guy to lead this program to championships of any kind, there's no disputing that imo. But now it looks like the team and program is actually taking a step back and being damaged the longer Sgt Carter hangs around.

So you can get all high and mighty all you want and act like you've got a lot of posters on here in some type of gotcha moment, but I don't think that's the case at all.
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So if we play lights out the rest of the season your still on board with current staff?

:)

Tennesseeduke
 
#75
#75
With all the analysis and grading of butch it can all be simply done by asking how close are we to Bama as a program after 5 years? Its obvious the distance has widened more than ever. Probably the biggest distance in our history. We have absolutely no chance in hell of beating them. NONE. And well be lucky to keep it within 40 points. THAT..is a huge indictment. The biggest and easiest way to gauge our progress under butch.
 
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