What's changed just curious?

#26
#26
Don't disagree with anything OP wrote but, prime reason for discontent, besides losing, is form. Slaughtered by GT in yardage, out played UF but lost on coaching blunders, anemic against UM, and no show vs UGA. If we took care of business quickly and got a lot of Frosh PT vs UM and UGA was a game, then venom wouldn't be as bad. So now, they are under the gun to show everyone they aren't the team we've seen displayed so far on the field.

This team has talent...if this team has Butch's back like they said against GT, they need to show it, starting this week.
 
#27
#27
Look at "how" we win and against who. Not that complicated. Look at how we lose also. A close Georgia game is one thing. What we saw on the field was a joke and not acceptable under any circumstances. We make scrub teams look great and fight for our lives to eek out a win. Play an actual quality team and get obliterated. It is about much more than a simple W / L column.
 
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#29
Just curious OP, have you watched any games this season?

Without question this is the ugliest Tennessee football has looked since 2012.

In year 5 why does the product on the field look as bad or worse than year 1?
 
#30
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This is actually a really good point. I predicted 8-4 too. However, I think we’ve seen a team that’s played really, really poorly. It’s unacceptable.

I really believe that IF Guarantano can pass better, this whole team could turn around. No offense and poor passing game has KILLED our whole season so far. Butch lost a lot of credibility by not pulling QD soon enough.
 
#31
#31
What is this crap? It's not the record that's the issue, it's what we have all witnessed on the field this season. We all knew coming into the season we would have growing pains and a lot of uncertainty. But we did not expect the team to regress to a level below a local prep school, nor appear to be coached by a bunch of jackasses. We have been demolished by a mediocre GT team, got sloppy wins over powerhouses Indiana State and UMass, lost a game at Florida due to some of the worst coaching in modern football history, and received our worst loss at home in more than a 100 years. So you tell me what has happened to our outlook on the team.
 
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What changed for me is after the Scar & Vandy loss last season, I'd convinced myself that those loses made an impact on CBJ to the point that he'd become better at his job, improve his staff, and somehow develop this team into a better squad than the talking heads were giving us credit for. But none of that happened. It was a continuation of the downward spiral that began last season. And I'd bet it will continue this weekend through Nov 25.

For the folks saying we'll go 9-3 or 8-4, I sincerely admire your outlook on life.
 
#34
#34
Crap, you guys refuse to actually use your heads. You cannot look at and total numbers and base your opinions.

It's not just that you win or lose, but HOW you win or lose.


Butch has shown that he can recruit, but not coach worth a damn on Saturday. Blowing leads the way he does, calling idiotic plays from the 6 inch line. Constantly under developing talent and depth. The guy just isn't fit to lead a top notch university.


Get off the "Butch is the coach and therefore always infallible" crack that you're on.
 
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People need to realize people were predicting 8-4. People didnt want to go 8-4. Just becuse they were predicting it, it doesn't mean they were okay with it.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I'm curious to hear VN's reason for the change from preseason expectation to now. Several threads conducted back in preseason had input on the record from 6-6 to 11-1 and the majority said 8-4 or better would be a good season because of what was lost and an unproven QB. Then we lose DKjr. 8-4 became more of the prediction.
The 4 losses that most predicted were GA, Bama, LSU and Fla. I said this was a 4 game season and depending on how we did in those 4 games would determine the record at the end of the year. My prediction was 2-2 in those 4 games. We should be 1-1 at this point and the Fla game should never have come down to the final play. The team (coaches & players) did not execute the plays, missed 3 field goals etc...
Anyway we still have a great shot at 9-3 or 8-4 which is still in line with the majority preseason thread picks.

So question is what's changed in regards to CBJ and the team? Were you lying to yourself and VN when you made your predictions? Just curious.

I'm sticking with CBJ and the team until the end of the season. I'll then make my ploy for whether he stays or should go. Not making an emotional decision because they played the worst game possible last week. Happens to everyone at some point. Win this week and we are back on track.

JMHO

Go Vols I'm behind you always and forever!

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Tennesseeduke
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Sometimes, you have to run out the clock to win. If it is another SEC team, you can live with that. Even Vanderbilt in the last 8 years. If it is another decent power 5 team? That's acceptable.

When it is UMass? Someone you paid six figures to do a one and done with? A team that is 0-6? We had to run out the clock to win this damn game. This is what I call a perception changing event that pretty much sucks every last shred of optimism from the mind of the most extreme positivity junkies.

This isn't an emotional decision. This is stone cold, wake up and smell the coffee reality. Forget the Georgia game, the week before was an omen of how bad the Vols asses would get kicked by a talented and motivated Georgia team. And that is why, even though I can admire your loyalty to the team, right now it seems an exercise in futility.
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I'm curious to hear VN's reason for the change from preseason expectation to now. Several threads conducted back in preseason had input on the record from 6-6 to 11-1 and the majority said 8-4 or better would be a good season because of what was lost and an unproven QB. Then we lose DKjr. 8-4 became more of the prediction.
The 4 losses that most predicted were GA, Bama, LSU and Fla. I said this was a 4 game season and depending on how we did in those 4 games would determine the record at the end of the year. My prediction was 2-2 in those 4 games. We should be 1-1 at this point and the Fla game should never have come down to the final play. The team (coaches & players) did not execute the plays, missed 3 field goals etc...
Anyway we still have a great shot at 9-3 or 8-4 which is still in line with the majority preseason thread picks.

So question is what's changed in regards to CBJ and the team? Were you lying to yourself and VN when you made your predictions? Just curious.

I'm sticking with CBJ and the team until the end of the season. I'll then make my ploy for whether he stays or should go. Not making an emotional decision because they played the worst game possible last week. Happens to everyone at some point. Win this week and we are back on track.

JMHO

Go Vols I'm behind you always and forever!

:loco:

Tennesseeduke
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I said win the east or he should be fired.

Year 5

His roster
His staff
No more excuses

If he can’t develop the talent that he recruited then that’s absolutely on him
 
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#38
Scott in the booth we are gona line up under center, Lyle receives the play says nope we r staying in the gun and throw it four times, the chart says too, I hope someone burns that thing when he's FIRED LMAO
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I'm curious to hear VN's reason for the change from preseason expectation to now. Several threads conducted back in preseason had input on the record from 6-6 to 11-1 and the majority said 8-4 or better would be a good season because of what was lost and an unproven QB. Then we lose DKjr. 8-4 became more of the prediction.
The 4 losses that most predicted were GA, Bama, LSU and Fla. I said this was a 4 game season and depending on how we did in those 4 games would determine the record at the end of the year. My prediction was 2-2 in those 4 games. We should be 1-1 at this point and the Fla game should never have come down to the final play. The team (coaches & players) did not execute the plays, missed 3 field goals etc...
Anyway we still have a great shot at 9-3 or 8-4 which is still in line with the majority preseason thread picks.

So question is what's changed in regards to CBJ and the team? Were you lying to yourself and VN when you made your predictions? Just curious.

I'm sticking with CBJ and the team until the end of the season. I'll then make my ploy for whether he stays or should go. Not making an emotional decision because they played the worst game possible last week. Happens to everyone at some point. Win this week and we are back on track.

JMHO

Go Vols I'm behind you always and forever!

:loco:

Tennesseeduke
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I was at 7-5. Which is something they can still end up with.

There is a lot more dysfunction on the team then I thought there would be at this point. The play and execution has not surprised me.

New QB and new inexperienced OC were reasons I felt the offense would struggle. The defense has actually been a little better than I anticipated..
 
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tvolsfan said:
1. When you play two good teams, 8-4 is ****ing awful.
2. Tennessee looks like **** this year and the coach is a laughingstock. It’s borderline sabotage if they let him come back next year.
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Did the schedule change on us after they first of the year?

Were you predicting a 1 or 2 loss season?

Or did you do like so many and fall for the negative blitz of CBJ bashing?
 
#42
#42
I think it's how we've played. If we had blown out UMass and then lost a close game to Georgia, I think the mood would be different around here
 
#43
#43
What's changed for me personally is I have went from honestly thinking in the off season that we would go 6-6 or possibly 7-5 to seriously believing we will be lucky to finish 4-8 after watching them play.
 
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#45
Let me explain my perspective OP. IMO, the players are responsible for how many games you win against equal or better talent. The coaches are responsible for putting them in positions to be successful against equal or better opponents, but more importantly, the coaching staff is responsible for making sure you win games when you face less talented opponents. Sure the shutout loss to Georgia was embarrassing, but they may prove to be much more talented as will Alabama. Preseason predictions are not based on how good you think the Vols will be, but rather how good you think each opponent will be. You really don't know how accurate those predictions are until you see them on the field. The reason I want a coaching change is because I have watched the Vols lose to 3 opponents with inferior talent in less than a year (USC, Vandy, Fla). I know the players have some responsibility, but the coaches are to blame.
 
#46
#46
Everyone was excited there was a QB coach. Then everyone realized the QB's are terrible and there has been almost ZERO player development (except for RB's) across the board..
 
#47
#47
If you can watch the UGA game and stomach and accept Tennessee’s performance, because “well, we were supposed to lose”, good on ya. If you can accept how good we let UMASS look, good on ya. If you can accept that the defense couldn’t routinely beat Indiana St to the edge, good on ya. If you can accept that Tennessee played the worst Florida team since pre Steve Spurrier and let them beat us, good on ya. Accepting dog s*** performances in year five of a program shows that you have no interest in winning, you just want the cliches and catchy third down songs. I’m not that guy. Life is qualitative more than quantitative. The losses don’t matter, how we’ve lost matters. How we’ve had to squeak by garbage teams matter.
 
#48
#48
"WHAT HAS CHANGED"
The wall is crumbling and we are Worse.
The line of scrimmage is being dominated by EVERYONE, including UMass.
No SACs
No Rushing Yardage
No Coaching
No Athleticism
No NO NO....Nothing has changed.

If you think nothing has changed, you need to brace yourself for the rest of October. Tape those ankles, you're in for a ride!! :crazy:
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I'm curious to hear VN's reason for the change from preseason expectation to now. Several threads conducted back in preseason had input on the record from 6-6 to 11-1 and the majority said 8-4 or better would be a good season because of what was lost and an unproven QB. Then we lose DKjr. 8-4 became more of the prediction.
The 4 losses that most predicted were GA, Bama, LSU and Fla. I said this was a 4 game season and depending on how we did in those 4 games would determine the record at the end of the year. My prediction was 2-2 in those 4 games. We should be 1-1 at this point and the Fla game should never have come down to the final play. The team (coaches & players) did not execute the plays, missed 3 field goals etc...
Anyway we still have a great shot at 9-3 or 8-4 which is still in line with the majority preseason thread picks.

So question is what's changed in regards to CBJ and the team? Were you lying to yourself and VN when you made your predictions? Just curious.

I'm sticking with CBJ and the team until the end of the season. I'll then make my ploy for whether he stays or should go. Not making an emotional decision because they played the worst game possible last week. Happens to everyone at some point. Win this week and we are back on track.

JMHO

Go Vols I'm behind you always and forever!

:loco:

Tennesseeduke
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This is exactly right!! Let the season play out!
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Okay I'm curious to hear VN's reason for the change from preseason expectation to now. Several threads conducted back in preseason had input on the record from 6-6 to 11-1 and the majority said 8-4 or better would be a good season because of what was lost and an unproven QB.

So question is what's changed in regards to CBJ and the team? Were you lying to yourself and VN when you made your predictions? Just curious.
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This is an excellent post. Pre-season, the Vols were predicted to have an off year. The Vols are a long-term 8 win team and supposed to be 3-2 at this point. They could have been 4-1 (beating FLA).

Now, I can't stand Butch. I think he is terrible. But it is interesting how surprised people are with the Vols performance when they were projected to be not very good.
 
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