40% Millennials Okay Limiting Free Speech

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Wafflestomper said:
Maybe you should reevaluate your sample size. All older generations seem to believe the younger ones are failures on some level.
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I would say the sample size is quite a lot once you talk to others in the same boat -- you will find a very common theme. There are exceptions but mostly are a waste of living tissue, I know several companies that won't even expand because well the talent pool isn't there. The cons outweigh the pros, and its easy to see why.

I mean there is lazy, than there lazy, and there is than ungrateful lazy. I would be very surprised, if most people over late 30s didn't agree.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I would say the sample size is quite a lot once you talk to others in the same boat -- you will find a very common theme. There are exceptions but mostly are a waste of living tissue, I know several companies that won't even expand because well the talent pool isn't there. The cons outweigh the pros, and its easy to see why.
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So you're saying others hold the same prejudices that you do? Color me shocked.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
So you're saying others hold the same prejudices that you do? Color me shocked.
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We are all judged, I don't even know what your statement even means. Sounds like someone hit the recorder during a stupid college course from some Social Acceptance class -- completely worthless in the real world. If you think people are not judged... you are in for one rude ass awakening, at some point.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
We are all judged, I don't even know what your statement even means. Sounds like someone hit the recorder during a stupid college course from some Social Acceptance class -- completely worthless in the real world.
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I can't help it if you don't understand plain english--you're not a millennial are you?
 
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Wafflestomper said:
I can't help it if you don't understand plain english--you're not a millennial are you?
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I understand English fairly well, I can't say I don't (or do:)) make grammar errors. Your statement doesn't make sense without context. It seemed more like a call similar to its NOT FAIR.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I would say the sample size is quite a lot once you talk to others in the same boat -- you will find a very common theme. There are exceptions but mostly are a waste of living tissue, I know several companies that won't even expand because well the talent pool isn't there. The cons outweigh the pros, and its easy to see why.

I mean there is lazy, than there lazy, and there is than ungrateful lazy. I would be very surprised, if most people over late 30s didn't agree.
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I have listened to one webinar after another regarding results from CFO/CEO surveys. Over and over they indicate their #1 concern is finding talent. They want to expand and they have ideas but finding qualified employees is getting harder. It doesn’t help that some 22 year old kid with a management degree thinks he should start off with direct reports and a p card.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I have listened to one webinar after another regarding results from CFO/CEO surveys. Over and over they indicate their #1 concern is finding talent. They want to expand and they have ideas but finding qualified employees is getting harder. It doesn’t help that some 22 year old kid with a management degree thinks he should start off with direct reports and a p card.
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Pretty much.

I have a friend at a medium size company (400 pl), they were looking for a person to perform Helpdesk/1st Level IT support. They hired this one guy out of college - he didn't know a damn thing, but that was okay, they were willing to help him along for a year or so. The first thing he wanted to know is how long before he got an office. Only about 30% of the people in the whole company has offices -- literally instead of learning he was more worried about getting something for nothing. He lasted 3 weeks. :)

They have gone through 3 others under 30... either socially awkward, lazy, or just incompetent to a degree to where you can't even train them. Everyone I have spoken with, eerily similar stories across the board.

I really don't think they are technical at all -- they know apps and phones, as far as real work or even medium/high level technical stuff - like a needle in a haystack.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
I understand English fairly well, I can't say I don't (or do:)) make grammar errors. Your statement doesn't make sense without context. It seemed more like a call similar to its NOT FAIR.
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Then you really misinterpreted it. Let me go look in some of my kids coloring books for a while to see if I can translate for you.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
Then you really misinterpreted it. Let me go look in some of my kids coloring books for a while to see if I can translate for you.
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You really aren't providing anything -- you look foolish. If deflecting is your thing, nothing I can do to stop you.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I have listened to one webinar after another regarding results from CFO/CEO surveys. Over and over they indicate their #1 concern is finding talent. They want to expand and they have ideas but finding qualified employees is getting harder. It doesn’t help that some 22 year old kid with a management degree thinks he should start off with direct reports and a p card.
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You've just pointed out one of the main issues without realizing it. These companies today are no different than these kids' parents. They don't want to invest the time and effort to make them better. 30-40 years ago, you had apprenticeship programs, vocational schools and companies that actually spent the time and money to invest in human capital. But nowadays, just like their parents, these companies want a finished product and don't want the inconvenience of actually having to put in the work to guide and mold young people... but they blame the millenials anyways.
 
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DancingOutlaw said:
I have listened to one webinar after another regarding results from CFO/CEO surveys. Over and over they indicate their #1 concern is finding talent. They want to expand and they have ideas but finding qualified employees is getting harder. It doesn’t help that some 22 year old kid with a management degree thinks he should start off with direct reports and a p card.
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That's a serious educational failure. We're churning out graduates who think that knowing anything about the actual process is unimportant that all they need to know is top down management - whether it's baking cookies or airplanes. Same with education - it's all about how to teach rather than mastering the subject matter.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You've just pointed out one of the main issues without realizing it. These companies today are no different than these kids' parents. They don't want to invest the time and effort to make them better. 30-40 years ago, you had apprenticeship programs, vocational schools and companies that actually spent the time and money to invest in human capital. But nowadays, just like their parents, these companies want a finished product and don't want the inconvenience of actually having to put in the work to guide and mold young people... but they blame the millenials anyways.
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That's not true in my experience. They want people to train but the person must be willing to put in the work (help themselves) and put in the effort, and not be social dotards -- and maybe appreciate just a little the amount of work it takes to get someone up to speed.

The coddling really just bites the employer back in the end.
 
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AM64 said:
That's a serious educational failure. We're churning out graduates who think that knowing anything about the actual process is unimportant that all they need to know is top down management - whether it's baking cookies or airplanes. Same with education - it's all about how to teach rather than mastering the subject matter.
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That is what has been pushed in business schools and by corporations over the last 30 years. Managers rarely come up throught the ranks anymore and learn the core competencies of their business. Instead, they pull people from unrelated business units to run things. Again, you blame the kids for not having any skills when the business paradigm in this country caters to people who run business units they don't understand.
 
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I've managed or owned various businesses for years. I've always found it a challenge to hire good people that fit in with the culture. People have always blamed it on the current generation. It ain't. It's that 95% of all applicants aren't the right fit.
 
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LSU-SIU said:
You really aren't providing anything -- you look foolish. If deflecting is your thing, nothing I can do to stop you.
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I'm saying there are ~80 million millenials in the U.S. and you've talked to a few people who have had a bad experience, so you label them (millenials) as mostly inept and think that's a reasonable position to hold.

I work with several idiots in their 50s, and know other people who have had the same experience. Is it reasonable for me to conclude that people in their 50s are mostly morons?
 
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Wafflestomper said:
I'm saying there are ~80 million millenials in the U.S. and you've talked to a few people who have had a bad experience, so you label them (millenials) as mostly inept and think that's a reasonable position to hold.

I work with several idiots in their 50s, and know other people who have had the same experience. Is it reasonable for me to conclude that people in their 50s are mostly morons?
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The vast majority of millennials are worthless. I know, I share the generation with them.
 
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Wafflestomper said:
I'm saying there are ~80 million millenials in the U.S. and you've talked to a few people who have had a bad experience, so you label them (millenials) as mostly inept and think that's a reasonable position to hold.

I work with several idiots in their 50s, and know other people who have had the same experience. Is it reasonable for me to conclude that people in their 50s are mostly morons?
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This is nothing new. Meaning, if you speak to real people everyday in the business world, the same theme comes up over and over. The talk the last few years is really about not expanding based on the obvious. Its better not to expand and not take the chance with these guys.

You're opinion that people over 50 are morons as a generalized statement could also be somewhat true - I am not a part of that group either but getting close. :) I can't say I agree but that is okay.

I would say people are generally lazy, the old people are tired of working, the younger people are just lazy -- the middle of the road people are doing the lifting as of right now. imo

Businesses are having to pay up for the late 30s to late 50s crowd... keep the good ones... don't employee the noobs, just isn't worth it -- generally. If you speak with business managers this is nothing new, very common themes will show their face with the only real solution is pay up for the good people, don't expand and don't hire the present new group.
 
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volfanhill said:
I employee hundreds of them. They are not any more lazy then the previous group. They do have different motivations though.
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Collectively they are. Some individuals stand out. I work with a guy who is almost 50. That guy needs to just go. He’s the worst person I work with, so ****ing lazy. But he’s not like the other older guys. The younger guys? A couple are great, most are worthless.
 
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