Why the negativity about our chances of hiring a great coach?

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DaUndergroundMan said:
You do realize the vols are the richest SEC team. In 2015 we were 3rd in the nation with football generated revenue at 121 million. Only Texas and Notre dame were higher (hint, schools with their own network).

Check last years....

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The problem is we just dont invest in football like other programs do, even ones who make less money, like Bama. They spend twice what we do while making less. Look close and you see a direct and convincing correlation between $$$ spent and success on the field. Our AD gets fat off fans and throws us table scraps.
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The discrepancy between what UT football takes in and what UT football spends should be front page on the Knox News Sentinal.
 
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November Blue said:
How could the Fulmer firing have been handled better? And how does that impact us now?
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Let me run you through an exercise how this works.

1 Butch gets fired
2 PattersonPetersonStoopsMeyerKelly (PPSMK) all have Butch's number on their phone in a favorites list called "coaches at big schools" and give him a call
3 Butch describes the landscape here with the fan base (negative, impatient, unrealistic expectations, hateful) and says he wishes he'd listened to Dooley when he talked to him five years ago (who said he wished he'd listened to Kiffin)
4 PPSMK, having been there and done that, withdraw interest

These people know each other, talk to each other, and with occasional exception, are fond of each other. They are honest with each other.

VolNation can't name one coach who carried a major reputation to a new school where that school and its fans had run the previous coach in the ground. I predict it won't be different with us this time.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Let me run you through an exercise how this works.

1 Butch gets fired
2 PattersonPetersonStoopsMeyerKelly (PPSMK) all have Butch's number on their phone in a favorites list called "coaches at big schools" and give him a call
3 Butch describes the landscape here with the fan base (negative, impatient, unrealistic expectations, hateful) and says he wishes he'd listened to Dooley when he talked to him five years ago (who said he wished he'd listened to Kiffin)
4 PPSMK, having been there and done that, withdraw interest

These people know each other, talk to each other, and with occasional exception, are fond of each other. They are honest with each other.

VolNation can't name one coach who carried a major reputation to a new school where that school and its fans had run the previous coach in the ground. I predict it won't be different with us this time.
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This happens literally everywhere. Alabama fans do it. Auburn fans. Texas fans. Michigan fans.

What actually happens is that the most successful coaches are arrogant. They talk to each other about how they can't believe Coach X is at this program with these resources and he is failing miserably. They talk about how they would win with those resources. They are confident they can do it better than the prior person.

This is a job, a very high paying one. Competitive people rise to the top. Confident people rise to the top. People who care about fans hurting their feelings never make it to this level.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
This happens literally everywhere. Alabama fans do it. Auburn fans. Texas fans. Michigan fans.

What actually happens is that the most successful coaches are arrogant. They talk to each other about how they can't believe Coach X is at this program with these resources and he is failing miserably. They talk about how they would win with those resources. They are confident they can do it better than the prior person.

This is a job, a very high paying one. Competitive people rise to the top. Confident people rise to the top. People who care about fans hurting their feelings never make it to this level.
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Then why did we end up with KiffinDooleyJones?
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
Then why did we end up with KiffinDooleyJones?
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Kiffin was the 1st choice. He was the hottest coach that year and turned down other offers to come here. He was the top coordinator for the USC juggernaut and had NFL HC experience. Because it ended poorly doesn't mean it wasn't the hire we wanted.

Dooley was a direct result of Kiffin leaving how he did and the BoT wanting someone who was the direct opposite in personality of Kiffin. Plus there was an NCAA cloud around when Kiffin left.

Jones is the result of Dooley's depletion of the roster and failing to finalize Gruden and Charlie Strong backing out of the job at the last minute when Louisville dropped a load of money on him.

None of them were because fans are mean.
 
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ACvol3 said:
It's crazy to me that this is the popular topic in the middle of the season..and we've only lost 2 games.. ppl act like it's a fore-gone conclusion that butch is gone. He's not even gone yet
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It is his body of work. Year 5 junior/senior players don’t look like they’ve been in this program but for maybe 2. His in game play calling...how he wins how he loses....how bad he has our football program looking from a team image and his media appearances....you know...his inept coaching and moronic national image.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Kiffin was the 1st choice. He was the hottest coach that year and turned down other offers to come here. He was the top coordinator for the USC juggernaut and had NFL HC experience. Because it ended poorly doesn't mean it wasn't the hire we wanted.

Dooley was a direct result of Kiffin leaving how he did and the BoT wanting someone who was the direct opposite in personality of Kiffin. Plus there was an NCAA cloud around when Kiffin left.

Jones is the result of Dooley's depletion of the roster and failing to finalize Gruden and Charlie Strong backing out of the job at the last minute when Louisville dropped a load of money on him.

None of them were because fans are mean.
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You are telling me Kiffin was our first choice? His head coaching record was 5-15 at the time. I don't doubt you. It's just worse than I thought.
 
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wmcovol said:
Worst thing the University of Tennessee does is hire people. They are horrible at it.

Proof: Mike Hamilton, Davy Hart, Lame Kiffin, Derek Doolfus, Donnie Criminal, Cuongo Martin and Daffy Davenport. You couldn't hit this many losers if you really tried to hire the wrong person
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Is this supposed to be witty?
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Kiffin was the 1st choice. He was the hottest coach that year and turned down other offers to come here. He was the top coordinator for the USC juggernaut and had NFL HC experience. Because it ended poorly doesn't mean it wasn't the hire we wanted.

Dooley was a direct result of Kiffin leaving how he did and the BoT wanting someone who was the direct opposite in personality of Kiffin. Plus there was an NCAA cloud around when Kiffin left.

Jones is the result of Dooley's depletion of the roster and failing to finalize Gruden and Charlie Strong backing out of the job at the last minute when Louisville dropped a load of money on him.

None of them were because fans are mean.
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Exactly right about kiffin
And don't tell all the butch lovers about fans being mean
They believe that's all thats standing between now and dominance
 
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ru4real-really? said:
Look--we made 80 million profit

Alabama made less than 50 million profit from about the same income as Tenn

How smart does Currie have to be?????.
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All of our money is spoken for:

University of Tennessee Athletics

Two big things: UTAD does not get external funding from the state or the academic departments, and a big chunk of the budget is debt service from Hamilton. I'm not entirely certain but I believe all of the reserve payments are accounted for in the Neyland Reserve and Other Expenses.

Now consider what could be possible if that debt service is more like $5 million.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
You are telling me Kiffin was our first choice? His head coaching record was 5-15 at the time. I don't doubt you. It's just worse than I thought.
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Yes, the Raiders were seen as an unwinnable situation because Al Davis was insane.Also, NFL results being poor have almost no bearing on college success. We've seen it with Saban, Spurrier, Chip Kelly and tons of others.

He was the top choice for every top opening that year due to his work at the USC dynasty and his ability to deliver a staff with his father as the DC.

Kiffin even compromised and took less money to pay his assistants top dollar. A common theme in hires here and a sticking point, along with a few others that prevented Gruden's hire here.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Yes, the Raiders were seen as an unwinnable situation because Al Davis was insane.Also, NFL results being poor have almost no bearing on college success. We've seen it with Saban, Spurrier, Chip Kelly and tons of others.

He was the top choice for every top opening that year due to his work at the USC dynasty and his ability to deliver a staff with his father as the DC.

Kiffin even compromised and took less money to pay his assistants top dollar. A common theme in hires here and a sticking point, along with a few others that prevented Gruden's hire here.
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Maybe we should offer him again?
 
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knucklehead_vol said:
No. Not this time. Peyton is doing what he needs to do. We didn't have him last time, or the time before. I think we'll all be happy with the outcome.
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PM will push JBC to the forefront. Find the video by Ian Rappaport in the ESPN archives. In other words, who left the Colts and went to Denver at the same time as PM and for what reason. Repeatedly, starting as a freshman in college PM spent a great deal of time studying film. Preparation was one of his greatest assets.
 
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OrangeSoddyDaisy said:
You are telling me Kiffin was our first choice? His head coaching record was 5-15 at the time. I don't doubt you. It's just worse than I thought.
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Hamilton was convinced that by hiring Kiffin he was hiring the NWO. Daddy, The Ogre and crew were supposed to be the sexy antidote to the way Saban and Meyer did things.

NWO for life baby, or until Southern Cal called.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
Kiffin was the 1st choice. He was the hottest coach that year and turned down other offers to come here. He was the top coordinator for the USC juggernaut and had NFL HC experience. Because it ended poorly doesn't mean it wasn't the hire we wanted.

Dooley was a direct result of Kiffin leaving how he did and the BoT wanting someone who was the direct opposite in personality of Kiffin. Plus there was an NCAA cloud around when Kiffin left.

Jones is the result of Dooley's depletion of the roster and failing to finalize Gruden and Charlie Strong backing out of the job at the last minute when Louisville dropped a load of money on him.

None of them were because fans are mean.
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I don't recall Kiffin being viewed as the hottest coach. I remember Cutcliffe, Muschamp and others being discussed a lot before Kiffin's name even came up. Saying that he was the best one we could get is a lot different than saying he was the best available. What other schools did he turn down to come to Tennessee?
 
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Hacksaw said:
I don't recall Kiffin being viewed as the hottest coach. I remember Cutcliffe, Muschamp and others being discussed a lot before Kiffin's name even came up. Saying that he was the best one we could get is a lot different than saying he was the best available. What other schools did he turn down to come to Tennessee?
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When you heard Kiffins name it was already done.

Cut wasn't following Phil.
 
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lonelawyer said:
Hamilton was convinced that by hiring Kiffin he was hiring the NWO. Daddy, The Ogre and crew were supposed to be the sexy antidote to the way Saban and Meyer did things.

NWO for life baby, or until Southern Cal called.
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The staff was the sell moreso than Lane.
 
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Hacksaw said:
That's my recollection. I remember a lot of fans, myself included, were very concerned about Kiffin. But we were thrilled to get his dad.
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With that roster I thought they did a good job for year 1.

The rest as they say is history.
 
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Hacksaw said:
I don't recall Kiffin being viewed as the hottest coach. I remember Cutcliffe, Muschamp and others being discussed a lot before Kiffin's name even came up. Saying that he was the best one we could get is a lot different than saying he was the best available. What other schools did he turn down to come to Tennessee?
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Kiffin was not a hot name for HBC in college at all. He went after the UT job all out similar to what he did with Florida Atlantic last year. Kiffin sold Hamilton a bill of goods and Hammy wanted the opposite of Phil - a brash young punk who did seal the deal with his daddy coming along. It blew up in Hambone's face quite soon as the punk had no loyalty whatsoever to the guy that gave him an unmerited big chance. Kiffin pursued the USC job via back channels and once hired tried to hijack the Vol recruiting class. Quit peddling this Kiffin fetish nonsense - Hamilton dug an immense hole in a top quality SEC program by hiring trash. The initial class of thugs and thieves Kiffin recruited hurt Dooley immensely. Kiffin was not a hot coaching prospect any way, shape or form when Hambone hired him - just as he is not now.
 
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