John Currie possibly has already lost faith from the boosters?

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Currie is in the position where he has to extend Jones or fire him.

Jones had complete control of that decision when the season started as he should have. Since then Jones has made that decision very easy for Currie. To the point, I think the decision has already been made. Having said that, Id personally liked to have seen it made public 2 days ago. Name an interim and allow the players to finish the year without the distraction of wondering what is gonna happen. However, Currie has to have a pretty darn good idea what his options are before he opens that can worms. I imagine if he doesn't already he will know in short order.
 
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And Currie would be hammered for firing a coach with a 3-2 record after improving the w/l record over the 1st 4 years. Butch has been given a rope and Currie's waiting for him to actually hang himself.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I believe a decision has been made behind closed doors, give it time and lets see what's going to happen. The first move Currie needs to make is get the Haslam family far far far away from Knoxville
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I agree the decision has be made or at least is in the process of being made. To me, for the most part, contract extensions are as much to help with recruiting and staff hires as anything.

Now I don't agree with you about the Haslam family being away from UT. They do many things (big money things) that have nothing to do with football.
 
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vols1707 said:
One of the talking heads on Sec network right before the start of the season.

Granted it could be a Jimmy Sexton paid plug?
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If they were willing to re-up you don't wait. You go 8-4 again and your leverage is lessened.

Currie wasn't hitching to that wagon yet. Good call on his end. Earn your extension or earn your buyout.
 
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vols1707 said:
Here is something that I am concerned with the non-action being a deeper issue. The worst thing for Tennessee right now is not firing a coach that's incompetent at his job and now being shot full of holes in every word he speaks by the national media.
This is damaging the Tennessee brand and Turing the university into a laughing stock of college football because of one man Butch Jones. What could be a possible reason for the non-action from John Currie? The reason to let one coach damage your brand and not take action that makes the most sense is scary for a bigger picture for Tennessee.
Butch wanted to get an extension as soon as Currie was hired. Currie didn't do it said he wanted to take a look at things and then make a decision. So...
1. What did Currie see that made him have confidence in Butch Jones? (Looking back from 2015 Butch Jones blew game, after game with bad coaching decisions) players were in positions to win games then lost with bad timeouts, not calling a timeout, 3&outs with no run plays with leads in games. Going for 2, not going for 2. You name it Butch Jones made the mistake. And the biggest concern in 2015 season is he never learned from those mistakes. Had double digit leads in 4th quarter of every game.
2. Move on to the 2016 season. Early season despite games Tennessee should have won by 2-3 touchdowns based on talent. Players were missused, not used, bad play calling, predictable play calling, not using timeouts, using timeouts at wrong times, not going for 2 when you should. Yes exact same issues from 2015 makes same calls not learning from his mistakes.

So Currie looks at the program under Jones. All of these mistakes Butch continues to make are there on tape. Everyone knows you can't hide from your tape.

So after seeing the tape (Currie has not been here to watch first hand the level of incompetence from Butch Jones) He decides he wants to give Butch Jones an extension!!! For what reason after reviewing Butch Jones tape?? So with that head scratching decision to give him an extension as a new AD, who everyone was waiting on to get here to do one thing.... FIRE BUTCH JONES and bring in "his" guy. Then as AD John Currie has to go to the boosters and talk them into an extension for Butch Jones.
Now here we are just a few months later. And he is needing to talk them into firing, just a few months after talking them into extension.
Very concerning on a couple levels. One that would cause major problems with trust in Currie with the boosters.

And most concerning for us as fans. He saw the tape on Butch Jones and offered and EXTENSION to him this year. I don't have absolute faith in John Currie to even hire the right guy based on this. Hopeful it's taken out of his hands, with a search committee or someone else do it for him. Either way this likely scenario could explain what's going on right now with the lack of action at Tennessee.

Hopefully Tennessee makes the right moves here but based on actions from John Currie. I am worrried about the direction, and the decision making from the AD office once again.
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If Currie lets the media and this and other message boards to influence his decisions, then the University made a terrible mistake in hiring him. If he does his homework and weighs the pros and cons, his decision will be one with which I and, hopefully most Tennessee fans, will except. Our teams is on schedule compared to preseason predictions. I know the play, especially on offense, has been less than expected, especially the play at the QB position. The success of the season will be determined on how well the offense comes around. We have a good chance of winning the rest of the games except Alabama. A 9-3 record wth maybe a bowl win will result in a 10-3 season and most Tennessee fan should be very pleased with the season if that happens. In addition, even a 9-4 season would keep our recruiting class and build for the future. Now is not the time for so-called fans to demand for immediate change in coaches or the AD. Put on your big-boy britches and wait for the season to play out. Haste makes waste and we do not need to start the same old process of tearing down our football program and starting over, especially in the middle of a season.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I believe a decision has been made behind closed doors, give it time and lets see what's going to happen. The first move Currie needs to make is get the Haslam family far far far away from Knoxville
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That would cost more than paying Butch's buyout a few times.
 
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I think Butch can salvage his job if he wins every game left that isn't Alabama. That would be 8 and 4 then some bowl game. I think another loss to anyone else on the schedule except Bama will be the end of Butch. So expect a lot of winning from here on in or goodbye Butch.
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
And Currie would be hammered for firing a coach with a 3-2 record after improving the w/l record over the 1st 4 years. Butch has been given a rope and Currie's waiting for him to actually hang himself.
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Not really.

0-2 in the conference (more less out of the east 2 games in) and his team is playing poor enough football that UMass was one play away and a 2nd year HFC just left tread marks on his face.

Jones done pulled the handle.
 
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Take a deep breath.....


Although the silence from the AD is "deafening", I understand why. Again, no inside info, just thinking it through, it makes sense to sit quiet and let things play out. Lots of moving parts here. Making a firm decision to fire or retain for another season; lining up the boosters; lining up the money; evaluating possible new HC's; narrowing the field to an interviewable number of candidates; quiet inquiries; etc, etc, etc.


As for the "brand", losing recruits, and all that...yes, it stinks, but make the right hire and the recruiting will recover, as will the brand. This year's media goat is only one smart hire away from being next year's Cinderella. That's how fast things move these days.


I'd much rather suffer through a quiet, deliberate, and ultimately wise move rather than get a quick fix that ends up being another issue to resolve 3 or 4 years down the road.


Go Vols.
 
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savannahfan said:
I agree the decision has be made or at least is in the process of being made. To me, for the most part, contract extensions are as much to help with recruiting and staff hires as anything.

Now I don't agree with you about the Haslam family being away from UT. They do many things (big money things) that have nothing to do with football.
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A few favorite son's of Tennessee are the driving force to move the Haslam's aside. Butch won't be here next year, period. No extension or raise was given by Currie, Butch saw the writing on the wall and fired Trace Armstrong and hired Jimmy Sexton. Long story short he's job shopping
 
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BeecherVol said:
Not really.

0-2 in the conference (more less out of the east 2 games in) and his team is playing poor enough football that UMass was one play away and a 2nd year HFC just left tread marks on his face.

Jones done pulled the handle.
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Currie isn't firing Butch on the expected w/l record. He'll actually have to to lose to USCe, KY, Southern Miss, Vandy, or Missouri or now probably a bad LSU.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
I think Butch can salvage his job if he wins every game left that isn't Alabama. That would be 8 and 4 then some bowl game. I think another loss to anyone else on the schedule except Bama will be the end of Butch. So expect a lot of winning from here on in or goodbye Butch.
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That would be 9-3 not 8-4. I will be pulling for the VOLS, but I am not holding my breath on 9-3 or 8-4. GBO!!!!
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
Currie isn't firing Butch on the expected w/l record. He'll actually have to to loose to USCe, KY, Southern Miss, Vandy, or Missouri or now probably a bad LSU.
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Thats interesting. You have a quote for that? Be better to cut out the internet chase.
 
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volfan_28 said:
You'e wasting your life by thinking about all of this waaay to much. I'm also interested in the situation, but do yourself a favor and stop guessing about what goes on behind the scenes. Reading tea leaves to figure out if the boosters trust John is a waste.
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Truth
 
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I actually agree with the idea he's not firing Jones on media predicted W/L records.

His team in year 5 wouldn't beat his team from year 2.
 
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jhamilton1208 said:
I was scratching my head wondering the same thing. I didn't think that Butch got an extension. He wanted one, didn't get it and then fired his agent and hired Jimmy Sexton if I remember correctly.
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He hired Sexton b/c he knows his time is short.
 
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vols1707 said:
Bored at work and like I said just a thought.

Tennessee is becoming a punchline and the brand is being damaged really bad right now with a target like Butch Jones there.

Seems there could be a bigger issue going on why Tennessee is ok with damaging the brand this badly( loosing money)
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They started training under hart. Just think of the damage he did: bad decisions/lost law suits, that left us open for a money grab that was settled to save money and will forever tarnish our reputation (they're guilty, they're guilty!), managed to irk (being nice) a lot of people unnecessarily. And were his hires really that strong? Left us wide open for mediocrity and to be the butt of media jokes, lost a lot of good will that had been accumulated for decades. Currie came into a mess. Just a lot of it was not open. Not sure Currie was the best choice and very concerned about Davenport. Come on, a hypocrite at best. Using the same standards she required to hire an AD, she was unqualified for the position she holds. Love football, but the Chancellor is a slightly more important position. You would think the standards to hold the job would at least be as high as to be AD, certainly not lower. That said, they're ours now. Get ready for a ride and hope the two of them can handle the reins.

And don't hold out hope of the big booster/BOT. They paid the last two ADs and last Chancellor to leave; you can pretty it up any way you want. Remember the two Presidents before Joe had to come back from retirement to clean up the mess? The mishandling of Fulmer and Pearl situations? And of course our all time fav hire...Donnie Dough Boy (OK that may be wrong, I forgot Dools - did he show us up as a bunch of incompetent idiots or what? He couldn't coach, but he could sure write a contract!)? Just leaves me oozing confidence in that bunch.

OK, rant over.

Bottom line - Beat Vandy! (too scared to make wishes over SC and KY.)
 
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Thunder Good-Oil said:
And Currie would be hammered for firing a coach with a 3-2 record after improving the w/l record over the 1st 4 years. Butch has been given a rope and Currie's waiting for him to actually hang himself.
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Overall W/L shouldn't matter with Butch in this case. He's technically improved year after year in his first 3 but plateaued and took a step back last year with a 4-4 league record.

Obviously, looking at W/L shows improvement, but I would say the 2015 losses to OU,UF, and Arky and 2016 losses to USC and Vandy have literally wiped away any notion that he has brought us back to winning.

Also, he has a big track record of playing down to competition. We have been lucky so far, but he's definitely trending down. Major warning sign.


Look as his league record and record vs ranked teams and rivals.

He has 3 wins vs our 3 rivals in 14 games. That is horrible.
 
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