Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[volatil]

Dude filling in for Finebaum just said Florida has more talent than Tennessee.



Really??????

 

[Vfl2407]

Here we go...you honestly think OU won't give him a raise if he does well this year? If he flounders in the conference, then we don't want him.

He won't jump to an SEC school where he can play spread football and beat people 60-40. Our fanbase is so unrealistic.

Ok.
Changed my mind.
Payton
Payton
Payton
*(The ROCK artist - not the football star - with an "E").
She could draw up some awesome plays. :clapping::crazy:lol:hmy::hi::dance2::thud:

 

[Aesius]

Dude filling in for Finebaum just said Florida has more talent than Tennessee.



Really??????

2013 called, it wants its facts back.

 

[RikidyBones]

Dude filling in for Finebaum just said Florida has more talent than Tennessee.



Really??????

This'll be fun to watch when we beat they ass.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I absolutely share your fear that the administration could botch another coaching search. I, personally, don't have my eyes on guys like Chip Kelly or Jon Gruden because, as you mentioned, Tennessee has never been a program that spends top dollar on New head coaches. However, I don't share your whole idea that there would not be a better realistic option out there. There are plenty of coaching candidates who can win here that aren't going to demand $10M a year.

Also, if I accepted your feeling that Tennessee could go 8-4, 8-4, 7-5 in consecutive years and that it would be fine, I would have a hard time feeling excited to support the program. We're better than that and should demand results better than that. I would never deny that Coach Jones has made progress from where this program was when he took the job. But it's important to remember this program as a whole is not the Derek Dooley era. That was our rock bottom. Not the norm. To say Coach Jones dug us out of that pit is accurate - but it is not accurate to say he (given at 7-5 year this year) reached the point that should be demanded as a minimum level achievement in a coach's 5th year at a Top 10 program all time.

I'm rooting for Butch to succeed because his success is the University of Tennessee's success. My only problem is with the sunshine pumpers who cannot seem to acknowledge that we are not where we need to be yet and it is NOT a forgone conclusion that we will get there under the current coaching staff. The only way we get this program back to a consistent contender is if the fan base demands it. And I cannot tolerate or agree with people who think 7-5 is ever acceptable here. If the majority of our fan base starts to accept that then we have no hope.

This is exactly how I feel 100%. Couldn't have said it any better.

 

[TheHound]

This'll be fun to watch when we beat they azz.

Fyp

 

[Crazy Ivan]

what has palmer showed u in these past two games?..he got some separation on some throws but it was Indiana state..i just want to see how he do against a legit sec defense..thats the only way I can judge the kid..Brandon is the real deal..he is leading the team and catches and targets to me it shows me that him and dormady has good chemistry..it just a matter of time before Brandon has his breakout game

I like Brandon a lot. But I like Palmer a lot as well, and he was getting behind the T and ISU DBs easily. No doubt it will get more difficult starting with the gators, but Palmer, and Callaway both, are very smooth and fluid in their route-running, so I do expect to see them win plenty of their battles with the UF secondary and provide some good targets for Dormady. What I have liked about Brandon is his ability to get open within 15 yards of the LOS, which makes him the perfect possession receiver, the guy QD will look for on 3rd and 5-15 yds to keep the chains moving, especially with JJ out. That's not to say he might not be a downfield threat as well, only that I have noticed him getting open a lot on the short and medium range throws. He still needs polishing though; he had a couple of drops in the GT game, and he also ran at least one crossing route too short by flattening the route out and cost UT a critical 1st down in the 2nd qtr of the GT game when we desperately needed to keep the ball and give our defense a rest. He did look better against ISU, but as you said about Palmer, it was only ISU. But I do expect a lot from Brandon.

 

[VolGee4]

5th in the SEC is still at worst a top 15 job.

...and name me 15 elite college football coaches.

 

[LaagerVol]

I absolutely share your fear that the administration could botch another coaching search. I, personally, don't have my eyes on guys like Chip Kelly or Jon Gruden because, as you mentioned, Tennessee has never been a program that spends top dollar on New head coaches. However, I don't share your whole idea that there would not be a better realistic option out there. There are plenty of coaching candidates who can win here that aren't going to demand $10M a year.

Also, if I accepted your feeling that Tennessee could go 8-4, 8-4, 7-5 in consecutive years and that it would be fine, I would have a hard time feeling excited to support the program. We're better than that and should demand results better than that. I would never deny that Coach Jones has made progress from where this program was when he took the job. But it's important to remember this program as a whole is not the Derek Dooley era. That was our rock bottom. Not the norm. To say Coach Jones dug us out of that pit is accurate - but it is not accurate to say he (given at 7-5 year this year) reached the point that should be demanded as a minimum level achievement in a coach's 5th year at a Top 10 program all time.

I'm rooting for Butch to succeed because his success is the University of Tennessee's success. My only problem is with the sunshine pumpers who cannot seem to acknowledge that we are not where we need to be yet and it is NOT a forgone conclusion that we will get there under the current coaching staff. The only way we get this program back to a consistent contender is if the fan base demands it. And I cannot tolerate or agree with people who think 7-5 is ever acceptable here. If the majority of our fan base starts to accept that then we have no hope.

Literally not ONE SINGLE PERSON on this site thinks we are where we need to be. Very few if ANY are certain that Butch can get us there. NO Vol fan ever is "ok" with 7-5 and 8-4 seasons.

The difference that you and some others obviously can't comprehend is that it isn't a black and white issue. There are extenuating circumstances. If we bomb this year most will be ready for a change. But, again, the difference is most reasonable people haven't already assumed that it's a foregone conclusion that we suck and have already gone 5-7. Reasonable people let things play out before jumping up and down screaming.

 

[VolBalla2014]

This is the most hilarious thing on the plant. You almost lose the opener to hide a defense right?

You think our defense only has 4 blitz packages in it?

 

[LaagerVol]

You think our defense only has 4 blitz packages in it?

I think he is saying it's dumb for the coaches to risk losing a game in the name of "hiding" some plays/schemes from future opponents.

 

[Vfl2407]

You think our defense only has 4 blitz packages in it?

No way.
And, I also know that our Ginger has been holding back.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ojfDM6lMoZM

 

[Kingston Vol]

Literally not ONE SINGLE PERSON on this site thinks we are where we need to be. Very few if ANY are certain that Butch can get us there. NO Vol fan ever is "ok" with 7-5 and 8-4 seasons.

The difference that you and some others obviously can't comprehend is that it isn't a black and white issue. There are extenuating circumstances. If we bomb this year most will be ready for a change. But, again, the difference is most reasonable people haven't already assumed that it's a foregone conclusion that we suck and have already gone 5-7. Reasonable people let things play out before jumping up and down screaming.

This all started when everyone was asked to predict the record on the season. I said 7-5 so suddenly I'm the negaVol idiot who has no idea what's going on and need to go root for another team. Anyone who voices an opinion that isn't "we gon win by 30 theygonlearn" is scum. And then the debate gets fired up again.

 

[Nashvegas31]

Crazy part about Butch is he is 2 plays away from having a 2 game win streak can florida and 3 game win streak over UGA. Yet some nationally act like we are so far away from being where we want to be.

 

[Bassmaster_Vol]

Crazy part about Butch is he is 2 plays away from having a 2 game win streak can florida and 3 game win streak over UGA. Yet some nationally act like we are so far away from being where we want to be.

Sallee said before the season that we would get blown out by Florida and Ga. Now all the sudden he's picking TN though surprisingly

 

[AAVFL]

No way.
And, I also know that our Ginger has been holding back.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ojfDM6lMoZM

I'm for holding back this year. ISU we could probably beat with walk ons. And GA tech isn't in our conference. Yeah it would be a punch in the face but I think Butch knows he needs to win the east. Play basic defense for those two games then unleash hell on the sec.

 

[Catbone]

Who would be interested bone? Name me anyone that would be interested that would be an upgrade and then tell me Tennessee would actually pay a big salary....lol not happening

You're right about the pay. We historically don't hire big names!

 

[VolBalla2014]

Sounds about right. I feel like if Jones went 6-6 most of the buffoons on here would say we should keep him because he's done such a better job than Doofus. They don't settle in Gainsville like idiot fans up here do.

Not even close. You're reaching

 

[LaagerVol]

This all started when everyone was asked to predict the record on the season. I said 7-5 so suddenly I'm the negaVol idiot who has no idea what's going on and need to go root for another team. Anyone who voices an opinion that isn't "we gon win by 30 theygonlearn" is scum. And then the debate gets fired up again.

I don't think it's unreasonable to think 7-5. I don't think that opinion gets you labeled anything. When you start getting into the replacing the coach discussion at 2-0 that might get you labeled. Not even that, but refusing to acknowledge that he didn't exactly start out with a good team, talking up McElwain and Kirby, comparing their records, which are COMPLETELY different circumstances, defending the gators while trashing the VOLS, that might get you labeled.

Now, some of the stuff I've said in this post may be more true of codknocker boy than you, but you two seem to have aligned yourselves together.... which also might get you labeled 😂

 

[JacketVol]

6-6 would for sure. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying even after this year, if you give Tennessee 8 wins and Florida 6, McElwain would STILL have a better winning percentage than Butch and would lose his job.

Larger point: Florida will not tolerate anything other than excellence. Tennessee has proven it will.

Maybe because recruiting has been so bad under him. He won with a full board of talent on the D side of the ball left for him. They see the team has fallen off talent wise under his direction. CBJ has improved our depth and talent instead of going the opposite direction. Of course, the opposite direction would have meant we folded the football program.

 

[VolBalla2014]

They don't get it

You realize Butch beat both of those coaches last year, right?

 

[Chief Vol 13]

...and name me 15 elite college football coaches.

I'd be willing to bet that there are 15 coaches out there who could do a better job at Tennessee than Butch.

 

[Chuckie]

I absolutely share your fear that the administration could botch another coaching search. I, personally, don't have my eyes on guys like Chip Kelly or Jon Gruden because, as you mentioned, Tennessee has never been a program that spends top dollar on New head coaches. However, I don't share your whole idea that there would not be a better realistic option out there. There are plenty of coaching candidates who can win here that aren't going to demand $10M a year.

Also, if I accepted your feeling that Tennessee could go 8-4, 8-4, 7-5 in consecutive years and that it would be fine, I would have a hard time feeling excited to support the program. We're better than that and should demand results better than that. I would never deny that Coach Jones has made progress from where this program was when he took the job. But it's important to remember this program as a whole is not the Derek Dooley era. That was our rock bottom. Not the norm. To say Coach Jones dug us out of that pit is accurate - but it is not accurate to say he (given at 7-5 year this year) reached the point that should be demanded as a minimum level achievement in a coach's 5th year at a Top 10 program all time.

I'm rooting for Butch to succeed because his success is the University of Tennessee's success. My only problem is with the sunshine pumpers who cannot seem to acknowledge that we are not where we need to be yet and it is NOT a forgone conclusion that we will get there under the current coaching staff. The only way we get this program back to a consistent contender is if the fan base demands it. And I cannot tolerate or agree with people who think 7-5 is ever acceptable here. If the majority of our fan base starts to accept that then we have no hope.

But part of my point is that the UT administration doesn't give two sh!ts about what "the majority of our fan base starts to accept." It's going to take a long time before apathy reaches the level that will provoke any sort of reaction by the UT admin.

Like I said, let's call an Omaha for the moment. As many have pointed out, it's Florida week and reason to believe that we might get our first win in Gainesville since before the iPhone existed.

 

[Chief Vol 13]

I don't think it's unreasonable to think 7-5. I don't think that opinion gets you labeled anything. When you start getting into the replacing the coach discussion at 2-0 that might get you labeled. Not even that, but refusing to acknowledge that he didn't exactly start out with a good team, talking up McElwain and Kirby, comparing their records, which are COMPLETELY different circumstances, defending the gators while trashing the VOLS, that might get you labeled.

Now, some of the stuff I've said in this post may be more true of codknocker boy than you, but you two seem to have aligned yourselves together.... which also might get you labeled 😂

Easy now on that last part. I ain't no *****.

 

[SSVol]

Literally not ONE SINGLE PERSON on this site thinks we are where we need to be. Very few if ANY are certain that Butch can get us there. NO Vol fan ever is "ok" with 7-5 and 8-4 seasons.

The difference that you and some others obviously can't comprehend is that it isn't a black and white issue. There are extenuating circumstances. If we bomb this year most will be ready for a change. But, again, the difference is most reasonable people haven't already assumed that it's a foregone conclusion that we suck and have already gone 5-7. Reasonable people let things play out before jumping up and down screaming.

Yep. Exactly this.