What is wrong with Alabama?

#77
#77
sanefan said:
You seem to understand it here, but a couple of pages back you say they got two games wrong.

Oddsmakers aren't trying to pick the winner, they only try to get the same amount bet on each side for protection.

The initial line is a bit like a guess on how it might turn out, but it is influenced by things like how the betting public sees a particular team. Bama point spreads right now always start high to get bets on the other team. Sometimes it is not high enough to start with.

Either way the goal is an even split of bets between the two teams.
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My hillbilly edjimication might have been showing.
 
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#80
This thread is stupid. Trying to use stats from one Bama game to make the case that Tennessee didn't play so bad is ridiculous. Instead, let's use an appropriate sample size and compare the last few games. Bama's d is awesome with lots of playmakers. They're aggressive and can get after the quarterback. Our d is slow, hasn't done well against the run, below average at cb, and doesn't have any dominant playmakers.

How anyone is confident in this defense is baffling to me. Can we improve? Sure. Do I think we will? I have no clue.
 
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Remy said:
The "we can't beat Florida contingent of VN" are not going to be happy with this. They've been using our Indiana State game as their prima facie case for why our defense is bad and we can't beat the gators. And you come in here with your logic and data showing Bammer's defense performed worse than ours against a similar opponent. How dare you!!!! LOL
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Eh, AL allowed fewer yards per play on defense (3.95 vs 4.05) and had a higher avg yards per play on offense (7.45 vs 6.05) than TN and did so against against an FBS vs FCS opponent. There's no "win" here for UT in this comparison.

OTOH I think there's precious little to be gleaned from the IS game other than a nice scrimmage. The problem is that after watching a whole lot of fail of late regarding the defense some UT fans were hoping for a bit more "obvious" domination of an FCS team picked to finish last in the Missouri Valley Conference.

Bama fans have had no such concerns about their team of late (particularly on defense) so the "what's wrong with Bama" query is contextually meaningless.
 
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TJ1985 said:
This thread is stupid. Trying to use stats from one Bama game to make the case that Tennessee didn't play so bad is ridiculous. Instead, let's use an appropriate sample size and compare the last few games. Bama's d is awesome with lots of playmakers. They're aggressive and can get after the quarterback. Our d is slow, hasn't done well against the run, below average at cb, and doesn't have any dominant playmakers.

How anyone is confident in this defense is baffling to me. Can we improve? Sure. Do I think we will? I have no clue.
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And like I have through this entire tread. I will reserve my opinion of Tennessee vs. Florida until after the game Saturday.
 
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hndog609 said:
Eh, AL allowed fewer yards per play on defense (3.95 vs 4.05) and had a higher avg yards per play on offense (7.45 vs 6.05) than TN and did so against against an FBS vs FCS opponent. There's no "win" here for UT in this comparison.

OTOH I think there's precious little to be gleaned from the IS game other than a nice scrimmage. The problem is that after watching a whole lot of fail of late regarding the defense some UT fans were hoping for a bit more "obvious" domination of an FCS team picked to finish last in the Missouri Valley Conference.

Bama fans have had no such concerns about their team of late (particularly on defense) so the "what's wrong with Bama" query is contextually meaningless.
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Have you been talking to my wife?
 
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Halph66 said:
I'm not sure that it is a rope-a-dope. Why use all your tools in the tool box to beat inferior talent.

Tennessee didn't use all their tools, in my opinion. Not one blitz that I saw. Why doesn't Tennessee get the same consideration.

It's my opinion that Georgia Tech is better than expected. I'm was glad to see our response when we were on the mat getting the knock out count. Tennessee survived and advanced.

I don't think that Georgia Tech played lights out against inferior talent. They weren't fired up, they were worn out, they survived and advanced.
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You don't find it concerning that our defense couldn't seal the edge against a glorified high school team?

Did Lyle tell all the sheep that the reason we couldn't get a push on the defensive line is because we didn't blitz? We shouldn't have to blitz to get pressure against ISU. Our front 4 should have dominated the LOS. I think we had 6 tackles for loss against ISU and that's inexcusably.

What's also concerning to me is that our offensive line didn't dominate the LOS against ISU. We saw too much pressure from their Defense. We had the strip sack and too many hits on our QB's.

We played a poor game against an inferior opponent.
 
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Halph66 said:
And like I have through this entire tread. I will reserve my opinion of Tennessee vs. Florida until after the game Saturday.
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Smart. I think we'll have a much better grasp of our defense after Florida. My hunch says, if Scarlett is back, they'll run for 300 yards on us.

Hopefully they come out thumping heads and completely surprise me.
 
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KBVol said:
#1 ranked team in the country, just handed the #3 team in the country its hat, defense looks dominant, offense is more than enough to win the SEC and get to the playoffs yet again imo. I personally don't see too much wrong with those guys.
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Preseason rankings are just guess work. Nobody knows how good Florida State or Alabama are. The media just thought they were good in the preseason. Using preseason rankings as a tool in your argument of who is good and who ain't isn't a smart move.

We'll see by the end of the season how good Alabama is. I personally think this is the beginning of the end for Alabama.

They won't make it to another SEC Championship until 2020.
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Preseason rankings are just guess work. Nobody knows how good Florida State or Alabama are. The media just thought they were good in the preseason. Using preseason rankings as a tool in your argument of who is good and who ain't isn't a smart move.

We'll see by the end of the season how good Alabama is. I personally think this is the beginning of the end for Alabama.

They won't make it to another SEC Championship until 2020.
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Have your expectations about our team changed any?

What makes you think this is the beginning of the end for Bama? Saban retire?
 
#92
#92
There's nothing wrong with being positive, but, when being positive skews your reality, it's time to take a step back and look at things realistically. Bama has beaten Florida State and Fresno State. We've beaten Georgia Tech and Indiana State. Both teams may be 2-0, but Bama has played the tougher schedule thus far. Honestly, it's not even close. So to try and compare us with Bama is ludicrous. I would LOVE to upset the Tide, but I wouldn't put money on the game.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
You don't find it concerning that our defense couldn't seal the edge against a glorified high school team?

Did Lyle tell all the sheep that the reason we couldn't get a push on the defensive line is because we didn't blitz? We shouldn't have to blitz to get pressure against ISU. Our front 4 should have dominated the LOS. I think we had 6 tackles for loss against ISU and that's inexcusably.

What's also concerning to me is that our offensive line didn't dominate the LOS against ISU. We saw too much pressure from their Defense. We had the strip sack and too many hits on our QB's.

We played a poor game against an inferior opponent.
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I am definitely not a guru. But I do know that there are schemes that slow defenses, that may not have been used in this scrimmage game. There's also ways to get after an offense by blitzing, but that didn't happen either.

I don't think all the tools were used. If we don't use the tools Saturday, my attitude will change.

Tennessee had a whole lot of energy the first 2 or 3 possessions of the GT game. GT adjusted and Tennessee didn't and the scheme wore them out. We won though.

The Indiana State was a scrimmage game. They played vanilla to get a win and move on, IMO. I think Saturday will be different.
 
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Weezer said:
There's nothing wrong with being positive, but, when being positive skews your reality, it's time to take a step back and look at things realistically. Bama has beaten Florida State and Fresno State. We've beaten Georgia Tech and Indiana State. Both teams may be 2-0, but Bama has played the tougher schedule thus far. Honestly, it's not even close. So to try and compare us with Bama is ludicrous. I would LOVE to upset the Tide, but I wouldn't put money on the game.
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You should bet the farm and life savings and throw your first born in, Dobbs4 said it was the beginning of the end of Alabama
 
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Dobbs 4 Heisman said:
Preseason rankings are just guess work. Nobody knows how good Florida State or Alabama are. The media just thought they were good in the preseason. Using preseason rankings as a tool in your argument of who is good and who ain't isn't a smart move.

We'll see by the end of the season how good Alabama is. I personally think this is the beginning of the end for Alabama.

They won't make it to another SEC Championship until 2020.
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I try very hard to be nice to fellow posters and maintain a civil conversation, but posts like this make me realize why others question your intelligence.
 
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Weezer said:
There's nothing wrong with being positive, but, when being positive skews your reality, it's time to take a step back and look at things realistically. Bama has beaten Florida State and Fresno State. We've beaten Georgia Tech and Indiana State. Both teams may be 2-0, but Bama has played the tougher schedule thus far. Honestly, it's not even close. So to try and compare us with Bama is ludicrous. I would LOVE to upset the Tide, but I wouldn't put money on the game.
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Nor would I place money on it. But you have to be delusional to think Bama played the same against Fresno that it did against Florida State.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
You should bet the farm and life savings and throw your first born in, Dobbs4 said it was the beginning of the end of Alabama
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Actually that's depressing considering, statistically speaking, AL is even more likely to continue having success.
 
#98
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Remy said:
The "we can't beat Florida contingent of VN" are not going to be happy with this. They've been using our Indiana State game as their prima facie case for why our defense is bad and we can't beat the gators. And you come in here with your logic and data showing Bammer's defense performed worse than ours against a similar opponent. How dare you!!!! LOL
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I find it funny that some of you think Fresno State and Indiana State are equivalent.
 
#100
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IluvdoubleD's said:
Hurts isn't playing well against a good secondary, and the Alabama D isn't good in the secondary. As a result you can gash them right up the middle of the field, which is what Fresno did.
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Hurts will be the SEC offensive player of the year again when the dust settles. No one has come close to "gashing" Alabama up the middle and our D-backs are the strongest part of this year's defense. Did you see the seminoles score all those 7 points? And 9 yards was the longest run they had.

Fresno State could not run, so they did the only thing they could to survive, dink and dunk with short passes and super quick throws and screens to keep their QB standing upright. They scored late when we had long since had our subs in.

Shame you didn't get a chance to watch it.
 
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