What is wrong with Alabama?

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Year after year they dominate the SEC.....
They are greedy.....That must be the correct answer.
 
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I don't think Alabama is as strong as precious years. They have tons of obvious talent but I don't think they're explosive outside of Hurts. Their defense is always solid but I don't think near as dominant as past seasons.
 
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dcm3w said:
I don't think Alabama is as strong as precious years. They have tons of obvious talent but I don't think they're explosive outside of Hurts. Their defense is always solid but I don't think near as dominant as past seasons.
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Wasn't Dooley's nickname precious?
 
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Halph66 said:
Besides the obvious.

Most agree that Alabama is the standard that all teams should compare themselves to.

Many on hear say that Tennessee is not very good.

I present exhibit A:

Fresno State: 216 yds. Passing & 71 yds. Rushing - 10 pts. / 287 yds. total
Alabama: 192 yds. Passing & 305 yds. Rushing - 41 pts. / 497 yds. total

Indiana State: 93 yds. Passing & 136 yds. Rushing - 7 pts. / 229 yds. total
Tennessee: 235 yds. Passing & 172 yds. Rushing - 42 pts. / 407 yds. total *Tennessee had a 91 yd. kick off return that isn't in the total.
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Alabama: constantly wins the west, playoff games, national titles...

Tennessee: constantly losses games to blow the east, Sugar Bowl, any chance of being seen as a contender.


If you're going to do something this silly, possibly pick a team that is actually like Tennessee.
 
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malinoisvol said:
Little Nicky employing the "Rope-a-Dope" strategy .
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I'm not sure that it is a rope-a-dope. Why use all your tools in the tool box to beat inferior talent.

Tennessee didn't use all their tools, in my opinion. Not one blitz that I saw. Why doesn't Tennessee get the same consideration.

It's my opinion that Georgia Tech is better than expected. I'm was glad to see our response when we were on the mat getting the knock out count. Tennessee survived and advanced.

I don't think that Georgia Tech played lights out against inferior talent. They weren't fired up, they were worn out, they survived and advanced.
 
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dcm3w said:
I don't think Alabama is as strong as precious years. They have tons of obvious talent but I don't think they're explosive outside of Hurts. Their defense is always solid but I don't think near as dominant as past seasons.
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I'll reserve my opinion of where Tennessee is compared to Alabama until after they play.

On paper Tennessee shouldn't even show up. Crazier things have happened. That's why I watch every game.
 
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Halph66 said:
The article that I read had the starting odds at what I posted. Unfortunately, I can't find the same link.

It's not where they end, but where they start. Odds makers set the odds to get bets. It moves due to the bets. It's not that complicated.
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It apparently is pretty complicated for you
 
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JAMESFROMCT said:
Fresno state is a FBS school that plays the power 5 tough

Indiana state is a terrible FCS school that will be lucky to win 4 games at the 1-aa level. We should have won 80-0
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Fresno State got enough money to run their program for a while.

That was little more than a scrimmage. Everyone got PT one film. We spotted tbem 1 yard per play, once again playing to preserve athletes for SEC play.

80 pts... phuttt. Well I guess if your intent is to brag about plowing under a team like that.
 
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BigOrangeLoyalist said:
Let's not forget that Fresno State would destroy Indiana State.
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extremely valid point that should not be ignored.. better title for this thread would be why cant anyone on VN spell (embred...seriously?) or properly tell the difference between an adjective and a pronoun (there and their mean different things) this here website should be required reading to post on any forum. http://grammar.yourdictionary.com/grammar-rules-and-tips/rules-for-there-and-their.html
 
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HoptownVol said:
Reason and logic? What exactly is your point, besides "Hey ya'll, look at these stats!"

We'll see how far your logic gets you when Liberty beats the crap out of ISU.
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As state earlier by Ten Titans:

"Probably. Ass whoopings in college football are not linear. Proven every year.
Team A beat team B by 20, who beat team team C by 40.
So team A would beat team C by 60.
It doesn't work that way."

Why would Tennessee care what ISU does going forward? We played them, we won. But we are horrible because we didn't win by 1,000 points. IMO, we played vanilla on both sides of the ball and got a lot of players valuable reps., and won the game handily. Something that hasn't happened in any of our cupcake games in several years.

People complain when Tennessee doesn't dominate to get back ups valuable game time. They did this time and people want to complain that the score should have been more and the opponents yards should have been less that 50.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
It apparently is pretty complicated for you
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Odds makers set the initial odds. The lines move by what is bet by the masses. They have to adjust the odds to cover their asses.

When you bet you don't get that option. You lock your odds when you place the bet.

The odds do not stay put. They move based on the money that played. The bets determine where it is at game time.
 
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Halph66 said:
Sorry to apply reason and logic. This will cause a melt down. :)
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When your "reason and logic" excludes each team's first game, each of which was against more legit competition (and with Alabama handling a true heavyweight).....

....it is watered down at best.

If we only had Indy State as a barometer, I doubt as many of us would be concerned. But when you have the defensive meltdown of last season, along with another meltdown to open this season, I think it is both reasonable and logical to be on edge.
 
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EZE said:
When your "reason and logic" excludes each team's first game, each of which was against more legit competition (and with Alabama handling a true heavyweight).....

....it is watered down at best.

If we only had Indy State as a barometer, I doubt as many of us would be concerned. But when you have the defensive meltdown of last season, along with another meltdown to open this season, I think it is both reasonable and logical to be on edge.
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Like I said earlier, IMO Georgia Tech is better than expected and Tennessee has things to work on. Against ISU we played vanilla and got backups valuable reps.

I will reserve my opinion of Tennessee vs. Florida until after the game.
 
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Halph66 said:
Like I said earlier, IMO Georgia Tech is better than expected and Tennessee has things to work on. Against ISU we played vanilla and got backups valuable reps.

I will reserve my opinion of Tennessee vs. Florida until after the game.
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I want to see Florida and possibly Georgia. I'm still hopeful for drastic improvement, but right now, it looks like more of the same. I have my doubts.
 
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Halph66 said:
Besides the obvious.

Most agree that Alabama is the standard that all teams should compare themselves to.

Many on hear say that Tennessee is not very good.

I present exhibit A:

Fresno State: 216 yds. Passing & 71 yds. Rushing - 10 pts. / 287 yds. total
Alabama: 192 yds. Passing & 305 yds. Rushing - 41 pts. / 497 yds. total

Indiana State: 93 yds. Passing & 136 yds. Rushing - 7 pts. / 229 yds. total
Tennessee: 235 yds. Passing & 172 yds. Rushing - 42 pts. / 407 yds. total *Tennessee had a 91 yd. kick off return that isn't in the total.
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The "we can't beat Florida contingent of VN" are not going to be happy with this. They've been using our Indiana State game as their prima facie case for why our defense is bad and we can't beat the gators. And you come in here with your logic and data showing Bammer's defense performed worse than ours against a similar opponent. How dare you!!!! LOL
 
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Halph66 said:
Odds makers set the initial odds. The lines move by what is bet by the masses. They have to adjust the odds to cover their asses.

When you bet you don't get that option. You lock your odds when you place the bet.

The odds do not stay put. They move based on the money that played. The bets determine where it is at game time.
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Also the pros do not lay down their money 'til game day. You never can tell when somebody develops a hangnail on Friday and can't play on Saturday.
 
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Halph66 said:
Odds makers set the initial odds. The lines move by what is bet by the masses. They have to adjust the odds to cover their asses.

When you bet you don't get that option. You lock your odds when you place the bet.

The odds do not stay put. They move based on the money that played. The bets determine where it is at game time.
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You seem to understand it here, but a couple of pages back you say they got two games wrong.

Oddsmakers aren't trying to pick the winner, they only try to get the same amount bet on each side for protection.

The initial line is a bit like a guess on how it might turn out, but it is influenced by things like how the betting public sees a particular team. Bama point spreads right now always start high to get bets on the other team. Sometimes it is not high enough to start with.

Either way the goal is an even split of bets between the two teams.
 
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Remy said:
The "we can't beat Florida contingent of VN" are not going to be happy with this. They've been using our Indiana State game as their prima facie case for why our defense is bad and we can't beat the gators. And you come in here with your logic and data showing Bammer's defense performed worse than ours against a similar opponent. How dare you!!!! LOL
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That's exactly why I did it. :)
 
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