Recruiting Forum Football Talk XXXVI

[VolGee4]

LWS in the ff trying to act like there is almost no way TN plays UF next week. Somebody must have really peed in his Wheaties cause he is just doom and gloom constantly now. I remember him saying how fantastic Marlin Lane looked on the practice field and to get ready cause he was the real deal. He flipped from sunshine pumper to negative Nancy

I haven't read it, but there is no way anyone knows that at this point.

 

[mrMet]

Fantasy off to a great start. Watching Gilleslie rack up monster points on my bench since they like to play 5 RBs and I couldn't trust it

Got Gilleslie playing in one league. Got tyreek hill in a ppr league sitting on the bench lol. Only because Devanta Freeman, Julio Jones, Michael Thomas, and Zeke Elliot are playing. Damned if you damned if you don't

 

[BruinVol]

Hunt is a bad ass

 

[Nash_Vol97]

Kareem Hunt looking legit.

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

Because he couldn't run down Marshall? Because he was completely gassed out in the 4th quarter because he played 90 snaps? Let's see if Franks thinks he's slow next week before were ready to shut him down at DE.

I said Tuesday that to me it looked like Kingbo was visibly limping when he was running full out, and nobody commented. Go back and watch those plays. We know the dude is faster than that, we've seen it when he ran in that touchdown last year.

 

[BruinVol]

I said Tuesday that to me it looked like Kingbo was visibly limping when he was running full out, and nobody commented. Go back and watch those plays. We know the dude is faster than that, we've seen it when he ran in that touchdown last year.

Who did he score that TD against?

Edit: it was against Mizzu

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

I can certainly assure you that they weren't coached to watch out for a QB running 50 times. I honestly think we might have thought the white guy (jordan) was going to start. The one play he got in we tackled him at the line of scrimmage. He's super slow compared to Marshall. Usually, they're fairly balanced on carries. Marshall just played a hell of a game.

I kind of think they might have prepared for Jordan and been caught off guard by Marshall as well. But the running 50 times thing is a bit misleading. I'm not sure Paul Johnson even planned on running 96 plays and Marshall keeping the ball 44 of them going into the game. He usually likes to keep the ball in the QBs hands about 3-35% of the time. But he had a hot hand and they rode it.

In shoops interview today he said they ran the triple option the first couple of possessions and then abandoned it.

Yeah, but they don't just line up and run the triple option all night in most of their games. Their offense has more wrinkles than one play. Leading up to the game, their fans on here were warning us about how they'd run on us if we did nothing but focus on the triple option.

The thing is, Johnson is a technical coach and no one knows how to run or completely defend his offense. That's why the very rarely average less the 250 a game on the ground, yearly. 3 years ago they averaged almost 350 a game on the ground. If it's just simple why do they average that high of numbers?

This is also kind of misleading. They average a lot on the ground largely because they generally have a 4:1 run/pass ratio. As for being held under 250, they were held under that rushing 5 times last year (3 times under 200) and 6 times the year before (4 under 200).

2014 was super impressive, though. They were only held under 250 once, in a throw away season opener against Wofford. Granted, that was arguably their best season since PJ has been their coach.

We didn't play a clean game, but I also don't believe we are what the stats showed against the run. They run a gimmick system that is successful, the best triple option team in the country at that. They threw us some curve balls because Johnson saw we were stopping the triple option. They did some other things and a former receiver at QB ran all over us. We'll show people at Florida.

I agree with about not thinking our defense is what the statline showed. I think we'll look better against traditional offenses (I'm kinda thinking our strength might end up being pass defense, maybe).

My only point is that I don't really buy the "they ran a different offense against us! We couldn't see it coming!" narrative just because Shoop mentions they'd quit emphasizing the triple option after a few series.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

I kind of think they might have prepared for Jordan and been caught off guard by Marshall as well. But the running 50 times thing is a bit misleading. I'm not sure Paul Johnson even planned on running 96 plays and Marshall keeping the ball 44 of them going into the game. He usually likes to keep the ball in the QBs hands about 3-35% of the time. But he had a hot hand and they rode it.




Yeah, but they don't just line up and run the triple option all night in most of their games. Their offense has more wrinkles than one play. Leading up to the game, their fans on here were warning us about how they'd run on us if we did nothing but focus on the triple option.



This is also kind of misleading. They average a lot on the ground largely because they generally have a 4:1 run/pass ratio. As for being held under 250, they were held under that rushing 5 times last year (3 times under 200) and 6 times the year before (4 under 200).

2014 was super impressive, though. They were only held under 250 once, in a throw away season opener against Wofford. Granted, that was arguably their best season since PJ has been their coach.




I agree with about not thinking our defense is what the statline showed. I think we'll look better against traditional offenses (I'm kinda thinking our strength might end up being pass defense, maybe).

My only point is that I don't really buy the "they ran a different offense against us! We couldn't see it coming!" narrative just because Shoop mentions they'd quit emphasizing the triple option after a few series.

Hey darth. You're a good poster. I enjoyed your drunk posts Monday also.

 

[Smokey123]

He took what Florida's defense gave him and nothing more. Every deep ball was play action where he had 10 seconds to throw.

It was PA because they had been dominating the run lol, that doesn't mean he took the gas off. It was not a generic offense, they were still disguising blitz. No, he didn't have all day to throw. The sack came off Pa's where he had no time to throw. And he got rid of the ball quickly. You may wanna rewatch before commenting.

Also, if UM took the gas off there would be no reason to be worried about Michigan moving forward. Holding a team to 3, less than 200 yards, 15 rushing yards and scoring 26 with over 400 yards, while taking the gas off with a quarter+ left must be nice....

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Not at DT, LB or 2 DB positions.

Their LBs are plenty athletic. I'm not sure which DB spots you're talking about. I think all of their CBs are athletic enough (even Dawson, though a lot here act like he's slaw for getting toasted by Malone). I just don't think they're as naturally talented at the position as some of their former guys like Heargraves or Tabor (who really wasn't that athletic, but had a knack for man coverage when not playing his daddy).

Their DTs are solid. I don't think either are great athletes, but one has good size and is physical enough. The other kinda reminds me of a white Kendall Vickers. Not an amazing athlete and not the size of your ideal SEC DT, but tough and good enough in most situations.

 

[UTProf]

https://gtswarm.com/threads/what-was-the-play-with-pulling-guard-and-tackle.12911/

One poster there said they used as much wing-t as option in that game.

 

[UTProf]

Wow!!!!

[Twitter]https://twitter.com/sec_country_/status/905897635126681605[/Twitter]

That's bad. I hope he's ok but anytime there's a heart condition it's serious business.

 

[Darth_Shiveman]

Hey darth. You're a good poster. I enjoyed your drunk posts Monday also.

lol thanks man but I've gotta get those drunken posts under control a bit better. Drank wayyyyyy too much last game.

Starting the day off with Irish Coffee and then moving on to sake was not a great idea, in hindsight. Definitely paid for that one the next day.

Gonna keep it to a beer or two per half the next few weeks (though I might get into the jack a bit afterwards if we beat UF).

 

[BruinVol]

Dear LOrd all off season all we hear is how deep the patriots are with all their off season moves now in the first game of the year they just don't have enough players to win.

lol

 

[Smokey123]

Updated track. This thing is about to hit ALL of Florida...........

 

[BruinVol]

Going to 2 question:


You score a TD like in this pats game to go up 7 with 5 minutes to go. Why not go for 2 to make it a 9 pt game if you like your Offesne making it over your defense stopping it???

We all know this game is coming down to Brady and a 2 pt conversation. I would have gone for it there because of how well my O was doing. I know it's unconventional but seems like the thing to do when your O is rolling and if you don't make it it's going to be tied like we all know it is anyway.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

It was PA because they had been dominating the run lol, that doesn't mean he took the gas off. It was not a generic offense, they were still disguising blitz. No, he didn't have all day to throw. The sack came off Pa's where he had no time to throw. And he got rid of the ball quickly. You may wanna rewatch before commenting.

Also, if UM took the gas off there would be no reason to be worried about Michigan moving forward. Holding a team to 3, less than 200 yards, 15 rushing yards and scoring 26 with over 400 yards, while taking the gas off with a quarter+ left must be nice....

When you have a 2 score lead. Your QB sucks and has two pick 6's. Your opponent has no offense. You run vanilla plays and play action passes.

Look smokey. I respect your opinion. Some advice to you my man. When you disagree with someone else you don't need vitriol and comments like "lol, did you watch the game, you may wanna rewatch, etc.."

Have some class and make your point. We aren't going to agree. You feel Florida's defense is legit. I don't. We'll find out and quite frankly, neither of us really know.

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Their LBs are plenty athletic. I'm not sure which DB spots you're talking about. I think all of their CBs are athletic enough (even Dawson, though a lot here act like he's slaw for getting toasted by Malone). I just don't think they're as naturally talented at the position as some of their former guys like Heargraves or Tabor (who really wasn't that athletic, but had a knack for man coverage when not playing his daddy).

Their DTs are solid. I don't think either are great athletes, but one has good size and is physical enough. The other kinda reminds me of a white Kendall Vickers. Not an amazing athlete and not the size of your ideal SEC DT, but tough and good enough in most situations.

Dawson is a nickel at best. Gardner is a stud. Rest are pedestrian. Linebackers are slow, especially Reese. Tackles are average not poor. DE's are good but not elite.

 

[Mullins2010]

I hope im wrong bit I think Berry just tore his Achilles

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

lol thanks man but I've gotta get those drunken posts under control a bit better. Drank wayyyyyy too much last game.

Starting the day off with Irish Coffee and then moving on to sake was not a great idea, in hindsight. Definitely paid for that one the next day.

Gonna keep it to a beer or two per half the next few weeks (though I might get into the jack a bit afterwards if we beat UF).

I need to get involved with Sake. Gentlemen Jack for me my man. Also like IPA's and a good red wine. I make a mean French 75 and Sazerac.

 

[BruinVol]

I hope im wrong bit I think Berry just tore his Achilles

Could be. Didn't look good

 

[Ulysees E. McGill]

GBO from Jackson Hole!!

Dang bro..I missed you by a week. I will be there next Saturday...Lord willin and Irma don't blow us all to heck..😎

 

[Outofmyvolcanmind]

Going to 2 question:


You score a TD like in this pats game to go up 7 with 5 minutes to go. Why not go for 2 to make it a 9 pt game if you like your Offesne making it over your defense stopping it???

We all know this game is coming down to Brady and a 2 pt conversation. I would have gone for it there because of how well my O was doing. I know it's unconventional but seems like the thing to do when your O is rolling and if you don't make it it's going to be tied like we all know it is anyway.

Saying same thing here Bruin. Bury them!

 

[The Dog]

Going to 2 question:


You score a TD like in this pats game to go up 7 with 5 minutes to go. Why not go for 2 to make it a 9 pt game if you like your Offesne making it over your defense stopping it???

We all know this game is coming down to Brady and a 2 pt conversation. I would have gone for it there because of how well my O was doing. I know it's unconventional but seems like the thing to do when your O is rolling and if you don't make it it's going to be tied like we all know it is anyway.

Because u make them get the 2 point conversion. Why chance it? U go for 2 and don't make it, more than likely u are looking at OT, if they score. U get the EP and they have to get the 2 pointer then more than likely KC wins if they don't make it and worst case scenario, OT

 

[BruinVol]

Saying same thing here Bruin. Bury them!

Don't think I have ever seen anyone do it but I swear it is the thing to do imo.