Butch Jones press conference tomorrow at noon

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Can't remember a time where a dual quarterback system was in the best interest of a team.

So unless it is just for game 1 to see which plays better with live ammo flying, then it certainly smells like it is being done to placate JG.

Don't forget that Dobbs was 3rd or 4th on the depth chart while Peterman was really good in practice. Sounds like Dobbs didn't look all world until the lights came on and Peterman looked great when it wasn't full contact. Some guys can flip it on for practice while some guys need to be in the moment. NFL has preseason to figure it out, we have Ga Tech
 
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I remember Spurrier had some levels of success with a true 2 QB system back when he had Jesse Palmer and Doug Johnson (and maybe later on Rex Grossman). But it seemed like none of them could ever get a good rhythm going and he was constantly playing musical chairs. He did it a little at South Carolina as well. I can't recall any other coach doing a true 2 QB system in recent memory, and I certainly don't remember anyone being largely successful with it.

Yeah, Palmer and Johnson were the ones that came to my mind of it having any success at all.
 
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Don't forget that Dobbs was 3rd or 4th on the depth chart while Peterman was really good in practice. Sounds like Dobbs didn't look all world until the lights came on and Peterman looked great when it wasn't full contact. Some guys can flip it on for practice while some guys need to be in the moment. NFL has preseason to figure it out, we have Ga Tech

I have no doubt that JG will get a couple of series in, but GT will beat you if you think they are just a tune up.
 
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Just want to hear the DKjr update at noon tomorrow. Then we can all move on one way or another on that front.

Agree: Everything else can be summed up with individuals, process, eye alignment, and complimentary football.
 
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Don't forget that Dobbs was 3rd or 4th on the depth chart while Peterman was really good in practice. Sounds like Dobbs didn't look all world until the lights came on and Peterman looked great when it wasn't full contact. Some guys can flip it on for practice while some guys need to be in the moment. NFL has preseason to figure it out, we have Ga Tech

Yeah I think that is the distinction -- is this a 1 game thing (or 2 with Indiana St.) just to make sure QD is ready to be the guy when the real bullets are flying, or is the intention to truly have a 2 QB system?

If it is the former, then I think the prolonged "QB battle" is largely just to placate JG because by all accounts QD has outperformed him and earned the job.

However, if they truly do intend to run a 2 QB system then I have a hard time believing this staff, with a brand new 1st time OC and a HC that has never done it before, are the people I'd have confidence in to make it work successfully...and I would suspect that both CBJ and CLS know their limitations on the 2 QB front.

So I think deductive reasoning suggests that the prolonged QB battle is an effort to placate JG (and perhaps keep GT guessing a bit as to what they should prepare for). JMO.
 
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Here's Phil Fulmer, talking about the last time Tennessee ran a 2-QB offense:

Tennessee head coach Phillip Fulmer stated again Wednesday how pleased he is with the two-quarterback system of true freshmen Brent Schaeffer and Erik Ainge.

Loves it, in fact.

"I don't know why it's such a big deal," Fulmer said. "We've got an exciting thing going on. I like the way it's happening and I think most of the people do who follow Tennessee football."

That was 3 games into the 2004 season. The Vols were 3-0, ranked #10 in the nation by the AP.

Schaeffer (who started all three games) and Ainge were a combined 49-of-77 for 721 yards and 10 TDs. Only one INT. Ainge's pass efficiency rating was 184.1; Shaeffer's was 178.5. Together, they led the SEC in most QB stats on the young season.

Here's a really neat article describing that season. The first half of which we went 7-1 in a true two-QB system (Schaeffer broke his collarbone in that 8th game, against USCe, which we won).

https://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/12/12/1197038/tennessee-moments-of-the-decade-7

Go Vols!
 
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wants to keep both QBs satisfied until he can actually see them both in a "real" game situation...see, under a "real" game situation...

That's because not too many teams have 2 GREAT QBs on their roster at the same time. We're in an envious situation right now. ... I say play BOTH.

Yup, a 2 MEDIOCRE QB has never really worked in my memory. ....
FYP - Your are right, of course, but you would then have to PROVE that we have 2 MEDIOCRE qbs before you continue. :no:

We NEED to have two qbs play! No matter who ends up getting the most snaps ... we have to have a backup with EXPERIENCE.

I say, let's watch and see. You rarely see TWO qbs who are BOTH strong alpha males.

There were some GREAT qbs at Michigan that were backups.

I personally do not think it is song and dance. I think they both have talent with differing skill sets.
 
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Here's Phil Fulmer, talking about the last time Tennessee ran a 2-QB offense:



That was 3 games into the 2004 season. The Vols were 3-0, ranked #10 in the nation by the AP.

Schaeffer (who started all three games) and Ainge were a combined 49-of-77 for 721 yards and 10 TDs. Only one INT. Ainge's pass efficiency rating was 184.1; Shaeffer's was 178.5. Together, they led the SEC in most QB stats on the young season.

Here's a really neat article describing that season. The first half of which we went 7-1 in a true two-QB system (Schaeffer broke his collarbone in that 8th game, against USCe, which we won).

https://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/12/12/1197038/tennessee-moments-of-the-decade-7

Go Vols!

meh, that was my freshman year on the hill and it wasn't a 2 QB system, except for week 1 against UNLV. The box scores flesh that out. After week 1, Schaeffer attempted 4, 7, 5, 1, 2, 0, and 4 passes through the USCjr game when he got hurt. Ainge was the guy until he got hurt against Notre Dame with Schaeffer having a couple packages per game. Then Clausen played the rest of the way until Schaeffer had a little PT in the bowl game.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/tennessee/2004.html
 
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It is being done to placate the young QB...which speaks volumes about the coach and the player.

Despite what the "experts" on here who watch a lot of "film" say, Dormady can effectively run every aspect of this offense....he did it in HS. It's funny that those who have marveled at JG's mobility in HS have never watched Dormady's HS film (from much tougher Texas HS football).

agreed. think JG will be very good, if not great. but i have zero worry with QD being the guy right now.
 
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Here's Phil Fulmer, talking about the last time Tennessee ran a 2-QB offense:



That was 3 games into the 2004 season. The Vols were 3-0, ranked #10 in the nation by the AP.

Schaeffer (who started all three games) and Ainge were a combined 49-of-77 for 721 yards and 10 TDs. Only one INT. Ainge's pass efficiency rating was 184.1; Shaeffer's was 178.5. Together, they led the SEC in most QB stats on the young season.

Here's a really neat article describing that season. The first half of which we went 7-1 in a true two-QB system (Schaeffer broke his collarbone in that 8th game, against USCe, which we won).

https://www.rockytoptalk.com/2009/12/12/1197038/tennessee-moments-of-the-decade-7

Go Vols!

Was at that '04 game and have when Wilhoit hit that kick I though the place was going to explode.
 
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meh, that was my freshman year on the hill and it wasn't a 2 QB system, except for week 1 against UNLV. The box scores flesh that out. After week 1, Schaeffer attempted 4, 7, 5, 1, 2, 0, and 4 passes through the USCjr game when he got hurt. Ainge was the guy until he got hurt against Notre Dame with Schaeffer having a couple packages per game. Then Clausen played the rest of the way until Schaeffer had a little PT in the bowl game.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/tennessee/2004.html

Ainge definitely played most of the UF game that year, I think Brent threw the ball 4 times or something. Oh and special shoutout goes to Dallas Baker for giving us a chance to win that game :)
 
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FYP - Your are right, of course, but you would then have to PROVE that we have 2 MEDIOCRE qbs before you continue. :no:

We NEED to have two qbs play! No matter who ends up getting the most snaps ... we have to have a backup with EXPERIENCE.

I say, let's watch and see. You rarely see TWO qbs who are BOTH strong alpha males.

There were some GREAT qbs at Michigan that were backups.

I personally do not think it is song and dance. I think they both have talent with differing skill sets.

I never said 2 MEDIOCRE QB system hasn't worked....I said 2 QB system period. There is a reason that coaches don't use it at the quarterback position.
 
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meh, that was my freshman year on the hill and it wasn't a 2 QB system, except for week 1 against UNLV. The box scores flesh that out. After week 1, Schaeffer attempted 4, 7, 5, 1, 2, 0, and 4 passes through the USCjr game when he got hurt. Ainge was the guy until he got hurt against Notre Dame with Schaeffer having a couple packages per game. Then Clausen played the rest of the way until Schaeffer had a little PT in the bowl game.

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/tennessee/2004.html

Yep, that's how the stats look.

But your and my memories are reaching back the same # of years, and I remember it being a true 2-QB system for the first few games, before Ainge started taking over.
 
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You gotta love the extremes this website goes through. Before the spring game it was all about how JG was the definite starter and QD was gonna transfer. Then Dormady has a nice spring game and he's now the second coming and we're just giving JG snaps to placate him. LOL.
Uh... no. Only in YOUR mind.

Some of us recognized that QD had talent long before spring.

JG is still extremely talented. Dormady can't run the read option which is critical in today's college game.
Yes. He can run it and no it is not "critical in today's college game". Bama has won NC's with statues at QB. Jake Browning had less than 100 yds rushng and didn't run the ball.

A QB talented at making quick decisions and able to read D's is STILL just as effective if not more so than a QB who makes plays with his legs. Of course you still think Dobbs had no significant problems in the passing game so I don't expect you to understand the game well enough to understand this.

Whether you like it or not, we're gonna play both QBs.
Only if Jones wants a QB controversy at a time when some already have him on a hot seat. The race wasn't that close leaving spring. Dormady was more comfortable in the O. He executed better. He was given more of the O to run.

JG is improving as we would all hope and expect but nothing public indicates he has caught or overtaken QD. To the contrary, a reporter recently let it slip that he didn't think the QB race was nearly as close as the impression being given.

And we'll play them ALL SEASON.
If so... Jones is about as clueless as you. The "wrong" decision would be better than indecision. Both of these guys are capable. It sounds like QD is ahead. But even if JG is chosen... that is a million times better than trying to run a 2 QB system.

UT attempting such a thing at this point would be even MORE stupid because the two guys are so similar in what they bring to the field. Neither runs as good as Dobbs. If you believe reports, they have similar straight line speed. Dormady is bigger. JG looks a tad quicker. Both have accurate, live arms with possibly a slight advantage to QD.

The separation is that QD appears to read D's very, very well both pre and post snap. He makes decisions and delivers the ball accurately and on time to play makers. He usually gives them an opportunity to make a play after the catch. SOME of this is innate. It is instinct. A natural talent like Dobbs' ability to run that can be honed into a football skill

Again... nothing I expect you to understand... but maybe others will recognize the sense of it.

Dormady will definitely get more snaps. But Guarantano will play as well because he brings a skill set to the field that Dormady doesn't have.
I've seen one 2 QB system "work" in well over 40 years of watching the SEC. Richt fearing that DJ Shockley would transfer designed a package each game for him. Greeene was the starter and clearly the better QB. Shockley got one or two series per game. Unlike JG and QD, these two WERE radically different in what they brought to the field.

We have 2 great QBs. It would be dumb on Butch's part to not play both if they can both help us WIN. Florida won the national championship in 2006 with a 2-QB system. And so can we.

No they didn't. They had a QB then they had a Wildcat. JG isn't that kind of runner. He doesn't weight 245 like Tebow.

It is ALMOST ALWAYS a mistake to try to play two QB's. It is very, very rare to see it not tank a team regardless of how talented the guys are.

It is manifestly STUPID to do something that as a rule does not work.
 
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Uh... no. Only in YOUR mind.

Some of us recognized that QD had talent long before spring.

Yes. He can run it and no it is not "critical in today's college game". Bama has won NC's with statues at QB. Jake Browning had less than 100 yds rushng and didn't run the ball.

A QB talented at making quick decisions and able to read D's is STILL just as effective if not more so than a QB who makes plays with his legs. Of course you still think Dobbs had no significant problems in the passing game so I don't expect you to understand the game well enough to understand this.

Only if Jones wants a QB controversy at a time when some already have him on a hot seat. The race wasn't that close leaving spring. Dormady was more comfortable in the O. He executed better. He was given more of the O to run.

JG is improving as we would all hope and expect but nothing public indicates he has caught or overtaken QD. To the contrary, a reporter recently let it slip that he didn't think the QB race was nearly as close as the impression being given.

If so... Jones is about as clueless as you. The "wrong" decision would be better than indecision. Both of these guys are capable. It sounds like QD is ahead. But even if JG is chosen... that is a million times better than trying to run a 2 QB system.

UT attempting such a thing at this point would be even MORE stupid because the two guys are so similar in what they bring to the field. Neither runs as good as Dobbs. If you believe reports, they have similar straight line speed. Dormady is bigger. JG looks a tad quicker. Both have accurate, live arms with possibly a slight advantage to QD.

The separation is that QD appears to read D's very, very well both pre and post snap. He makes decisions and delivers the ball accurately and on time to play makers. He usually gives them an opportunity to make a play after the catch. SOME of this is innate. It is instinct. A natural talent like Dobbs' ability to run that can be honed into a football skill

Again... nothing I expect you to understand... but maybe others will recognize the sense of it.

I've seen one 2 QB system "work" in well over 40 years of watching the SEC. Richt fearing that DJ Shockley would transfer designed a package each game for him. Greeene was the starter and clearly the better QB. Shockley got one or two series per game. Unlike JG and QD, these two WERE radically different in what they brought to the field.



No they didn't. They had a QB then they had a Wildcat. JG isn't that kind of runner. He doesn't weight 245 like Tebow.

It is ALMOST ALWAYS a mistake to try to play two QB's. It is very, very rare to see it not tank a team regardless of how talented the guys are.

It is manifestly STUPID to do something that as a rule does not work.

The most recent mess was OSU.
 
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You gotta love the extremes this website goes through. Before the spring game it was all about how JG was the definite starter and QD was gonna transfer. Then Dormady has a nice spring game and he's now the second coming and we're just giving JG snaps to placate him. LOL.

JG is still extremely talented. Dormady can't run the read option which is critical in today's college game. Whether you like it or not, we're gonna play both QBs. And we'll play them ALL SEASON. Dormady will definitely get more snaps. But Guarantano will play as well because he brings a skill set to the field that Dormady doesn't have.

We have 2 great QBs. It would be dumb on Butch's part to not play both if they can both help us WIN. Florida won the national championship in 2006 with a 2-QB system. And so can we.

You don't have a freakin clue what we are going to do. Just sit back and cheer for you team and quit acting like you got all the answers. GBO!!!!
 
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Cause he's slow.

For the read option to be effective, the guy doing the read has to threaten the defense with an explosive run otherwise its worthless. See Justin Worley in this offense.
Comparing QD to Worley is a huge disservice to both players. QD is not the pocket passer that Worley was and Worley is not the runner QD is. Yeah compared to Dobbs QD is not much of a runner. But people are massively underrating him as a runner. The kid can run well enough to keep defenses honest on the read option.
 
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Comparing QD to Worley is a huge disservice to both players. QD is not the pocket passer that Worley was and Worley is not the runner QD is. Yeah compared to Dobbs QD is not much of a runner. But people are massively underrating him as a runner. The kid can run well enough to keep defenses honest on the read option.

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Ainge definitely played most of the UF game that year, I think Brent threw the ball 4 times or something. Oh and special shoutout goes to Dallas Baker for giving us a chance to win that game :)

We got screwed in 2000 and in '06. We earned that Dallas Baker slap.
 
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That's because not too many teams have 2 GREAT QBs on their roster at the same time. We're in an envious situation right now. We have 2 QBs that are good enough to start at almost every other school in the country. Most schools don't have one good QB. So if we have 2 GREAT QBs, why not use both? Especially if they have differing skills that can help us in different ways?
Are you serious? There are LOTS of teams with 2 or more great talents at QB. There is a reason that coaches almost NEVER attempt to play two QB's. It is almost always a disaster and usually splits the team.

Further, they won't help the team in different ways. Since you've probably never played the game this is again something I doubt you understand but teams have time limitations. Even if their skill sets were radically different (which they aren't), there are tradeoffs in prep time when you try to expand the game plan and devote enough time to get execution right. Any minute given to developing a different gameplan for the back up is a minute not devoted to executing the primary game plan with winning precision. Regardless of who it ends up being, UT's back up will run the same gameplan and set of plays as the starter.

IMO, this is possibly why QD wasn't asked to play the USCe game last year considering Dobbs was in no condition to play. The O was customized to Dobbs' skill set. That didn't include portions of the passing game. It did include more QB runs.

This will not likely be the Josh Dobbs/Munchie Legaux version of Jones' O. It is likely to be the Zach Collaros version. Not counting sacks, Collaros ran about 5 times per game.

I say play your best players as much as possible. Dormady and Guarantano are 2 of the best players on this team. I say play BOTH.
And again the brilliance of your ignorance is blinding.
 
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Can't remember a time where a dual quarterback system was in the best interest of a team.

So unless it is just for game 1 to see which plays better with live ammo flying, then it certainly smells like it is being done to placate JG.

Florida rode Chris Leak and Tim Tebow all the way to a NC.
 
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Comparing QD to Worley is a huge disservice to both players. QD is not the pocket passer that Worley was and Worley is not the runner QD is. Yeah compared to Dobbs QD is not much of a runner. But people are massively underrating him as a runner. The kid can run well enough to keep defenses honest on the read option.

I'm not sure QD isn't as good in the pocket. He's definitely more mobile.
 
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