Trump to allow local police to have military gear

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I don't recall anyone ever saying it was Obama trying to take over the country.

Do you have a link we could peruse?
 
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And I'm really glad CNN thought this front page worthy and decided not to report on their antifa darlings out in California. Or the suppression of First Amendment Rights by the San Fran Mayor.
 
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ANTIFA Berkeley

really not a fan of it. I don't think they should ever be a part of standard issue or for them to have in their cruisers. But having it and being trained with it? Like I said before not a fan of it, but I have a hard time coming up with a better solution to some of the issues going on.
 
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LouderVol said:
ANTIFA Berkeley

really not a fan of it. I don't think they should ever be a part of standard issue or for them to have in their cruisers. But having it and being trained with it? Like I said before not a fan of it, but I have a hard time coming up with a better solution to some of the issues going on.
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Definitely not a fan of this. Giving this stuff to local jurisdictions gives them license to use it. I don't mind SWAT having access to some more too of the line gear, but if no policies are in place to restrict it to just those circumstances.....definitely disagree with this move.
 
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Modified m16s and modified m14s, 1911s, meals and humvees. Riot gear, body armor. After Dallas last year I can understand why. But I do believe they should limit use, most search warrants I've seen use majority UC vehicles and stealth (at least here in Memphis/ Shelby county)

I know I know, y'all think "well I'm a law abiding citizen why should I worry?" Well being what the left calls a RWNJ, I don't want to see military vehicles cruising the streets, unless, there is another deadly protest turned riot where cops are outgunned and have no means of getting close to an armed psychopath with a sks dropping officers at point blank range, bring hell and fury!
Those men were protecting citizens! They will save your tail when you need them to! I've needed Leo help in the past and got it, I needed firefighters and medics and once the scene was cleared by Police they came to my aid!

I've been on a fire engine and ambulance waiting to get to a gunshot or stab victim to provide medical care, when's it's safe the police let us in!

Go ahead Bartlett buy an MRAP, doubt you would ever use it.
I've heard stories from my military friends where soldiers talk down a threat and everyone walks away unharmed,(and they had a huge language barrier and did so!) I believe they should implement more verbal strategy and learn how to talk down a threat before it gets out of control, unless they are crazy and jump out guns blazing after getting pulled over for no seatbelt or a broken tail light.

Hopefully the use of military style equipment can do some damage to the gang related violence that dominates only a few zip codes in each big city.
 
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lawgator1 said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics/police-military-gear-ban-lifted/index.html

I remember on this board just a couple of years ago people freaking out that local police might have such material. The alt right news and Fox used to insinuate that Obama was arming the police to get ready to take over the country with it.

Now? Crickets.
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This message board is obsessed with "but Obama did the same thing" (even tho they despise Obama, this somehow gives Trump a pass), but there are some here who are consistent on this one. You should have left the last sentence out. It doesn't help when you take the most fringe opinions and try to throw them in every R's face.
 
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This was one of the few things I agreed with Obama about. I don't think Trump should reverse it. No reason to unnecessarily militarize the local police force.
 
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antifa is the epitome of liberal/Marxist/fascist hypocrisy. they claim to be anti-hate and anti-fascist yet they disregard free speech by attacking those who they disagree with. they're no different than the Nazi brown shirts in WW2. antifa group are the real Nazis.
 
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n_huffhines said:
This message board is obsessed with "but Obama did the same thing" (even tho they despise Obama, this somehow gives Trump a pass), but there are some here who are consistent on this one. You should have left the last sentence out. It doesn't help when you take the most fringe opinions and try to throw them in every R's face.
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I hate it when you are all reasonable and **** and I have to like your posts.
 
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I don't have a problem with this. I think that it should be a tool that is put away until it is absolutely needed. I do think it will be needed at some point. I think terrorist will use a take over, military style attack against a school or a mall sometime in the future. I think the response will have to be military style response. Better to be prepared than not.
 
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lawgator1 said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics/police-military-gear-ban-lifted/index.html


I remember on this board just a couple of years ago people freaking out that local police might have such material. The alt right news and Fox used to insinuate that Obama was arming the police to get ready to take over the country with it.

Now? Crickets.
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Not crazy about it, but considering Antifa...they may need it to deal with them effectively. I don't recall anyone acting like Antifa during Obama's eight years. You know, clubbing people, violently shutting down free speech/rallies/assemblies, etc.
 
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volfanjustin said:
I don't remember Barry giving them military gear, I thought he took it away from them?
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He didn't curb it until the Ferguson stuff, up until then it had been business as usual.

The Bradley County SO had to turn in a bunch of M7 bayonets. I can't see any reason to have those, but lots of LE agencies just took whatever was being handed out.
 
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lawgator1 said:
http://www.cnn.com/2017/08/28/politics/police-military-gear-ban-lifted/index.html


I remember on this board just a couple of years ago people freaking out that local police might have such material. The alt right news and Fox used to insinuate that Obama was arming the police to get ready to take over the country with it.

Now? Crickets.
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Crickets? The story just broke this morning. Give the crickets at least an hour or two to get to chirping. Trust me, you won't find many civil libertarians that voted for Trump supporting this.
 
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Anybody else being directed to this thread when clicking on meme thread?
 
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If we're going to issue advanced infantry weapons to local PDs the officers are going to have to spend less time at Krispy Kreme and more time on training fields.

That's a joke, I have utmost respect for police officers. But seriously they're going to need intensive training and it won't be cheap. Their safety as well as the publics safety will be on the line.
 
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I'm not a fan of this. If the public can't have it, then the police don't need it either. Keep military gear in the military.
 
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davethevol said:
I'm not a fan of this. If the public can't have it, then the police don't need it either. Keep military gear in the military.
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Here's the thing though. Most of the stuff civilians can have. I'd say 95% (that's an arbitrary number, but probably close to accurate) of the stuff isn't what a lot of people would consider "military" gear. Tents, office equipment, clothing, individual gear, so on and so forth. The items that tend to get a bad rap are things like the armored vehicles and firearms. Of which some are certainly not needed, while others I believe could be of some benefit. Patrol rifles for example are something that most people can see the benefit to, though without the happy switch. Even DTH and Hog who question quite a few things LEO wise see this is a piece of equipment that is needed by most officers these days.

Armored vehicles? No, can't see the need for them.

I think a department should demonstrate a valid "need" for the items they are taking. For example, one of the county emergency management offices here in Oklahoma got an old ambulance they use as a "mobile clinic" for disasters and large scale events (football games for example) they pull in and have set up for mass casualty potential. Stuff with emergency supplies and whatnot. That, in my opinion, is a valid "need" for a piece of equipment that's gathering dust otherwise.
 
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