What is the logic of picking an L to Florida?

[Orange_Vol1321]

What changes? Losing nearly all your top players, a record setting oc, a 4 year tread of cbj dropping games he shouldnt, etc?

Simple logic actually.

Record setting oc replaced with a brand new oc (which i like by the way but to expect the results of a vet from a rookie is a bit silly)
Lost 80-90 of offensive production. Hopefully a vet o line helps equal that out. But top players will be playing first sec game on the road agaisnt florida, usually not good.
Worst d in history and you lose the most productive players on it. You hire what appears to be two top notch coaches on that side, but they are still working with youngsters.
Never beaten an sec west team, never beaten a will mischamp coached team, horrible record against top 25 teams.

Its not a doom and gloom. I think we go 8-4, if things go our way, be could win 9/10 but i would be suprised if that happened.

There is no logic in this post.

Last year people complaining about Debord being washed up and old school. This year you have Scott thats young, full of ideas, and with the same playbook. Can't have it both ways.

Worst D in history yet you don't acknowledge our injuries. The only one I'm worried about replacing that played every game is Barnett. Lets add in all the defensive coaches everyone wanted changed (which happened). Last years logic was our coaches on D sucked. Now we have upgraded and they will still suck? Can't have it both ways.

We are going to miss Dobbs legs and Kamara. QB passing will improve and I think Kelly and Chandler can do anything Kamara could do as a tandem. With the accuracy of QB increasing it makes the zone read of last year go from predictable to very dangerous to our opponents this year.

Going to be a good year.

GBO!

 

[volfannbama]

There is no logic in this post.

Last year people complaining about Debord being washed up and old school. This year you have Scott thats young, full of ideas, and with the same playbook. Can't have it both ways.

Worst D in history yet you don't acknowledge our injuries. The only one I'm worried about replacing that played every game is Barnett. Lets add in all the defensive coaches everyone wanted changed (which happened). Last years logic was our coaches on D sucked. Now we have upgraded and they will still suck? Can't have it both ways.

We are going to miss Dobbs legs and Kamara. QB passing will improve and I think Kelly and Chandler can do anything Kamara could do as a tandem. With the accuracy of QB increasing it makes the zone read of last year go from predictable to very dangerous to our opponents this year.

Going to be a good year.

GBO!

No logic in my post? Lol,

You are telling me that because "someone people said Debord was washed up" that i am unable to use the FACT that his offense wasnt record breaking? Lol, please explain how that works. Scott is young and full of ideas, what does that prove? He still loses 80-90% of production from last year.

Worst D in school history with injuries, sure. Can you name a game that we lost due to injuries? I cant.

The rest are simply assumptions you make with rb, qb accuracy etc, nothing to back them up. What is known is that kelly will likely be very good and we dont have a qb with mich big game experience.

 

[Power T-Rev]

No logic in my post? Lol,

You are telling me that because "someone people said Debord was washed up" that i am unable to use the FACT that his offense wasnt record breaking? Lol, please explain how that works. Scott is young and full of ideas, what does that prove? He still loses 80-90% of production from last year.

Worst D in school history with injuries, sure. Can you name a game that we lost due to injuries? I cant.

The rest are simply assumptions you make with rb, qb accuracy etc, nothing to back them up. What is known is that kelly will likely be very good and we dont have a qb with mich big game experience.

I hope you find some happiness this season. Seems like you need a hug. So much arguing with others on this board. We're all fans of the same team

 

[Orange_Vol1321]

No logic in my post? Lol,

You are telling me that because "someone people said Debord was washed up" that i am unable to use the FACT that his offense wasnt record breaking? Lol, please explain how that works. Scott is young and full of ideas, what does that prove? He still loses 80-90% of production from last year.

80 to 90%? Is this doubles in Tennis? Lol
I'm guessing you're trying to say Dobbs, Kamara, and Malone is the 90% what about TDs from Kelly, Wolfe, Jennings, Berry ect?

Worst D in school history with injuries, sure. Can you name a game that we lost due to injuries? I cant.

All I can do is LOL at this one.

The rest are simply assumptions you make with rb, qb accuracy etc, nothing to back them up. What is known is that kelly will likely be very good and we dont have a qb with mich big game experience.

Nothing to back up Qb accuracy? If they can't hit a 5 yard slant or a screen withought throwing it at their shoelaces we are in big trouble

 

[volfannbama]

I hope you find some happiness this season. Seems like you need a hug. So much arguing with others on this board. We're all fans of the same team

Funny you see it as an argument and not a discussion. And telling me i need to find some happiness is your only input, good job thanks.

 

[volfannbama]

No logic in my post? Lol,


80 to 90%? Is this doubles in Tennis? Lol
I'm guessing you're trying to say Dobbs, Kamara, and Malone is the 90% what about TDs from Kelly, Wolfe, Jennings, Berry ect?



All I can do is LOL at this one.



Nothing to back up Qb accuracy? If they can't hit a 5 yard slant or a screen withought throwing it at their shoelaces we are in big trouble

Yes, we lost most of our offensive production.

All you can do is lol, is that because you cant name a game we lost due to injury? Goid we agree cause i cant either.

For the QB accuracy, i believe Dobbs was around 60% but my point was we have nothing to prove the new qb will be anymore accurate, because we havent seen them play in a game.

 

[MikeVol44]

Everybody always complained about Debords play calling but like you said, the statistics say it was one of the best at UT. Scott has the same playbook and I'm sure has added his spin on it including more TE play.

It's still the zone read and whoever the QB will be still has the option to pull the hand off if the DE is crashing the end and take off. But, we will miss Dobbs 800+ rushing yards. On the flip side, I think our interceptions go down and passing yards go up. Basically washes out. That is if the OL can do their job. Untill I see it, I don't think Dormady has the escapability Dobbs had.

Besides OL, RB would be my only question on our offense. Kamara is hard to replace but I think Kelly and Chandler will give it a real try. Especially if they stay healthy considering Kamara did get banged up some last year.

A couple of things.....and I've posted some of these before....

1. Josh Dobbs ran himself out of trouble more times than not...He had a GREAT 2nd half against Florida to be sure....But Dobbs' athleticism was incredible...sneaky fast...and not easy to tackle...

2. We don't know how good our OL will actually be...Dobbs kept us from really noticing how bad they actually played at the end of last year...Am I to expect they have magically gotten better for 2017?

NO...I went down that dead end when Tiny and that bunch of OL were here at UT....they NEVER got better....all except Juan James...

3. I do not believe that Dormady will throw for 3,000 yards...nor do I believe that he will run for 800 yards.
We are really gonna miss Dobbs' production and ability to run out of trouble. We could really be in trouble if our OL doesn't over-achieve!

4. We will see a lot of Defenses pack 7 and 8 in the box against us to make our OL pass protect and Dormady beat us with his throwing...

5. Dobbs put up 47% of his total yardage against TTU, KY, Mizzou, Vandy, and Nebraska. Nebraska was the best defense we played...of that bunch...and was ranked at 30th (ranked by yards per game given up)...

The point is....Almost 50% of our offensive production came against these teams who had the WORST DEFENSES...

TTU--not even ranked
KY--85
Mizzou--118
Vandy--64
Nebraska--30

Our offensive statistics look better because we played horrible defenses coming down the stretch...and we had to keep scoring just to win those games because our own defense was pathetic.

So--we really weren't as good on offense as some seem to believe. I mentioned that we had a high rated offense statistically...but never said that we had a good offense--there is a difference.

And that was with Dobbs and Kamara taking the lion's share of the burden....

Defensive teams had to plan to defend Dobbs last year...and they won't have to do that this year...neither Dormady nor Guarantano will be as good running the ball in 2017 as Dobbs was in 2016...IMO...

6. We better have a very good Defense in 2017 to win games--we are gonna need it. We ended up ranked 95th in the NCAA when all was said and done.

We will need to approach being ranked in the top 40 of Defenses to have a prayer of making 8-4.


Ultimately, it's all a matter of opinion. I expect that 99% of Volnation will disagree with my reasoning....and I honestly don't expect them to agree.

I'm just offering information to support my opinions...never said that anyone had to agree with me...

GO VOLS! Here's hoping in a miracle for 2017...:salute:

 

[Other_Guy]

Worst D in school history with injuries, sure. Can you name a game that we lost due to injuries? I cant.

You didn't watch the A&M game, did you? Shame. It was a great one.

 

[MikeVol44]

Okay, so you're crazy?

Yes, you have my confession....but did you notice that I said the ONLY REASON I give for being crazy is that I'm a VOL FAN...who expects to beat Fla in Gainesville..

That is sufficient evidence for a differential diagnosis...:hi:

 

[Behr]

Yes, you have my confession....but did you notice that I said the ONLY REASON I give for being crazy if that I'm a VOL FAN...who expects to beat Fla in Gainesville..

That is sufficient evidence for a differential diagnosis...:hi:

Obviously.

:salute::salute:

 

[46yrvol]

I'm getting a little tired of the bemoaning over the lose of key players in a doom and gloom format. It's college football where rejuvenation is what it all depends on. Plus the difference on the 17 offense will be as much chemistry as it will be personnel.

The fact that Dobbs was 66% of the offense was not a positive thing, there I said it. Last season's offense lived and died on the improvisation of it's QB. It wasn't conducive to allowing may of the high 4 star athletes you have standing on the sidelines to succeed. So you graduated three players off your offense and we're done for. That's a sad perception.

To exemplify what I'm saying, just look at the difference between Lamar Jackson and DeShaun Watson. Lamar Jackson was spectacular and all but in the end he wins a hiesman trophy by being eye candy. His team's offensive prowess became less and less as it became apparent that they had a one man offense. They finish 9-4, only scoring 9 points in their bowl game. Watson on the other hand was determined to be QB first and who ever he had as play makers, he was going to use them. He didn't even like the dual threat label. He leads his team to a national title and guess who gets to put the nail in the evil empire's coffin? The scrawny little white boy, home town hero, feel good story, Hunter Renfro.

The point is that, some times when you have a dominate personality on offense, it's not always conducive getting all your play makers in the game. I'm not big on predictions, but I'll throw this one out there. If we have significant improvement from o-line as I suspect, QB's vastly improve ball distribution as I also suspect, then Vol fans are going to find out that they have a lot more play makers than they thought.

 

[Behr]

You didn't watch the A&M game, did you? Shame. It was a great one.

IMHO, the offensive turnovers were the biggest reason we lost that game.

 

[99gator]

I'm getting a little tired of the bemoaning over the lose of key players in a doom and gloom format. It's college football where rejuvenation is what it all depends on. Plus the difference on the 17 offense will be as much chemistry as it will be personnel.

The fact that Dobbs was 66% of the offense was not a positive thing, there I said it. Last season's offense lived and died on the improvisation of it's QB. It wasn't conducive to allowing may of the high 4 star athletes you have standing on the sidelines to succeed. So you graduated three players off your offense and we're done for. That's a sad perception.

To exemplify what I'm saying, just look at the difference between Lamar Jackson and DeShaun Watson. Lamar Jackson was spectacular and all but in the end he wins a hiesman trophy by being eye candy. His team's offensive prowess became less and less as it became apparent that they had a one man offense. They finish 9-4, only scoring 9 points in their bowl game. Watson on the other hand was determined to be QB first and who ever he had as play makers, he was going to use them. He didn't even like the dual threat label. He leads his team to a national title and guess who gets to put the nail in the evil empire's coffin? The scrawny little white boy, home town hero, feel good story, Hunter Renfro.

The point is that, some times when you have a dominate personality on offense, it's not always conducive getting all your play makers in the game. I'm not big on predictions, but I'll throw this one out there. If we have significant improvement from o-line as I suspect, QB's vastly improve ball distribution as I also suspect, then Vol fans are going to find out that they have a lot more play makers than they thought.

There a couple of things....

1. The Tennessee offense had a boat load of weapons, so it wasn't a one man show.

2. Dobbs unique skill set puts a particular type of pressure on a defense.

Now, I don't want to be misunderstood here. I don't know (none of us do) whether Tennessee will be better, worse, whatever offensively.

We do know they will be different. And just as they will attack differently, they will be defended differently. Having a dude that can run for a 70 yard TD as easily as he could throw it, changes what you do.

And it's an adjust for everyone, particularly the offensive line.

 

[46yrvol]

There a couple of things....

1. The Tennessee offense had a boat load of weapons, so it wasn't a one man show.

2. Dobbs unique skill set puts a particular type of pressure on a defense.

Now, I don't want to be misunderstood here. I don't know (none of us do) whether Tennessee will be better, worse, whatever offensively.

We do know they will be different. And just as they will attack differently, they will be defended differently. Having a dude that can run for a 70 yard TD as easily as he could throw it, changes what you do.

And it's an adjust for everyone, particularly the offensive line.

You wouldn't think that there were a boat load of offensive weapons if we truly lost 90% of our offense by losing three players. The point is they were not used.

The rest of you point is accurate. The success or failure of this offense will be directly proportional to it's ability to change to fit it's chemistry.

 

[volfannbama]

You didn't watch the A&M game, did you? Shame. It was a great one.

Thats the only game i would consider we lost due to injury, but its difficult because we went toe to toe and still had a chance to win. Having Hurd out helped. JRM and Sutton and OBrien late could have been the difference.

However, if we dont turn the ball pver so many times, we still win.

But then it goes back to, if we finish 10-2 last season, not many people are complaining right now.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

You didn't watch the A&M game, did you? Shame. It was a great one.

Any game after Alabama we lost was cnaused by injuries to the defense. Enough points were scored to beat both USCe nand Vandy if the defense had been healthy. UK and Mizzu would have been 25-30 point wins.

Dobbs played and saved some games with his running. However, his passing game down field was less than spactular. The Hail Mary was a speculative catch by JJ when he took it away from 4-5 defenders. Many passes were over or under thrown an,d very few were thrown in stride so that yards after the catch were not what they should have been.

Dobbs has struggled in the preseason NFL and his play has been similar to last season except for the runs. Both/either of the QBs this year will be better passers and produce similar points because the defense will be much better during the last 6 games because of fewer injuries and deeper hand better depth. I expect an SEC title run next year.

 

[VOLINVONORE]

I'm getting a little tired of the bemoaning over the lose of key players in a doom and gloom format. It's college football where rejuvenation is what it all depends on. Plus the difference on the 17 offense will be as much chemistry as it will be personnel.

The fact that Dobbs was 66% of the offense was not a positive thing, there I said it. Last season's offense lived and died on the improvisation of it's QB. It wasn't conducive to allowing may of the high 4 star athletes you have standing on the sidelines to succeed. So you graduated three players off your offense and we're done for. That's a sad perception.

To exemplify what I'm saying, just look at the difference between Lamar Jackson and DeShaun Watson. Lamar Jackson was spectacular and all but in the end he wins a hiesman trophy by being eye candy. His team's offensive prowess became less and less as it became apparent that they had a one man offense. They finish 9-4, only scoring 9 points in their bowl game. Watson on the other hand was determined to be QB first and who ever he had as play makers, he was going to use them. He didn't even like the dual threat label. He leads his team to a national title and guess who gets to put the nail in the evil empire's coffin? The scrawny little white boy, home town hero, feel good story, Hunter Renfro.

The point is that, some times when you have a dominate personality on offense, it's not always conducive getting all your play makers in the game. I'm not big on predictions, but I'll throw this one out there. If we have significant improvement from o-line as I suspect, QB's vastly improve ball distribution as I also suspect, then Vol fans are going to find out that they have a lot more play makers than they thought.

I know most people realize that when injuries remove player to that point that second team DEs are starting at DT, that defensive backs and safeties were have to play with little or very limited experience results in defensive problems which have little or no chance of being solved in the short time. Therefore, those who know anything about football are more than tired of hearing or reading your uneducated crap. Have a good day.

 

[volfannbama]

Any game after Alabama we lost was cnaused by injuries to the defense. Enough points were scored to beat both USCe nand Vandy if the defense had been healthy. UK and Mizzu would have been 25-30 point wins.

Dobbs played and saved some games with his running. However, his passing game down field was less than spactular. The Hail Mary was a speculative catch by JJ when he took it away from 4-5 defenders. Many passes were over or under thrown an,d very few were thrown in stride so that yards after the catch were not what they should have been.

Dobbs has struggled in the preseason NFL and his play has been similar to last season except for the runs. Both/either of the QBs this year will be better passers and produce similar points because the defense will be much better during the last 6 games because of fewer injuries and deeper hand better depth. I expect an SEC title run next year.

Can you name a person that played for USC or Vandy that would play over the player that played for Tennessee during the game?

Ill start...

1. Zac Cunningham
2.

 

[volfannbama]

I know most people realize that when injuries remove player to that point that second team DEs are starting at DT, that defensive backs and safeties were have to play with little or very limited experience results in defensive problems which have little or no chance of being solved in the short time. Therefore, those who know anything about football are more than tired of hearing or reading your uneducated crap. Have a good day.

So what you are saying is after 4 year, CBJ hasnt either assmebled or developed a team passed the starting 22 that can beat two 5 win sec teams?

 

[BeardedVol]

Any game after Alabama we lost was cnaused by injuries to the defense. Enough points were scored to beat both USCe nand Vandy if the defense had been healthy. UK and Mizzu would have been 25-30 point wins.

Dobbs played and saved some games with his running. However, his passing game down field was less than spactular. The Hail Mary was a speculative catch by JJ when he took it away from 4-5 defenders. Many passes were over or under thrown an,d very few were thrown in stride so that yards after the catch were not what they should have been.

Dobbs has struggled in the preseason NFL and his play has been similar to last season except for the runs. Both/either of the QBs this year will be better passers and produce similar points because the defense will be much better during the last 6 games because of fewer injuries and deeper hand better depth. I expect an SEC title run next year.

Dobbs had a QB rating of 12.5 against USCe, and Derek Mason's half time adjustments held our offense to 3 points in the second half. Injuries on defense had very little to do with either of those losses.

 

[K-town Vol Fan]

So what you are saying is after 4 year, CBJ hasnt either assmebled or developed a team passed the starting 22 that can beat two 5 win sec teams?

You're understanding the dumpster fire CBJ took over. He basically had to build this team from scratch. Nobody wanted to come to UT. Look at our players we had drafted to the NFL. Very few and far between. Last year we had good pieces but still didnt have the depth we needed. Very little experience behind our starters. This year will be our deepest team in over a decade. I think we win 10 games this year.

 

[chargervol]

Can you name a person that played for USC or Vandy that would play over the player that played for Tennessee during the game?

Ill start...

1. Zac Cunningham
2.

Our players are more talented, no doubt. But when you are throwing every position in there differently almost weekly, down to your second and third string, no consistency or adaptation to playing with one another, all under a new defensive coordinator? Yeah, it has an effect.


BeardedVol, South Carolina beat Vandy by scoring 13 points.
Florida beat Vanderbilt by scoring 13 points.
Georgia beat Vanderbilt by scoring 16 points.
As a matter of fact, we are the only team to score over 30 points on them and lose the game. I think the defensive issue is pretty obvious to anybody not intentionally ignoring it.
No matter how bad we played in the second half, yes, we did score enough to beat them.

 

[volfannbama]

Our players are more talented, no doubt. But when you are throwing every position in there differently almost weekly, down to your second and third string, no consistency or adaptation to playing with one another, all under a new defensive coordinator? Yeah, it has an effect.


BeardedVol, South Carolina beat Vandy by scoring 13 points.
Florida beat Vanderbilt by scoring 13 points.
Georgia beat Vanderbilt by scoring 16 points.
As a matter of fact, we are the only team to score over 30 points on them and lose the game. I think the defensive issue is pretty obvious to anybody not intentionally ignoring it.
No matter how bad we played in the second half, yes, we did score enough to beat them.

Yeah of course it will have an effect. A good coach still figures it out. CBJ tends to be on the other side of that.

 

[BeardedVol]

Our players are more talented, no doubt. But when you are throwing every position in there differently almost weekly, down to your second and third string, no consistency or adaptation to playing with one another, all under a new defensive coordinator? Yeah, it has an effect.


BeardedVol, South Carolina beat Vandy by scoring 13 points.
Florida beat Vanderbilt by scoring 13 points.
Georgia beat Vanderbilt by scoring 16 points.
As a matter of fact, we are the only team to score over 30 points on them and lose the game. I think the defensive issue is pretty obvious to anybody not intentionally ignoring it.
No matter how bad we played in the second half, yes, we did score enough to beat them.

Did we shorten football games by two quarters in 2016? Please do explain to me how defensive injuries caused our offense to be held to 3 points in the second half.

 

[chargervol]

Did we shorten football games by two quarters in 2016? Please do explain to me how defensive injuries caused our offense to be held to 3 points in the second half.

Love how you always try to shift the discussion. You're the one who said defense had very little to do with that game. Yes, if our offense had performed better in the second half we also could have won. But the game should have been over at 34 points on Vandy period!
That is far from very little.